DOW Chemical Tank
Greg Udolph
Guys,
Due with issues of liability I cannot put the picture of the Dow tank I want to do on the board. I understand the concern so it will not be on there. I can send the picture to individuals via their private email address if they are willing to help me out. The car I want to model is the 10000gal I believe and I would really like to get as much info on it or at least hints on the proper people to talk to to get the info. The car I want to put it on is full size. It used to be a UTLX car but we already have one painted on the property and due to the fact that we are somewhat sticking to a Michigan theme I thought Dow would be a logical place to go. If you can help please email me at gudolph@... . Thank you for your time. Keep Steaming, Greg Udolph Chief Mechanical Officer Steam Railroading Institute Owosso, MI gudolph@... 419-606-6532 - I am the thoroughbred of steam. Born to run, born to be free... Forgive them lord, they know not what they do. - 12/07/94
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Re: Intermountain email
jasonkliewer3@...
Call them instead. I've talked to someone each time I've called and usually passed along to the exact person I needed to answer my question.
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Jason Kliewer Phoenix, AZ ---- richtownsend@... wrote:
I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@... and mail@....?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain's website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?
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Intermountain email
Richard Townsend
I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@... and mail@....?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain's website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?
Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon
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Hello From Down Under,
alwync1
Hi Folks,
I just want to introduce myself. I am from Warwick, Australia and heard about this list from a friend. His indications were that if I wanted to know anything about steam, steam operations and freight cars that were around in the steam period in the US this was the group to be in. I model the late great PRR exclusively in N Scale and through some of the other groups I am in my interest has now turned from modelling diesels to steam. The Shark Nose fleet of the PRR will always be near and dear to me but with the advent of such an array of steam loco models now in the market place steam modelling is becoming a reality. I look forard to the information that comes from groups such as this. I do not know what my input will be but I hope to be as active as possible. All the best for now and I look forward to meeting you all in the message column. Regards Al Cutmore SPSNF
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Re: COAL TRAFFIC
rwitt_2000
Bruce Smith replied:
to But the traffic data determines how the coal got to Buffalo. The steelmodel within the era Ive listed(51-56)...Joel, mill requires a certain type of coal, a limited number of mines may be able to provide it and that determines originating railroads for that coal. Traffic patterns and interchange locations determine the usual route for the coal to travel from the mine to the mill. For modeling PRR hoppers don't forget "PennsylvaniaRailroad Steel Open Hopper Cars" by John Teichmoeller. It is out-of-print, but it is still available from used book dealers. Bob Witt
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Re: RES: FW: Andy Sperandeo
rfederle@...
Somehow I missed this. I too wish Andy a speedy recovery. He will be in my Prayers and thoughts.
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Andy's positive outlook will also do wonders for his recovery. Thats the spirit, keep your chin up. Robert Federle ---- Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...> wrote:
Andy,
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RES: FW: Andy Sperandeo
Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
Andy,
A friend of mine underwent this kind of surgery 15 years ago and is pretty well. All my best Marcelo Lordeiro www.mrcustom.com.br trens@... Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758 _____ De: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Em nome de timboconnor@... Enviada em: segunda-feira, 4 de agosto de 2008 15:54 Para: stmfc@... Assunto: [STMFC] FW: Andy Sperandeo Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery. Tim O'Connor *Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 08:09
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FW: Andy Sperandeo
Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most
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of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery. Tim O'Connor
*Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:*
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Re: COAL TRAFFIC
On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:16 AM, joel norman wrote:
GENTLEMAN:Joel, It might be easier to list the ones you would not be likely to see... For example, western roads like UP, AT&SF, CB&Q would be unlikely. PA roads like P&LE would be fairly common. I also see a fair number of B&O and Reading hoppers, but very few N&W and C&O. The "Bob Charles" collection had a CofG hopper in Harrisburg, along with at least 15 other foreign roads. There are also some great yard shots in books by Don Ball and others - look and see what it there. As for models, the archives of this list, plus a membership to the RPI website (at $5/month) are invaluable tools to determine appropriate models. When focusing on particular roads, you can find fleet type articles, such as Ben Hom's series on B&O hoppers in the B&O Modeler. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: More on PFE R-30-16 rebuilds
Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:10 PM, smithbf36832 wrote:
So I have to ask <G> - if the Tichy car is an R-40-2/4 and we're Bruce, the 40 ton built-up underframe was essentially of the same design as the 30 ton built up underframe, but slightly larger and heavier. The difference is small enough to be negligible in HO scale, so IMHO the Tichy underframe is acceptable to model both (unless, of course, you're obsessive-compulsive). Richard Hendrickson
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Re: SHPX Tank Car Lettering
Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:56 PM, umtrr wrote:
Micro-Trains has just reprinted its N Scale single dome tank car Shippers Car Line began dropping the "SHIPPERS CAR LINE" lettering above the reporting marks and numbers (but not the lines above and below) in the late 1940s and early 1950s, but did so inconsistently; cars with additional stenciling for long term lessees did not have it, but some cars in general SHPX service had it and some did not. Both "SHIPPERS CAR LINE" and lines disappeared entirely after about mid-1954 on both new and repainted cars, though many (increasingly dirty) cars remained in service through the 1950s and even into the 1960s with the earlier style lettering. Richard Hendrickson
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COAL TRAFFIC
joel norman <mec-bml@...>
GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal for the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would have moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars in HO? Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for the question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper to model within the era Ive listed(51-56)... Thanks Joel Norman Atlantic & Lake Ontario Rly(dba-Eastern Maine Rly Brooklyn Terminal Rly)
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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars
water.kresse@...
In 1948, ALCOA had surplus aluminum sheet made for aircraft that they wanted to sell. They might have clad the aluminum with pure-aluminum, but that was it. This was 6XXX series aluminum and not 5XXX series marine aluminum. In use pix of these cars (C&O anyway) showed that they were very dull and stained. Markings would have been hard to read.
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The C&Os Office of Research and Design/Development (Cleveland Towers) was headed by an aeronautical engineer Ken Browne) and his number two person was a Degree of Engineering Engineering Sciences and Aeronautical Engineering graduate from the U of Michigan (Sergi Guins). NASA also had a research center in Cleveland near the C&Os advanced offices . . . . in addition ALCOA having local facilities. The sheets for the C&O aluminum FCs came from out in Iowa. General Motors also got "deals" to utilize the aluminum industry's excess WW2 casting facilities. Al Kresse
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From: "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lucas I've been thinking about this, and you have made a good point. I would have to wonder if the aluminum sheathing would have been somewhat dulled, and perhaps even showing the effects of galvanic action where steel fasteners were attached to the aluminum sheathing. ----- Original Message ----- By WW II it was already known that a sealant had to be applied between steel and aluminum components (and between some different types of aluminum) to prevent corrosion. From what I've seen a number of these aluminum cars were sponsored by the aluminum companies themselves, so I'm sure that every "trick" available to make the cars last would've been applied - perhaps even anodizing. KL
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Re: Digest Number 5322
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Justin Kahn wrote:
Jace, Berwind did have both GLC and GLCA cars. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars
Jerry <jrs060@...>
Steve, the only time that I have ever seen one of the cars in service
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was behind a GTW 4-8-4 trying to hold down to the 60 MPH speed limit over the Wabash crossing at Ashburn, Illinois. It was an Alton car still with the red lettering, first out behind the engine, on what had to be first 490 on a hot early 1950s Summer evening. What I can tell you about the car in the fleeting glimpse that I got of it was it was very dirty! All grimed up with soot, nothing was at all shinny about it, so dull and dirty you could hardly see the lettering and triangular herald. I really think that you would be wasting your time and effort trying to make any model of an aluminum box car look shinny and clean in service. That is unless you are modeling the car brand new. Happiness, Jerry Stewart Woodstock, Illinois
--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:
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Re: MP Alternate ARA SS cars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Thanks Ed. I forgot about this article.
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Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] MP Alternate ARA SS cars
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Re: MP Alternate ARA SS cars
Ed Hawkins
On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:
I working on a roster of MP boxcars for my layout today. I'mBrian, I spelled out this information in my article in RP CYC #14 to the extent that available information would allow. Each series is shown in the roster with the type of ends specified. ORER data is also specified to show how the all-steel rebuilt XM and XME cars were phased in while the original SS cars were phased out. Use the numbers for the date that most closely fits your period of interest. I also indicated on page 34 which series of cars could be accurately modeled using Sunshine's kits. Any series that are not listed on page 34 had ends that were unique to one group, and Sunshine chose not to offer ends that were less commonly used (such as the 42000-series steel rebuilds having 5/2/6 Murphy ends). Does the information contained in the article not provide what you are looking for? Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Berwind Coal
Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
Shorter URL:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Central%20Vermont%20Local%20Freight/Willi1notes.jpg> Richard
At 01:58 PM 8/3/2008, cvsne wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:There's a picture of a Central Vermont wayfreight in the STMFC list Files section that shows a
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Re: Berwind Coal
cvsne <cvsne@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
There's a picture of a Central Vermont wayfreight in the STMFC list Files section that shows a Berwind hopper on a CV local in Willimantic, Connecticut. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QA6WSIkhqGoUNGiO9jp2Mr- 21wKuO1fFBpGonLQK7aOOQXYKOlbMPHcuJZQXTrk5UhyuQctvj6hpphHt61Ya8ymTbQ/Central %20Vermont%20Local%20Freight/Willi1notes.jpg Marty
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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Charlie Morrill wrote:
I wonder how much the invention of the aluminum beer and soda pop can short circuited the aluminum industry's need to promote aluminum railroad cars.Not a lot, Charlie. There weren't significant numbers of aluminum beverage cans until after 1960, which was QUITE a while after the immediate post-WW II era. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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