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Re: COAL TRAFFIC
NicholasF
Dear Joel,
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This may be a document you'll find useful. It is available from the B&O Railroad Historical Society company store at http://www.borhs.org: Item # 72055: B&O Officers Inspection Trains. Buffalo Division. Approx 162 pages of very detailed data prepared for B&O officers inpsection trip of the B&O for trips in 1953, 1954 and 1955. Employee statistics and safety data. Page of fuel usage on Buffalo Div on given dates. List of cities served, population and revenue per city. Season tonnages for 8 years running at Charlotte and DL&W docks. Income/Expense statement for Charlotte Dock Company for 1950-51-52. Comparison of B&O tonnages on Lake Ontario vs PRR, NYC and DL&W docks. Details of lease agreements for facilities. List of mines and carloadings of coal & coke. Coal tonnages billed at Cloe scales for 7 years, by month. Dates of miner's strikes and vacation outages for 1946-52. Special moves of coal and coke on Indiana Sub with PRR. Motive power forces by location. Quantities of freight cars held for heavy or reconditioning at 4 locations on Buffalo Div. Description of the line with details of construction, ties, rail, switches, facilities, equipment. List of improvements with AFE numbers; costs, number of new crossties and tons on new rail laid; track workforce listing. of engines assigned, by class, steam & diesel, for Buffalo Div. Tonnage ratings by engine type, to include tonnage adjustments in tons per car depending on air temperatures. List of engine numbers assigned by location for freight & passenger. These types of data are represented for the various trip dates, enabling the reader to see changes on the Buffalo Division during these years. Take Care -Nick Fry Archivist Director at Large B&O Railroad Historical Society http://www.borhs.org
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Re: COAL TRAFFIC
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY) Coal for the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/ Ohio/Ky)would have moved in whose coal cars other then PRR ============ PRR was not at all dominant in Buffalo. The largest line connecting the bituminous coal fields with Buffalo was the NYC. It was a secondary main line point for PRR, ERIE and B&O. Although also served by coal roads LV and DL&W, they did not handle much, if any, bituminous. The nearest large coal area to Buffalo was the Clearfield district. It was served primarily by NYC and PRR. ERIE and B&O also had a few lines in that area and served mines further west in PA. NYC might also have handled P&LE coal from the Monongahela River area, but that's rather a long haul and it wouldn't make much sense cost wise to send coal from there to Buffalo when that area is so close to the Pittsburgh and Youngstown mills and Clearfield is much closer to Buffalo. It would be interesting to know if there was a significan volume from the P&LE to Buffalo. Now to get to the marks of cars. IT depends to a great extent on the origin road. From NYC origins it would be mostly NYC (my guess 70 to 90 %) with s fair number of PRR cars (guess 10 to 20 %), lesser number of B&O and ERIE and random cars from any other NE road. From PRR origins, roughly same picture substituting NYC and PRR marks. I've no idea what the ERIE and B&O car supply situation was like. From P&LE mines it would have been almost all P&LE cars. P&LE was one of the very few railroads in the northeast that was wealthy enough to own enough cars to load mostly its own. Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383 New England Rail Shipper Directories 19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478
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Re: Intermountain email
John F. Cizmar
Richard,
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The e-mail address I have used in the past is: intermountain@... Jerry Harkness was the respondent. John F. Cizmar
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From: richtownsend@... <richtownsend@...> Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain email To: STMFC@... Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:57 PM I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@ intermountain- railway.com and mail@intermountain- railway.com.?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain' s website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions? Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Atlas O scale 40' box cars
Andrew Martin <groups@...>
Hi all;
I have searched the archives using the above text string and parts thereof without any luck in finding more detail about the prototypes these cars were modelled on. I have 11 of these cars sitting about at home and wanted to get information on them to allow me to finish the cars in authentic schemes. Would anyone be able to help me out on this. It is my belief that one of the models is very close to an X29 prototype, but I would like some assistance to determine if this is the case or not. Yours sincerely Andrew Martin Melbourne, Australia
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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars
Adam & Laura Eyring <eyrings06@...>
Though I can't vouch for its accuracy, Athearn did produce an HO Alton silver box car with red lettering at one point. Now Athearn produces a silver express box in two numbers with black lettering.
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From: "Jerry" <jrs060@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars Steve, the only time that I have ever seen one of the cars in service
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DOW Chemical Tank
Greg Udolph
Guys,
Due with issues of liability I cannot put the picture of the Dow tank I want to do on the board. I understand the concern so it will not be on there. I can send the picture to individuals via their private email address if they are willing to help me out. The car I want to model is the 10000gal I believe and I would really like to get as much info on it or at least hints on the proper people to talk to to get the info. The car I want to put it on is full size. It used to be a UTLX car but we already have one painted on the property and due to the fact that we are somewhat sticking to a Michigan theme I thought Dow would be a logical place to go. If you can help please email me at gudolph@... . Thank you for your time. Keep Steaming, Greg Udolph Chief Mechanical Officer Steam Railroading Institute Owosso, MI gudolph@... 419-606-6532 - I am the thoroughbred of steam. Born to run, born to be free... Forgive them lord, they know not what they do. - 12/07/94
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Re: Intermountain email
jasonkliewer3@...
Call them instead. I've talked to someone each time I've called and usually passed along to the exact person I needed to answer my question.
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Jason Kliewer Phoenix, AZ ---- richtownsend@... wrote:
I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@... and mail@....?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain's website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?
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Intermountain email
Richard Townsend
I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@... and mail@....?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain's website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?
Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon
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Hello From Down Under,
alwync1
Hi Folks,
I just want to introduce myself. I am from Warwick, Australia and heard about this list from a friend. His indications were that if I wanted to know anything about steam, steam operations and freight cars that were around in the steam period in the US this was the group to be in. I model the late great PRR exclusively in N Scale and through some of the other groups I am in my interest has now turned from modelling diesels to steam. The Shark Nose fleet of the PRR will always be near and dear to me but with the advent of such an array of steam loco models now in the market place steam modelling is becoming a reality. I look forard to the information that comes from groups such as this. I do not know what my input will be but I hope to be as active as possible. All the best for now and I look forward to meeting you all in the message column. Regards Al Cutmore SPSNF
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Re: COAL TRAFFIC
rwitt_2000
Bruce Smith replied:
to But the traffic data determines how the coal got to Buffalo. The steelmodel within the era Ive listed(51-56)...Joel, mill requires a certain type of coal, a limited number of mines may be able to provide it and that determines originating railroads for that coal. Traffic patterns and interchange locations determine the usual route for the coal to travel from the mine to the mill. For modeling PRR hoppers don't forget "PennsylvaniaRailroad Steel Open Hopper Cars" by John Teichmoeller. It is out-of-print, but it is still available from used book dealers. Bob Witt
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Re: RES: FW: Andy Sperandeo
rfederle@...
Somehow I missed this. I too wish Andy a speedy recovery. He will be in my Prayers and thoughts.
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Andy's positive outlook will also do wonders for his recovery. Thats the spirit, keep your chin up. Robert Federle ---- Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...> wrote:
Andy,
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RES: FW: Andy Sperandeo
Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
Andy,
A friend of mine underwent this kind of surgery 15 years ago and is pretty well. All my best Marcelo Lordeiro www.mrcustom.com.br trens@... Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758 _____ De: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Em nome de timboconnor@... Enviada em: segunda-feira, 4 de agosto de 2008 15:54 Para: stmfc@... Assunto: [STMFC] FW: Andy Sperandeo Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery. Tim O'Connor *Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1590 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 08:09
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FW: Andy Sperandeo
Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most
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of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery. Tim O'Connor
*Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:*
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Re: COAL TRAFFIC
On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:16 AM, joel norman wrote:
GENTLEMAN:Joel, It might be easier to list the ones you would not be likely to see... For example, western roads like UP, AT&SF, CB&Q would be unlikely. PA roads like P&LE would be fairly common. I also see a fair number of B&O and Reading hoppers, but very few N&W and C&O. The "Bob Charles" collection had a CofG hopper in Harrisburg, along with at least 15 other foreign roads. There are also some great yard shots in books by Don Ball and others - look and see what it there. As for models, the archives of this list, plus a membership to the RPI website (at $5/month) are invaluable tools to determine appropriate models. When focusing on particular roads, you can find fleet type articles, such as Ben Hom's series on B&O hoppers in the B&O Modeler. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: More on PFE R-30-16 rebuilds
Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:10 PM, smithbf36832 wrote:
So I have to ask <G> - if the Tichy car is an R-40-2/4 and we're Bruce, the 40 ton built-up underframe was essentially of the same design as the 30 ton built up underframe, but slightly larger and heavier. The difference is small enough to be negligible in HO scale, so IMHO the Tichy underframe is acceptable to model both (unless, of course, you're obsessive-compulsive). Richard Hendrickson
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Re: SHPX Tank Car Lettering
Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:56 PM, umtrr wrote:
Micro-Trains has just reprinted its N Scale single dome tank car Shippers Car Line began dropping the "SHIPPERS CAR LINE" lettering above the reporting marks and numbers (but not the lines above and below) in the late 1940s and early 1950s, but did so inconsistently; cars with additional stenciling for long term lessees did not have it, but some cars in general SHPX service had it and some did not. Both "SHIPPERS CAR LINE" and lines disappeared entirely after about mid-1954 on both new and repainted cars, though many (increasingly dirty) cars remained in service through the 1950s and even into the 1960s with the earlier style lettering. Richard Hendrickson
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COAL TRAFFIC
joel norman <mec-bml@...>
GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal for the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would have moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars in HO? Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for the question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper to model within the era Ive listed(51-56)... Thanks Joel Norman Atlantic & Lake Ontario Rly(dba-Eastern Maine Rly Brooklyn Terminal Rly)
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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars
water.kresse@...
In 1948, ALCOA had surplus aluminum sheet made for aircraft that they wanted to sell. They might have clad the aluminum with pure-aluminum, but that was it. This was 6XXX series aluminum and not 5XXX series marine aluminum. In use pix of these cars (C&O anyway) showed that they were very dull and stained. Markings would have been hard to read.
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The C&Os Office of Research and Design/Development (Cleveland Towers) was headed by an aeronautical engineer Ken Browne) and his number two person was a Degree of Engineering Engineering Sciences and Aeronautical Engineering graduate from the U of Michigan (Sergi Guins). NASA also had a research center in Cleveland near the C&Os advanced offices . . . . in addition ALCOA having local facilities. The sheets for the C&O aluminum FCs came from out in Iowa. General Motors also got "deals" to utilize the aluminum industry's excess WW2 casting facilities. Al Kresse
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From: "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lucas I've been thinking about this, and you have made a good point. I would have to wonder if the aluminum sheathing would have been somewhat dulled, and perhaps even showing the effects of galvanic action where steel fasteners were attached to the aluminum sheathing. ----- Original Message ----- By WW II it was already known that a sealant had to be applied between steel and aluminum components (and between some different types of aluminum) to prevent corrosion. From what I've seen a number of these aluminum cars were sponsored by the aluminum companies themselves, so I'm sure that every "trick" available to make the cars last would've been applied - perhaps even anodizing. KL
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Re: Digest Number 5322
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Justin Kahn wrote:
Jace, Berwind did have both GLC and GLCA cars. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars
Jerry <jrs060@...>
Steve, the only time that I have ever seen one of the cars in service
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was behind a GTW 4-8-4 trying to hold down to the 60 MPH speed limit over the Wabash crossing at Ashburn, Illinois. It was an Alton car still with the red lettering, first out behind the engine, on what had to be first 490 on a hot early 1950s Summer evening. What I can tell you about the car in the fleeting glimpse that I got of it was it was very dirty! All grimed up with soot, nothing was at all shinny about it, so dull and dirty you could hardly see the lettering and triangular herald. I really think that you would be wasting your time and effort trying to make any model of an aluminum box car look shinny and clean in service. That is unless you are modeling the car brand new. Happiness, Jerry Stewart Woodstock, Illinois
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