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Re: COAL TRAFFIC

NicholasF
 

Dear Joel,

This may be a document you'll find useful. It is available from the
B&O Railroad Historical Society company store at http://www.borhs.org:

Item # 72055: B&O Officers Inspection Trains. Buffalo Division. Approx
162 pages of very detailed data prepared for B&O officers inpsection
trip of the B&O for trips in 1953, 1954 and 1955. Employee statistics
and safety data. Page of fuel usage on Buffalo Div on given dates.
List of cities served, population and revenue per city. Season
tonnages for 8 years running at Charlotte and DL&W docks.
Income/Expense statement for Charlotte Dock Company for 1950-51-52.
Comparison of B&O tonnages on Lake Ontario vs PRR, NYC and DL&W docks.
Details of lease agreements for facilities. List of mines and
carloadings of coal & coke. Coal tonnages billed at Cloe scales for 7
years, by month. Dates of miner's strikes and vacation outages for
1946-52. Special moves of coal and coke on Indiana Sub with PRR.
Motive power forces by location. Quantities of freight cars held for
heavy or reconditioning at 4 locations on Buffalo Div. Description of
the line with details of construction, ties, rail, switches,
facilities, equipment. List of improvements with AFE numbers; costs,
number of new crossties and tons on new rail laid; track workforce
listing. of engines assigned, by class, steam & diesel, for Buffalo
Div. Tonnage ratings by engine type, to include tonnage adjustments in
tons per car depending on air temperatures. List of engine numbers
assigned by location for freight & passenger. These types of data are
represented for the various trip dates, enabling the reader to see
changes on the Buffalo Division during these years.

Take Care
-Nick Fry
Archivist
Director at Large
B&O Railroad Historical Society
http://www.borhs.org

--- In STMFC@..., "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal for
the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would have
moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars in HO?
Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for the
question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper
sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper to
model within the era Ive listed(51-56)...
Thanks
Joel Norman Atlantic & Lake Ontario Rly(dba-Eastern Maine Rly
Brooklyn Terminal Rly)


Re: COAL TRAFFIC

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY) Coal for
the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/ Ohio/Ky)would have
moved in whose coal cars other then PRR
============

PRR was not at all dominant in Buffalo. The largest line connecting the bituminous coal fields with Buffalo was the NYC. It was a secondary main line point for PRR, ERIE and B&O. Although also served by coal roads LV and DL&W, they did not handle much, if any, bituminous.

The nearest large coal area to Buffalo was the Clearfield district. It was served primarily by NYC and PRR. ERIE and B&O also had a few lines in that area and served mines further west in PA.

NYC might also have handled P&LE coal from the Monongahela River area, but that's rather a long haul and it wouldn't make much sense cost wise to send coal from there to Buffalo when that area is so close to the Pittsburgh and Youngstown mills and Clearfield is much closer to Buffalo. It would be interesting to know if there was a significan volume from the P&LE to Buffalo.

Now to get to the marks of cars. IT depends to a great extent on the origin road. From NYC origins it would be mostly NYC (my guess 70 to 90 %) with s fair number of PRR cars (guess 10 to 20 %), lesser number of B&O and ERIE and random cars from any other NE road. From PRR origins, roughly same picture substituting NYC and PRR marks. I've no idea what the ERIE and B&O car supply situation was like. From P&LE mines it would have been almost all P&LE cars. P&LE was one of the very few railroads in the northeast that was wealthy enough to own enough cars to load mostly its own.










Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Intermountain email

John F. Cizmar
 

Richard,
The e-mail address I have used in the past is: intermountain@...
Jerry Harkness was the respondent.
John F. Cizmar

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, richtownsend@... <richtownsend@...> wrote:

From: richtownsend@... <richtownsend@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain email
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:57 PM






I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@ intermountain- railway.com and mail@intermountain- railway.com.?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain' s website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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Atlas O scale 40' box cars

Andrew Martin <groups@...>
 

Hi all;

I have searched the archives using the above text string and parts
thereof without any luck in finding more detail about the prototypes
these cars were modelled on.

I have 11 of these cars sitting about at home and wanted to get
information on them to allow me to finish the cars in authentic schemes.

Would anyone be able to help me out on this. It is my belief that one
of the models is very close to an X29 prototype, but I would like some
assistance to determine if this is the case or not.

Yours sincerely
Andrew Martin
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars

Adam & Laura Eyring <eyrings06@...>
 

Though I can't vouch for its accuracy, Athearn did produce an HO Alton silver box car with red lettering at one point. Now Athearn produces a silver express box in two numbers with black lettering.

AME

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry" <jrs060@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars


Steve, the only time that I have ever seen one of the cars in service
was behind a GTW 4-8-4 trying to hold down to the 60 MPH speed
limit over the Wabash crossing at Ashburn, Illinois. It was an Alton
car still with the red lettering, first out behind the engine, on what
had to be first 490 on a hot early 1950s Summer evening. What I
can tell you about the car in the fleeting glimpse that I got of it
was it was very dirty! All grimed up with soot, nothing was at all
shinny about it, so dull and dirty you could hardly see the lettering
and triangular herald.
I really think that you would be wasting your time and effort
trying to make any model of an aluminum box car look shinny and
clean in service. That is unless you are modeling the car brand
new.

Happiness, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois





--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

I've been thinking about this, and you have made a good point. I
would have to wonder if the aluminum sheathing would have been
somewhat dulled, and perhaps even showing the effects of galvanic
action where steel fasteners were attached to the aluminum sheathing.

I know that the GM&O had some aluminum-sheathed cars built around the
same time, 1945/46. Perhaps a few other roads as well. This seems
to have been an industry experiment post-WWII. Can anyone relate
what the cars looked like after ten years' service? You would think
that the railroads would have been monitoring the durability of this
material in freight car use.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



Ten years service would make the boxcar aluminum finish very
dull.
The aluminum foil technique would be inferior to paint, and five
times the work. This boxcar is not a well cared for airplane.

Consider researching what military modelers use for various bare
metals. These guys and their vendor base have solved many
modeling
problems, yet there is little cross fertilzation between our hobby
and theirs.

There is some military dull metal finish paint that will get you an
acceptable look for your aluminum shealthed boxcar.











--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@> wrote:

On the weekend, I picked up a couple of True line Trains' HO 40'
CN
boxcars. Very nice models, but with a few very small issues that
can
be easily taken care of. One car that I purchased models a CN
aluminum-
sided boxcar, CN 521498, one of three experimental aluminum
sheathed
cars built in 1946--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
1936671483&id=55

And here's the True Line Trains' model--

http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-
1/True%
20Line%20Trains/TLT-000001-399999/tlt-300034-1%20copy.jpg

I'm not totally satisfied with the use of aluminum paint to
simulate
aluminum sheathing on this car, and would like your comments on a
better method to model this. Perhaps aluminum foil? On the
other
hand, as I am modelling a timeframe ten years after this car was
built,
would the paint on the model approximate (maybe with some
weathering)
ten-year-old aluminum sheathing?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.



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Yahoo! Groups Links



DOW Chemical Tank

Greg Udolph
 

Guys,

Due with issues of liability I cannot put the picture of the Dow tank I
want to do on the board. I understand the concern so it will not be on
there. I can send the picture to individuals via their private email address
if they are willing to help me out. The car I want to model is the 10000gal
I believe and I would really like to get as much info on it or at least
hints on the proper people to talk to to get the info. The car I want to put
it on is full size. It used to be a UTLX car but we already have one painted
on the property and due to the fact that we are somewhat sticking to a
Michigan theme I thought Dow would be a logical place to go. If you can help
please email me at gudolph@... . Thank you for your time.



Keep Steaming,

Greg Udolph

Chief Mechanical Officer

Steam Railroading Institute

Owosso, MI

gudolph@...

419-606-6532



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them lord, they know not what they do. - 12/07/94


Re: Intermountain email

jasonkliewer3@...
 

Call them instead. I've talked to someone each time I've called and usually passed along to the exact person I needed to answer my question.

Jason Kliewer
Phoenix, AZ

---- richtownsend@... wrote:

I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@... and mail@....?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain's website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon





Intermountain email

Richard Townsend
 

I have been trying to email Intermountain witout success.? I get a message that their email address does not exist.? I have tried intermountain@... and mail@....?? The first of these is what is on Intermountain's website, and the second comes from my return notices.? Anybody have any suggestions?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Hello From Down Under,

alwync1
 

Hi Folks,

I just want to introduce myself. I am from Warwick, Australia and heard
about this list from a friend. His indications were that if I wanted to
know anything about steam, steam operations and freight cars that were
around in the steam period in the US this was the group to be in. I
model the late great PRR exclusively in N Scale and through some of the
other groups I am in my interest has now turned from modelling diesels
to steam. The Shark Nose fleet of the PRR will always be near and dear
to me but with the advent of such an array of steam loco models now in
the market place steam modelling is becoming a reality. I look forard
to the information that comes from groups such as this. I do not know
what my input will be but I hope to be as active as possible. All the
best for now and I look forward to meeting you all in the message
column.

Regards

Al Cutmore
SPSNF


Re: COAL TRAFFIC

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce Smith replied:


On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:16 AM, joel norman asked:

GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal
for
the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would
have
moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars
in HO?
Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for
the
question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper
sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper
to
model within the era Ive listed(51-56)...
Joel,

It might be easier to list the ones you would not be likely to see...
For example, western roads like UP, AT&SF, CB&Q would be unlikely. PA
roads like P&LE would be fairly common. I also see a fair number of
B&O and Reading hoppers, but very few N&W and C&O. The "Bob Charles"
collection had a CofG hopper in Harrisburg, along with at least 15
other foreign roads. There are also some great yard shots in books by
Don Ball and others - look and see what it there.

As for models, the archives of this list, plus a membership to the
RPI website (at $5/month) are invaluable tools to determine
appropriate models. When focusing on particular roads, you can find
fleet type articles, such as Ben Hom's series on B&O hoppers in the
B&O Modeler.
But the traffic data determines how the coal got to Buffalo. The steel
mill requires a certain type of coal, a limited number of mines may be
able to provide it and that determines originating railroads for that
coal. Traffic patterns and interchange locations determine the usual
route for the coal to travel from the mine to the mill.

For modeling PRR hoppers don't forget "PennsylvaniaRailroad Steel Open
Hopper Cars" by John Teichmoeller. It is out-of-print, but it is still
available from used book dealers.

Bob Witt


Re: RES: FW: Andy Sperandeo

rfederle@...
 

Somehow I missed this. I too wish Andy a speedy recovery. He will be in my Prayers and thoughts.

Andy's positive outlook will also do wonders for his recovery. Thats the spirit, keep your chin up.

Robert Federle
---- Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...> wrote:

Andy,



A friend of mine underwent this kind of surgery 15 years ago and is pretty
well.



All my best



Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@...

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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De: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Em nome de
timboconnor@...
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 4 de agosto de 2008 15:54
Para: stmfc@...
Assunto: [STMFC] FW: Andy Sperandeo



Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most
of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery.

Tim O'Connor

*Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:*

Hello all,

Again, please excuse this group mailing, but I wanted
to let you all know that I'm going in for my cancer
surgery on Monday. The surgeon will remove my left lung,
but I expect a good outcome overall. I saw an
oncologist last Monday to make sure that surgery was the best
option, and I'm now convinced that it is. The form of
cancer that I have is pretty rare, and it's one that
doesn't respond to chemotherapy and is affected only
slightly by radiation. That makes surgery the best if
not the only choice, and the long-term survival rates
after surgery to remove this cancer are very good. I
don't have all the e-mail addresses that I have at work
on file here at home, so if you know of anyone who'd
be interested who isn't on this mailing list, feel free
to let them know. I'll be a Waukesha Memorial
Hospital once again, but I expect to be home by Friday at the
latest.

I'll be seeing you,


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RES: FW: Andy Sperandeo

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Andy,



A friend of mine underwent this kind of surgery 15 years ago and is pretty
well.



All my best



Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@...

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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timboconnor@...
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 4 de agosto de 2008 15:54
Para: stmfc@...
Assunto: [STMFC] FW: Andy Sperandeo



Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most
of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery.

Tim O'Connor

*Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:*

Hello all,

Again, please excuse this group mailing, but I wanted
to let you all know that I'm going in for my cancer
surgery on Monday. The surgeon will remove my left lung,
but I expect a good outcome overall. I saw an
oncologist last Monday to make sure that surgery was the best
option, and I'm now convinced that it is. The form of
cancer that I have is pretty rare, and it's one that
doesn't respond to chemotherapy and is affected only
slightly by radiation. That makes surgery the best if
not the only choice, and the long-term survival rates
after surgery to remove this cancer are very good. I
don't have all the e-mail addresses that I have at work
on file here at home, so if you know of anyone who'd
be interested who isn't on this mailing list, feel free
to let them know. I'll be a Waukesha Memorial
Hospital once again, but I expect to be home by Friday at the
latest.

I'll be seeing you,


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08:09


FW: Andy Sperandeo

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy's a long time member of this list, and I thought most
of us will want to wish Andy a swift and full recovery.

Tim O'Connor

*Paul Catapano says: received this from Andy tonight:*

Hello all,

Again, please excuse this group mailing, but I wanted
to let you all know that I'm going in for my cancer
surgery on Monday. The surgeon will remove my left lung,
but I expect a good outcome overall. I saw an
oncologist last Monday to make sure that surgery was the best
option, and I'm now convinced that it is. The form of
cancer that I have is pretty rare, and it's one that
doesn't respond to chemotherapy and is affected only
slightly by radiation. That makes surgery the best if
not the only choice, and the long-term survival rates
after surgery to remove this cancer are very good. I
don't have all the e-mail addresses that I have at work
on file here at home, so if you know of anyone who'd
be interested who isn't on this mailing list, feel free
to let them know. I'll be a Waukesha Memorial
Hospital once again, but I expect to be home by Friday at the
latest.

I'll be seeing you,


Re: COAL TRAFFIC

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 4, 2008, at 11:16 AM, joel norman wrote:

GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal for
the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would have
moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars in HO?
Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for the
question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper
sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper to
model within the era Ive listed(51-56)...
Joel,

It might be easier to list the ones you would not be likely to see...
For example, western roads like UP, AT&SF, CB&Q would be unlikely. PA
roads like P&LE would be fairly common. I also see a fair number of
B&O and Reading hoppers, but very few N&W and C&O. The "Bob Charles"
collection had a CofG hopper in Harrisburg, along with at least 15
other foreign roads. There are also some great yard shots in books by
Don Ball and others - look and see what it there.

As for models, the archives of this list, plus a membership to the RPI website (at $5/month) are invaluable tools to determine appropriate models. When focusing on particular roads, you can find fleet type articles, such as Ben Hom's series on B&O hoppers in the B&O Modeler.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: More on PFE R-30-16 rebuilds

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:10 PM, smithbf36832 wrote:

So I have to ask <G> - if the Tichy car is an R-40-2/4 and we're
talking R-30-12-16, what
is the difference between the 30 and 40 ton cars with built-up u/f?
I can that the R-40-2/4
series appears to have different trucks from the R-30-12/13 series
T-section trucks. Is it just the trucks?







Bruce, the 40 ton built-up underframe was essentially of the same
design as the 30 ton built up underframe, but slightly larger and
heavier. The difference is small enough to be negligible in HO
scale, so IMHO the Tichy underframe is acceptable to model both
(unless, of course, you're obsessive-compulsive).


Richard Hendrickson


Re: SHPX Tank Car Lettering

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:56 PM, umtrr wrote:

Micro-Trains has just reprinted its N Scale single dome tank car
lettered for Shippers Car Line (SHPX 7675) as part of its August 2008
releases.

It is painted black with white lettering including on the left from
top
to bottom: small company name, white stripe, reporting marks with
periods, white stripe. This is a paint scheme found on several
different tank car types in numerous photos in Rail Model Journal
articles, and has also been used by different manufacturers in
different scales.

Speculating that it was within the time period covered here, about
when
did Shippers switch to reporting marks only on tank cars, replacing
the
scheme described above? I'm recognizing that repainting might not have
occurred until some time later, if at all.
















Shippers Car Line began dropping the "SHIPPERS CAR LINE" lettering
above the reporting marks and numbers (but not the lines above and
below) in the late 1940s and early 1950s, but did so inconsistently;
cars with additional stenciling for long term lessees did not have
it, but some cars in general SHPX service had it and some did not.
Both "SHIPPERS CAR LINE" and lines disappeared entirely after about
mid-1954 on both new and repainted cars, though many (increasingly
dirty) cars remained in service through the 1950s and even into the
1960s with the earlier style lettering.

Richard Hendrickson


COAL TRAFFIC

joel norman <mec-bml@...>
 

GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal for
the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would have
moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars in HO?
Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for the
question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper
sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper to
model within the era Ive listed(51-56)...
Thanks
Joel Norman Atlantic & Lake Ontario Rly(dba-Eastern Maine Rly
Brooklyn Terminal Rly)


Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars

water.kresse@...
 

In 1948, ALCOA had surplus aluminum sheet made for aircraft that they wanted to sell. They might have clad the aluminum with pure-aluminum, but that was it. This was 6XXX series aluminum and not 5XXX series marine aluminum. In use pix of these cars (C&O anyway) showed that they were very dull and stained. Markings would have been hard to read.

The C&Os Office of Research and Design/Development (Cleveland Towers) was headed by an aeronautical engineer Ken Browne) and his number two person was a Degree of Engineering Engineering Sciences and Aeronautical Engineering graduate from the U of Michigan (Sergi Guins). NASA also had a research center in Cleveland near the C&Os advanced offices . . . . in addition ALCOA having local facilities. The sheets for the C&O aluminum FCs came from out in Iowa.

General Motors also got "deals" to utilize the aluminum industry's excess WW2 casting facilities.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...>
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Lucas

I've been thinking about this, and you have made a good point. I
would have to wonder if the aluminum sheathing would have been
somewhat dulled, and perhaps even showing the effects of galvanic
action where steel fasteners were attached to the aluminum sheathing.

----- Original Message -----

By WW II it was already known that a sealant had to be applied between steel
and aluminum components (and between some different types of aluminum) to
prevent corrosion. From what I've seen a number of these aluminum cars were
sponsored by the aluminum companies themselves, so I'm sure that every
"trick" available to make the cars last would've been applied - perhaps even
anodizing.

KL


Re: Digest Number 5322

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Justin Kahn wrote:


Thanks for all the help, guys. Reporting marks are BWCX, since the previous owner used Champ's set. What didn't occur to me until after I posted is that they are probably wrong anyway, as the car is a GLCa, and I'd guess the Berwind cars that went to PRR were GLC pattern. In any event, since I am pretty sure I had an RMC subscription in 1986 I'll dig around until I find that article. I suppose it could tell me that Berwind did have GLCa pattern hoppers, as the fellow I bought it from is no novice.
Jace,

Berwind did have both GLC and GLCA cars.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars

Jerry <jrs060@...>
 

Steve, the only time that I have ever seen one of the cars in service
was behind a GTW 4-8-4 trying to hold down to the 60 MPH speed
limit over the Wabash crossing at Ashburn, Illinois. It was an Alton
car still with the red lettering, first out behind the engine, on what
had to be first 490 on a hot early 1950s Summer evening. What I
can tell you about the car in the fleeting glimpse that I got of it
was it was very dirty! All grimed up with soot, nothing was at all
shinny about it, so dull and dirty you could hardly see the lettering
and triangular herald.
I really think that you would be wasting your time and effort
trying to make any model of an aluminum box car look shinny and
clean in service. That is unless you are modeling the car brand
new.

Happiness, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

I've been thinking about this, and you have made a good point. I
would have to wonder if the aluminum sheathing would have been
somewhat dulled, and perhaps even showing the effects of galvanic
action where steel fasteners were attached to the aluminum sheathing.

I know that the GM&O had some aluminum-sheathed cars built around the
same time, 1945/46. Perhaps a few other roads as well. This seems
to have been an industry experiment post-WWII. Can anyone relate
what the cars looked like after ten years' service? You would think
that the railroads would have been monitoring the durability of this
material in freight car use.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



Ten years service would make the boxcar aluminum finish very
dull.
The aluminum foil technique would be inferior to paint, and five
times the work. This boxcar is not a well cared for airplane.

Consider researching what military modelers use for various bare
metals. These guys and their vendor base have solved many
modeling
problems, yet there is little cross fertilzation between our hobby
and theirs.

There is some military dull metal finish paint that will get you an
acceptable look for your aluminum shealthed boxcar.











--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@> wrote:

On the weekend, I picked up a couple of True line Trains' HO 40'
CN
boxcars. Very nice models, but with a few very small issues that
can
be easily taken care of. One car that I purchased models a CN
aluminum-
sided boxcar, CN 521498, one of three experimental aluminum
sheathed
cars built in 1946--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
1936671483&id=55

And here's the True Line Trains' model--

http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-
1/True%
20Line%20Trains/TLT-000001-399999/tlt-300034-1%20copy.jpg

I'm not totally satisfied with the use of aluminum paint to
simulate
aluminum sheathing on this car, and would like your comments on a
better method to model this. Perhaps aluminum foil? On the
other
hand, as I am modelling a timeframe ten years after this car was
built,
would the paint on the model approximate (maybe with some
weathering)
ten-year-old aluminum sheathing?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.

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