Re: Per Diem
Robert kirkham
Hi Richard - I'm curious - was there an AAR district shown for the Pacific coast of Canada (around Vancouver B.C. - just north of the border; just north of Bellingham Washington?) If yes, which district was it? If not, does anyone know why not?
Rob Kirkham From: Richard Brennan Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:25 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Per Diem At 11:24 AM 8/22/2008, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote: Per diem in the 1950's was the same for all box cars, and was quiteIn the Simmons-Boardman book "Freight Cars Rolling" by Lawrence Sagle ©1960, an entire chapter is devoted to the per diem issue... (Chapter 3, p61-70) The per diem rate is described as having started-out at $0.20 per day... and was at $2.88 per day by 1960. Failure to report added another 15¢ to 60¢ per day depending on delay. For non- per diem cars, mileage rates of from 0.6¢ to 4¢ per mile were paid, based on car type, with tanks and reefers at the high end of the scale. As far as reporting, Sagle describes four report types, all based on the car waybills: - Wheel Report - per train - Interchange Report - cars exchanged between RRs - Junction Report - foreign cars delivered to another RR (i.e. passing the per diem buck...) - Passing Report - ad hoc tracking of car movements Return loading rules are described as: (in order) - Return to home road (loaded or empty) - Loaded in the direction of the home road - loaded via any route to a destination within, or in the direction of, the "home district" An AAR map of the 23 districts from District 1 (WA-OR-ID) to District 23 (Eastern Canada) is provided, along with several typical forms. ...and I always wondered why railroads had those huge buildings full of clerks! -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
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Digest Number 5367
Stan Hall
Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will
be from 1900-1960. Messages In This Digest (8 Messages) 1a. Re: ORER discrepancy From: George Hollwedel 1b. Re: ORER discrepancy From: George W Simmons 2.1. Re: Per Diem From: mcindoefalls 2.2. Re: Per Diem From: George W Simmons 2.3. Re: Per Diem From: Steve Lucas 3.1. Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? From: finkfam98055 3.2. Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? From: Brian J Carlson 3.3. Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? From: Brian Leppert View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: ORER discrepancy Posted by: "George Hollwedel" proto.nscale@yahoo.com proto.nscale Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:09 pm (PDT) Is "uo" US? Is "cay" car? Prototype N Scale Models (TM) by George Hollwedel 310 Loma Verde St Buda, TX 78610-9785 512-796-6883 www.micro-trains.com/sr-0806-hollwedelATSF.php www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollATSFExpressN.htm > ------------------- > The impetus was to have accuracy only on the uo side. It > was necessary that any cay that might handle revenue traffic > be listed, but not that every car listed be in service, or > even exist. > > > > Malcolm Laughlin, Editor > 617-489-4383 > New England Rail Shipper Directories > 19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478 > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 1b. Re: ORER discrepancy Posted by: "George W Simmons" GEORGESIMMONS@prodigy.net realmopacman Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:48 pm (PDT) --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, George Hollwedel <proto.nscale@...> wrote: > > Is "uo" US? Is "cay" car? > I would say "uo" was to be "up" as in above the actual number and not the railroad. And car makes sense in the sentence. George Simmons Dry Prong, LA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 2.1. Re: Per Diem Posted by: "mcindoefalls" mcindoefalls@yahoo.com mcindoefalls Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:06 pm (PDT) I think Steve's point was that the (bankrupt) O&W owed much, much more in per diem payments than it could ever hope to receive from its connections, given the paltry number of O&W cars that could go off-line. I would venture to say that most of those O&W cars were hoppers, which would likely stay on line or close to home. And so, the O&W would have been shoveling per diem money out, while receiving next to nothing in per diem receipts. Walt Lankenau --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote: > > Steve > > Per diem in the 1950's was the same for all box cars, and was quite > low -- IIRC less than $3 a day. Unless the NYSW was a parking lot for > offline cars, I doubt they suffered from per diem overhead. After all, if > they could move a car across the system in 24 hours, they might avoid > having to pay any per diem at all. > > Tim > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> > > The Jan., 1953 ORER shows the NYO&W as having 146 cars suitable for > > interchange. For an over 400-mile Class One pike, this road must > > have had substantial per diem costs. No wonder that they went under > > in 1957. > > > > Steve Lucas. > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (33) 2.2. Re: Per Diem Posted by: "George W Simmons" GEORGESIMMONS@prodigy.net realmopacman Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:49 pm (PDT) --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote: > > I think Steve's point was that the (bankrupt) O&W owed much, much more > in per diem payments than it could ever hope to receive from its > connections, given the paltry number of O&W cars that could go > off-line. I would venture to say that most of those O&W cars were > hoppers, which would likely stay on line or close to home. I checked the 1953 ORER reprint and the Old Woman owned a total of 13 boxcars each with interior length of 36 feet. Also, I wonder about the speed of trains accross the Old and Weary, would they be able to move cars at a speed that would preclude per diem payments. George Simmons Dry Prong, LA Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (33) 2.3. Re: Per Diem Posted by: "Steve Lucas" stevelucas3@yahoo.ca stevelucas3 Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:25 pm (PDT) The O&W did have some longhaul freights that ran between Scranton, PA and Maybrook, NY in less than 16 hours. But any car terminating on the O&W would have been on the property more than 24'. And I don't recall the O&W originating a lot of tonnage in its 20 years of bankruptcy from 1937-57. They did move some pig iron south out of Oswego, NY, but it's been suggested that this traffic did not produce much revenue after per-diem (foreign roads' cars being used) and terminal expenses. Other roads might have been able to balance the per diem payments on foreign cars agianst money owed for their cars, but not the Old Woman. The O&W did have many strikes aginst it in the later years, and the per-diem expenses can't have helped its financial position. Steve Lucas. (always looking to learn more about the O&W) In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "George W Simmons" <GEORGESIMMONS@...> wrote: > > --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@> wrote: > > > > I think Steve's point was that the (bankrupt) O&W owed much, much more > > in per diem payments than it could ever hope to receive from its > > connections, given the paltry number of O&W cars that could go > > off-line. I would venture to say that most of those O&W cars were > > hoppers, which would likely stay on line or close to home. > > I checked the 1953 ORER reprint and the Old Woman owned a total of 13 > boxcars each with interior length of 36 feet. Also, I wonder about the > speed of trains accross the Old and Weary, would they be able to move > cars at a speed that would preclude per diem payments. > > George Simmons > Dry Prong, LA > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (33) 3.1. Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? Posted by: "finkfam98055" finkfam2@comcast.net finkfam98055 Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:41 pm (PDT) I have not seen anyone mentioned it yet, so I'll remind members that Eastern Car Works offers 3 different types of 4-wheel, 70-ton HO trucks. I've used and can recommend their #9064 Bettendorf as representative of the type. Note that the Eastern Car Works trucks need careful assembly (with glue) and do not come with wheels. Retail list price is $3 for a pair. I believe #9064 is the same type as pictured at the link to the ERIE 10325 gon photo in message 75505 (thanks John Hile). http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie10325b.jpg Larry Fink --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote: > > --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@> wrote: > > > > I think any properly rendered 70-ton truck in HO will look distinctly > > different from 50-ton trucks, especially with that wider bolster, > and are > > certainly needed. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (27) 3.2. Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? Posted by: "Brian J Carlson" brian@bluemoon.net prrk41361 Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:35 pm (PDT) True, and I used some ECW Dalman's before Brian's came out. However, the ECW trucks are stryene and wear out with use. This can be fixed by delrin axle point caps. However, Tahoe trucks are better detailed, and one piece acetal plastic so if Brian does do a 70 ton truck, I have a ton of P2k gons that can use them. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (27) 3.3. Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? Posted by: "Brian Leppert" b.leppert@att.net brianleppert Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:22 am (PDT) Andy and Jason, The Atlas truck is a very poor representation of the National C-1 70- ton truck. If you have Tony's SP Freight Cars, vol.1, Gondolas and Stock Cars, see page 218 for what the prototype really looks like. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Sperandeo" <asperandeo@...> wrote: > > Brian, I think you're on to something with the 70-ton trucks. I just built a Sunshine NYC > gondola kit that needed 70-ton trucks with a 3-1-3 spring package. I used a pair of Atlas > trucks from a Hart convertible ballast car, adding semi-scale wheels and Kadee brake shoes. > However, Atlas doesn't list these as separate parts and they aren't as nice as your trucks > anyway. > > Good luck, > > Andy > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (27) RECENT ACTIVITY 1 New Photos 5 New Files Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Access it for free Get Fantasy Sports stats on your TV. Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Share Photos Put your favorite photos and more online. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
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Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
True, and I used some ECW Dalman's before Brian's came out. However, the ECW
trucks are stryene and wear out with use. This can be fixed by delrin axle point caps. However, Tahoe trucks are better detailed, and one piece acetal plastic so if Brian does do a 70 ton truck, I have a ton of P2k gons that can use them. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: Per Diem
Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
The O&W did have some longhaul freights that ran between
Scranton, PA and Maybrook, NY in less than 16 hours. But any car terminating on the O&W would have been on the property more than 24'. And I don't recall the O&W originating a lot of tonnage in its 20 years of bankruptcy from 1937-57. They did move some pig iron south out of Oswego, NY, but it's been suggested that this traffic did not produce much revenue after per-diem (foreign roads' cars being used) and terminal expenses. Other roads might have been able to balance the per diem payments on foreign cars agianst money owed for their cars, but not the Old Woman. The O&W did have many strikes aginst it in the later years, and the per-diem expenses can't have helped its financial position. Steve Lucas. (always looking to learn more about the O&W) In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "George W Simmons" <GEORGESIMMONS@...> wrote: more 13in per diem payments than it could ever hope to receive from itsI checked the 1953 ORER reprint and the Old Woman owned a total of boxcars each with interior length of 36 feet. Also, I wonder aboutthe speed of trains accross the Old and Weary, would they be able tomove cars at a speed that would preclude per diem payments.
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Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
I have not seen anyone mentioned it yet, so I'll remind members that
Eastern Car Works offers 3 different types of 4-wheel, 70-ton HO trucks. I've used and can recommend their #9064 Bettendorf as representative of the type. Note that the Eastern Car Works trucks need careful assembly (with glue) and do not come with wheels. Retail list price is $3 for a pair. I believe #9064 is the same type as pictured at the link to the ERIE 10325 gon photo in message 75505 (thanks John Hile). http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie10325b.jpg Larry Fink --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote: distinctly different from 50-ton trucks, especially with that wider bolster,and arecertainly needed.
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Re: Per Diem
George Simmons
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...> wrote:
I checked the 1953 ORER reprint and the Old Woman owned a total of 13 boxcars each with interior length of 36 feet. Also, I wonder about the speed of trains accross the Old and Weary, would they be able to move cars at a speed that would preclude per diem payments. George Simmons Dry Prong, LA
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Re: Per Diem
Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
The Jan., 1953 ORER shows the NYO&W as having 146 cars suitable for interchange. For an over 400-mile Class One pike, this road must have had substantial per diem costs. No wonder that they went under in 1957.
Steve Lucas ---------------- The per diem deficit is not necessarily a sign of a weak railroad. Mopst railroads bought cars to protect their on-line loading. A well managed primarily terminating road should have a per diem deficit. If you are a small railroad without ready access to the capital markets, it might be much cheaper to rent cars than to own them. Especialy if except for coal you are a terminating railroad. W eshould remember that in the 50's the railroads that were buying a lot of cars also were screaming about the per diem rate being too low to pay for their cost of car ownership. The terminating roads in the east were probably much better off renting cars thanif they had had to pay the costs of buying and maintaining those cars. Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383 New England Rail Shipper Directories 19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478
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Re: Per Diem
mcindoefalls
I think Steve's point was that the (bankrupt) O&W owed much, much more
in per diem payments than it could ever hope to receive from its connections, given the paltry number of O&W cars that could go off-line. I would venture to say that most of those O&W cars were hoppers, which would likely stay on line or close to home. And so, the O&W would have been shoveling per diem money out, while receiving next to nothing in per diem receipts. Walt Lankenau --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote: all, if they could move a car across the system in 24 hours, they might avoid
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Re: ORER discrepancy
George Simmons
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, George Hollwedel <proto.nscale@...> wrote:
I would say "uo" was to be "up" as in above the actual number and not the railroad. And car makes sense in the sentence. George Simmons Dry Prong, LA
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Re: ORER discrepancy
Is "uo" US? Is "cay" car?
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Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
Andy and Jason,
The Atlas truck is a very poor representation of the National C-1 70- ton truck. If you have Tony's SP Freight Cars, vol.1, Gondolas and Stock Cars, see page 218 for what the prototype really looks like. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Sperandeo" <asperandeo@...> wrote: just built a Sunshine NYC gondola kit that needed 70-ton trucks with a 3-1-3 spring package.I used a pair of Atlas trucks from a Hart convertible ballast car, adding semi-scalewheels and Kadee brake shoes. However, Atlas doesn't list these as separate parts and they aren'tas nice as your trucks anyway.
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The Keystone Modeler - 2008
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
And now, a break from the Freight Car Distribution Debate...
I've been extremely remiss about posting articles of interest in The Keystone Modeler as it comes out - for those of you who haven't checked out the PRRT&HS website lately, here are STMFC articles of interest that have appeared so far this year: August 2008 "Walthers N6B, Corrected and Backdated" by Ed Walters "Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad's Box Car Fleet Part 8 - The Pennsy's X26C Class - The Sunshine Resin Kit" by Elden Gatwood "Building the TM8 (AC&F Type11) Tank Car" by Bruce F. Smith July 2008 "More 2008 Annual Meeting Model Photos" by Elden Gatwood "PRRPro Class X31 Preliminary Feature" by Al Buchan June 2008 "[Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad's Box Car Fleet Part 7 - ] Scratchbuilding a PRR Class XI Furniture Car" by David J. Vinci "2008 Annual Meeting Contest Winners" by Elden Gatwood May 2008 "Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad's Box Car Fleet Part 6 – Class X51 Prototype Overview" by Ben Hom "Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad's Box Car Fleet Part 6A - Modeling HO scale PRR Class X51 Boxcars" by Tom Haag April 2008 "Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad's Gondola Fleet Part 18-2 – The G28 Class Gondola Variants" by Jack Consoli "National Car Company 37' Meat Refrigerator Car - A kitbash of the Accurail wood reefer" by Bruce F. Smith Winter 2008 Special Issue: "The Wood Sheathed Cars of the FGEX/WFEX/BREX Freight Refrigerator Fleet: 1940-1953" by Bill Welch March 2008 "Product Review HO-scale InterMountain Fruit Growers Express 40-foot Wood-Sheathed Refrigerator Car" by Bill Welch February 2008 "Modeling PRR N5C 477929" by David Skirmont "Modeling PRR Class F30A Flat Car 474489" by Jack Burgess January 2008 "Here's What I'm Modeling - HO-Scale PRR Freight Cars" by John Golden Each of these issues can be downloaded free of charge at http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm CDs of past issues (only the past 12 months' issues are on the website) are available; ordering information is on the last page of any issue of TKM. Ben Hom
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Re: RAILMODEL JOURNAL
Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
Charlie,
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From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [STMFC] RAILMODEL JOURNAL To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 12:14 PM Mont- What is RAILMODEL? Not sure I have seen that magazine.... ....maybe Railroad Model Craftsman??? Charlie Vlk ----- Original Message ----- From: Mont Switzer To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: [STMFC] RAILMODEL JOURNAL Just received a letter advising that my unfulfilled RMJ subescription has been transferred to RAILMDOEL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM
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Re: RAILMODEL JOURNAL
Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
Ben,
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From: benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> Subject: [STMFC] Re: RAILMODEL JOURNAL To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 10:47 AM Mont Switzer wrote: "Just received a letter advising that my unfulfilled RMJ subescription has been transferred to RAILMDOEL" ?????? Ben Hom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: FW: Northwest Short Line going out of business?
Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
I phoned in an order to NWSL last week. Upon inquiry I learned that
NWSL has been sold and that there is an ongoing "transition." Gene Green
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Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
John Hile <john66h@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:
and are certainly needed. Brian, Thanks for all of the great info. You summarized my thoughts on the 70-ton trucks quite well - available 50-ton trucks just don't quite capture the feel of the longer wheelbase, wider bolster, spring spacing, and spring arrangements of the 70-ton versions - at least not to me. Thanks Again, John Hile Blacksburg, VA
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Re: Per Diem
Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
At 11:24 AM 8/22/2008, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:
Per diem in the 1950's was the same for all box cars, and was quiteIn the Simmons-Boardman book "Freight Cars Rolling" by Lawrence Sagle ©1960, an entire chapter is devoted to the per diem issue... (Chapter 3, p61-70) The per diem rate is described as having started-out at $0.20 per day... and was at $2.88 per day by 1960. Failure to report added another 15¢ to 60¢ per day depending on delay. For non- per diem cars, mileage rates of from 0.6¢ to 4¢ per mile were paid, based on car type, with tanks and reefers at the high end of the scale. As far as reporting, Sagle describes four report types, all based on the car waybills: - Wheel Report - per train - Interchange Report - cars exchanged between RRs - Junction Report - foreign cars delivered to another RR (i.e. passing the per diem buck...) - Passing Report - ad hoc tracking of car movements Return loading rules are described as: (in order) - Return to home road (loaded or empty) - Loaded in the direction of the home road - loaded via any route to a destination within, or in the direction of, the "home district" An AAR map of the 23 districts from District 1 (WA-OR-ID) to District 23 (Eastern Canada) is provided, along with several typical forms. ...and I always wondered why railroads had those huge buildings full of clerks! -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
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Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Brian,
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You make them, we WILL buy them! Next question??? Fred Freitas
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net> wrote:
From: Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:15 PM I guess I should respond to the 70-ton truck requests. First of all some typical features of these trucks: Wheel base--5'-8" (versus 5'-6" for 40/50-ton trucks) Journal boxes--6X11' size, minimum 9 5/8" outside width (versus 9" for 50-ton, 5 1/2 X 10" journal) Bolster width--17" (versus 13" for 40/50-ton trucks) This scales out to .046" difference in HO. Spring groups, per sideframe--Conventi onal trucks ( cast steel, U-section with integral journal boxes and spring planks, without the double-truss feature) five springs in a 2-1-2 pattern Increased Spring Capacity trucks (popular in the second half of the 1920s into the early 1930s) Dalman, 7 springs in a 2-3-2 pattern and Symington, 7 springs in a 3-1-3 pattern. Examples of Symington trucks can be seen in Hendrickson' s truck article in RPC #4, photos #15 and 17. The 50-ton version had 6 springs in a 2-1-1-2 pattern. And by the way, the 50-ton photo has Symington's version of lateral motion device, not Barber's. Double Truss trucks (introduced in 1933, I think) 7 springs, in a 3-1-3 pattern. ASF A-3 Ride Control 7 Springs, in a 2-3-2 pattern I think any properly rendered 70-ton truck in HO will look distinctly different from 50-ton trucks, especially with that wider bolster, and are certainly needed. I would like to do both the A-3 and double truss versions, and I feel most of the double truss trucks had spring planks--unless someone can convince me otherwise. Richard has once again commented about many HO trucks having oversize journals. I did some measuring this morning and came up with the following. For comparison, here's the outside width of prototype journal boxes and HO equivalents: 40-ton 8 1/2" .098" 50-ton 9" .103" 70-ton 9 5/8" .111" MDC bettendorf .103" Kadee bettendorf .105" Atlas bettendorf .103" Tichy bettendorf .075" Accurail bettendorf .100" TrueLine Trains bettendorf .112" P2K Spring Plankless .125" P2K National Type B .105" Branchline S-2 .095" InterMountain ASF .105" Kato ASF A-3 .109" TMW Dalman .104" TMW Buckeye ARA .104" All dimensions were measured at front of box.. I'm sticking my neck out on all of this, so would be open to any disagreements Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@ opendoor. com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want? My strong preference would be for those on the Erie gon. The trucks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
Brian, I think you're on to something with the 70-ton trucks. I just built a Sunshine NYC
gondola kit that needed 70-ton trucks with a 3-1-3 spring package. I used a pair of Atlas trucks from a Hart convertible ballast car, adding semi-scale wheels and Kadee brake shoes. However, Atlas doesn't list these as separate parts and they aren't as nice as your trucks anyway. Good luck, Andy
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Re: Per Diem
Steve
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Per diem in the 1950's was the same for all box cars, and was quite low -- IIRC less than $3 a day. Unless the NYSW was a parking lot for offline cars, I doubt they suffered from per diem overhead. After all, if they could move a car across the system in 24 hours, they might avoid having to pay any per diem at all. Tim
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From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca> The Jan., 1953 ORER shows the NYO&W as having 146 cars suitable for
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