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Re: Early Schnabel Cars

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

WECX 200 photos at:
<http://southern.railfan.net/schnabel/cars/ptdx200/wecx200.html>
The c1957 photo in the middle of the page look
like the same shipment as in the book.

Richard

At 08:50 PM 8/5/2008, Richard Brennan wrote:
At 12:34 PM 8/5/2008, John Thompson wrote:
I have searched the Web and this list's archives, but I can't find
anything about when the first Schnabel cars appeared on US rails, and
whether they looked different from the HO models currently available.
Does anyone here know the history of these cars for the steam era?
It looks like the Schnabel may have just
slipped-in at the end of the Steam era...

"100 Years of Railroad Cars" (Walter Lucas, ©
1958) has photos and plans for WECX 200, a
250-ton Schnabel built in June 1957 by Greenville for Westinghouse.

One photo shows a typically large Westinghouse
transformer load, with a banner reading "Another
Westinghouse First"... which may indicate that
this was the first shipment of its kind.

The car looks quite modellogenic... 4 six-wheel
buckeye trucks, and two full separate sets of
brake gear sitting out on top of the flat deck of
the car halves. The whole thing is only about
65ft over the strikers, close-coupled with no load.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Early Schnabel Cars

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 12:34 PM 8/5/2008, John Thompson wrote:
I have searched the Web and this list's archives, but I can't find
anything about when the first Schnabel cars appeared on US rails, and
whether they looked different from the HO models currently available.
Does anyone here know the history of these cars for the steam era?
It looks like the Schnabel may have just
slipped-in at the end of the Steam era...

"100 Years of Railroad Cars" (Walter Lucas, ©
1958) has photos and plans for WECX 200, a
250-ton Schnabel built in June 1957 by Greenville for Westinghouse.

One photo shows a typically large Westinghouse
transformer load, with a banner reading "Another
Westinghouse First"... which may indicate that
this was the first shipment of its kind.

The car looks quite modellogenic... 4 six-wheel
buckeye trucks, and two full separate sets of
brake gear sitting out on top of the flat deck of
the car halves. The whole thing is only about
65ft over the strikers, close-coupled with no load.


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


Re: Aluminum-sheated box cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Add M&StL, Rock Island and Alton to the list.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

How common were these as postwar STMFC boxcars? I know of only a few
roads that tried them out.

CPR 2 cars

CN 3 cars

Roberval Saugenay 10 (?) cars

GM&O 10 (?) cars.

Any others?

Steve Lucas.


Re: Aluminum-sheated box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Lucas wrote:
How common were these as postwar STMFC boxcars? I know of only a few roads that tried them out. . . . Any others?
There are a whole bunch, Steve, many of them singletons.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Aluminum-sheated box cars

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

How common were these as postwar STMFC boxcars? I know of only a few
roads that tried them out.

CPR 2 cars

CN 3 cars

Roberval Saugenay 10 (?) cars

GM&O 10 (?) cars.

Any others?

Steve Lucas.


Re: Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:58 PM, asychis@... wrote:

I'm completing Sunshine's MoPac 52'6" Fixed End gondolas and could
use some
photos. The Sunshine data sheet includes only one photo of the
MoPac cars
(actually one of the StLB&M cars), and does not show the "B"-end.
Anyone know of
a source? These cars also include I-GN 12000-12799 and StLB&M
11100-11599,
11650-11899.







Jerry, I have photos of StLB&M 11412 and 11721. Neither view shows
the B end, but either or both of these would be helpful, I'll send
you scans off-list.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

water.kresse@...
 

If these kits have come since the recent Spring rains, it is that all their time is taken up in the shop trying to get these car parts to kick off and cure in this high humidity. I would have guessed also that their raw material costs have gone up significantly . . . just like gasoline. Have their prices gone up 50 percent?

They are also trying to organize their Naperville Conference . . . . which has a LOT of speakers this year.

Al Kresse
Romeo, Michigan

-------------- Original message --------------
From: cobrapsl@...
Jerry Michel's said

Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Like the little bird in the tree-cheep, CHEEP, CHEEP!

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: asychis@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

Hi,

I'm completing Sunshine's MoPac 52'6" Fixed End gondolas and could use some
photos. The Sunshine data sheet includes only one photo of the MoPac cars
(actually one of the StLB&M cars), and does not show the "B"-end. Anyone know of
a source? These cars also include I-GN 12000-12799 and StLB&M 11100-11599,
11650-11899. I also have to comment that the instructions are pretty skimpy.
Why no photos of the completed kit and only a partial photo of the underside?
Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Thanks!

Jerry Michels

**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


Re: Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

cshope@...
 

Better than no kits at all - keep the kits coming Martin, those of us on
this list should be able to handle the Instructions and fill in the gaps.



Respectfully submitted,





Charles D. Shope



_____

From: cobrapsl@... [mailto:cobrapsl@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 5:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299



Jerry Michel's said

Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Like the little bird in the tree-cheep, CHEEP, CHEEP!

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: asychis@aol. <mailto:asychis%40aol.com> com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

Hi,

I'm completing Sunshine's MoPac 52'6" Fixed End gondolas and could use some
photos. The Sunshine data sheet includes only one photo of the MoPac cars
(actually one of the StLB&M cars), and does not show the "B"-end. Anyone
know of
a source? These cars also include I-GN 12000-12799 and StLB&M 11100-11599,
11650-11899. I also have to comment that the instructions are pretty skimpy.

Why no photos of the completed kit and only a partial photo of the
underside?
Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Thanks!

Jerry Michels

**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000
017 )


Re: Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Just a little horn tooting on my own behalf -
Questions like Tim's are getting easier to answer. I went to
www.sunshinekits.com <http://www.sunshinekits.com/> and selected Flyers by
RR. Then I scrolled down to MP and there it was. I have more than 100
Sunshine flyers available on-line now but I am still less than half done.
Flyers for all kits numbered 54 and above are available now and I'll be
adding more in a week or two.
By the way, do you Missouri Pacific people have a preference whether I use
MP or MoPac?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon



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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299



Jerry

Whoa, how did I miss those? What kit numbers?



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Re: Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

Paul Lyons
 

Jerry Michel's said

Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?


Like the little bird in the tree-cheep, CHEEP, CHEEP!

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: asychis@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299






Hi,

I'm completing Sunshine's MoPac 52'6" Fixed End gondolas and could use some
photos. The Sunshine data sheet includes only one photo of the MoPac cars
(actually one of the StLB&M cars), and does not show the "B"-end. Anyone know of
a source? These cars also include I-GN 12000-12799 and StLB&M 11100-11599,
11650-11899. I also have to comment that the instructions are pretty skimpy.
Why no photos of the completed kit and only a partial photo of the underside?
Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Thanks!

Jerry Michels

**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


Re: Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

Tim O'Connor
 

Jerry

Whoa, how did I miss those? What kit numbers?

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: asychis@...
Hi,

I'm completing Sunshine's MoPac 52'6" Fixed End gondolas and could use some
photos. The Sunshine data sheet includes only one photo of the MoPac cars
(actually one of the StLB&M cars), and does not show the "B"-end. Anyone know
of
a source? These cars also include I-GN 12000-12799 and StLB&M 11100-11599,
11650-11899. I also have to comment that the instructions are pretty skimpy.
Why no photos of the completed kit and only a partial photo of the underside?
Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Thanks!

Jerry Michels


Re: Andy Sperandeo

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Thanks, Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Madden
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Andy Sperandeo


--- In STMFC@..., "Norman+Laraine Larkin" <lono@...> wrote:
>
> This may be off topic, but has anyone on list heard how Andy is doing?
> Norm Larkin
>
>

Received an email from him late yesterday, the surgery was postponed
until a minor infection is cleared up.

Tom Madden


Re: Andy Sperandeo

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Norman+Laraine Larkin" <lono@...> wrote:

This may be off topic, but has anyone on list heard how Andy is doing?
Norm Larkin

Received an email from him late yesterday, the surgery was postponed
until a minor infection is cleared up.

Tom Madden


Andy Sperandeo

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

This may be off topic, but has anyone on list heard how Andy is doing?
Norm Larkin


Re: ANDY S MAILING ADDRESS

George Hollwedel
 

c/o MR/Kalmbach should work

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/sr-0806-hollwedelATSF.php
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollATSFExpressN.htm

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, raildata <raildata@...> wrote:

From: raildata <raildata@...>
Subject: [STMFC] ANDY S MAILING ADDRESS
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:43 PM
Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a snail mail address for Andy S. I have
some things he
might enjoy during his recuperation period.

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC


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Early Schnabel Cars

John Thompson
 

I have searched the Web and this list's archives, but I can't find
anything about when the first Schnabel cars appeared on US rails, and
whether they looked different from the HO models currently available.
Does anyone here know the history of these cars for the steam era?

Thanks,
John Thompson
Bellevue (Seattle) WA


ANDY S MAILING ADDRESS

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi Guys,

Does anyone have a snail mail address for Andy S. I have some things he
might enjoy during his recuperation period.

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC


Sunshine MoPac Gondolas 5200-5299

asychis@...
 

Hi,

I'm completing Sunshine's MoPac 52'6" Fixed End gondolas and could use some
photos. The Sunshine data sheet includes only one photo of the MoPac cars
(actually one of the StLB&M cars), and does not show the "B"-end. Anyone know of
a source? These cars also include I-GN 12000-12799 and StLB&M 11100-11599,
11650-11899. I also have to comment that the instructions are pretty skimpy.
Why no photos of the completed kit and only a partial photo of the underside?
Is there a reason Sunshine is producing minimalist instructions these days?

Thanks!

Jerry Michels



**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
Read reviews on AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


COAL TRAFFIC to Buffalo

ed_mines
 

Erie serviced a bituminius coal mine in Bradford, PA which is about 80
miles south south east of Buffalo, by the NY-PA border.

The coal was described as steam coal which may have been suitable for
steel mills.

I have a couple of steam era photos taken on the Bradford branch
showing Erie, PRR, DL&W, D&H and C&I hopper cars.

Bradford also had oil wells and a refinery and is home to Kendall motor
oil.

Ed "jailbird" Mines


Re: COAL TRAFFIC

NicholasF
 

Dear Joel,

This may be a document you'll find useful. It is available from the
B&O Railroad Historical Society company store at http://www.borhs.org:

Item # 72055: B&O Officers Inspection Trains. Buffalo Division. Approx
162 pages of very detailed data prepared for B&O officers inpsection
trip of the B&O for trips in 1953, 1954 and 1955. Employee statistics
and safety data. Page of fuel usage on Buffalo Div on given dates.
List of cities served, population and revenue per city. Season
tonnages for 8 years running at Charlotte and DL&W docks.
Income/Expense statement for Charlotte Dock Company for 1950-51-52.
Comparison of B&O tonnages on Lake Ontario vs PRR, NYC and DL&W docks.
Details of lease agreements for facilities. List of mines and
carloadings of coal & coke. Coal tonnages billed at Cloe scales for 7
years, by month. Dates of miner's strikes and vacation outages for
1946-52. Special moves of coal and coke on Indiana Sub with PRR.
Motive power forces by location. Quantities of freight cars held for
heavy or reconditioning at 4 locations on Buffalo Div. Description of
the line with details of construction, ties, rail, switches,
facilities, equipment. List of improvements with AFE numbers; costs,
number of new crossties and tons on new rail laid; track workforce
listing. of engines assigned, by class, steam & diesel, for Buffalo
Div. Tonnage ratings by engine type, to include tonnage adjustments in
tons per car depending on air temperatures. List of engine numbers
assigned by location for freight & passenger. These types of data are
represented for the various trip dates, enabling the reader to see
changes on the Buffalo Division during these years.

Take Care
-Nick Fry
Archivist
Director at Large
B&O Railroad Historical Society
http://www.borhs.org

--- In STMFC@..., "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

GENTLEMAN:
NEED SOME MODELING DATA:1950-1956 NORTHEAST USA(PENNA-NY)Coal for
the steel mills of Buffalo out of coal county(WvA/Va/Ohio/Ky)would have
moved in whose coal cars other then PRR?and who offers these cars in HO?
Im sorry to the owner of the sight if this isnt the right group for the
question,please if let me know and I will direct it to the proper
sight.Not looking for traffic data as much as which railroad hopper to
model within the era Ive listed(51-56)...
Thanks
Joel Norman Atlantic & Lake Ontario Rly(dba-Eastern Maine Rly
Brooklyn Terminal Rly)

120101 - 120120 of 194713