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Re: Atlantic & Danville boxcar decals

Charles Hladik
 

Jim,
The old Walther's set #134-11 has the double white circle with Atlantic
& Danville Railway Company within it and the Blue arrow with A&D in it.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756



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Re: PFE Paint Reference, Was Re: PFE reefers

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

In reply to John Golden's message regarding a good color for Daylight Orange, Tony Thompson writes:

It's "Daylight Orange," John, and most of the commercial ones are
pretty decent matches.

True. In fact, since every PFE orange painted on a real car differed after one or two months in service, I try to use every Daylight Orange I can find. I also plan to paint my next Tichy R-40-4 in reefer white to start with. Then I'll probably over paint that with black and then add some dirt color. Only then will I apply UP Armor Yellow. I figure that should give me a good starting place from where to start weathering. No idea what it will look like but I know it will match at least one car in a 1950 train of PFE reefers. No idea what to paint the wheels however. I mean...a sand color from all the...well...sand blowing across WY [ which I still have in some clothes from a 3985 chase in '85...can't bring myself to wash them ] or a grungy black/brown from sitting in a frt yard in Pittsburgh. So...take your pick...there's all kinds of choices.

Mike Brock


Width of Tahoe Model Works trucks

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

Brian,

A discussion came up over on the P:87 list about overly wide model
trucks, and since you have been a busy beaver tooling all sorts of new
trucks, none of which I've actually seen, I'm curious how close to
prototype width over the sideframes you've been able to achieve.

Also, would you care to take a look at something I posted a while back at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Finescale_Truck_Width.htm

And comment? I know some of it is over simplified, but it would seem
to be useful in most applications.

Dennis


Re: PFE reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:
The yellow area aound the reporting marks on the 2 very dirty reefers is rectangular with clean cut edges. I doubt it would look that way if someone rubbed or washed the grime off by hand.
Sometimes a clean area DID have pretty regular edges, but it was also sometimes the case that fresh paint has been sprayed right over the grime. Hard to be sure without a high-resolution image, to look whether corners are sharp or rounded, and edges truly straight.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PFE Paint Reference, Was Re: PFE reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Golden wrote:
While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match so I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?
It's "Daylight Orange," John, and most of the commercial ones are pretty decent matches.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PFE Paint Reference, Was Re: PFE reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

John

Star Brand makes a good PFE color. They make the SP box car red
too, which is the same as PFE brown I think.

I used to use Accupaint CN orange (a very bright orange) and "step"
on it a bit to tone it down. That worked well too. I match to the pages
in Tony's PFE book.

For faded SFRD (Santa Fe) I really like Accupaint MEC Harvest Yellow.
It matches the Intermountain SFRD reefer colors almost perfectly.

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@...>
Gentlemen,

While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match so
I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?

Thank you,
John


PFE Paint Reference, Was Re: PFE reefers

Robert <riverob@...>
 

SP "Daylight Orange" is the same color as the PFE Standard
Refriferator Orange, Color #8. Match your favorite brand to the
color panel in Thompson'e PFE book, p. 419.

Rob Simpson


--- In STMFC@..., "John Golden" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,

While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match
so I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?

Thank you,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


PFE Paint Reference, Was Re: PFE reefers

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

While we're on the subject, can anyone suggest a good paint match so
I can properly finish the PFE wood reefer I have on the workbench?

Thank you,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:
Ed: they were not yellow. Period. The "Daylight Orange"
paint
did weather in the direction of yellow, but the cars were not
wearing
yellow paint. If you'd run your thumbnail over that "yellow"
color,
you
would have seen the deep orange underneath. I've done exactly
that
exercise with some preserved PFE cars.
And as Richard observed, the original colors are VERY
well
documented and have been published in the form of carefully
printed
color panels. What an elderly slide has to do with that somewhat
escapes me.
The original colors are well documented.

I thought prototype modelers wanted to accurately model cars (and
entire trains) as they appeared in service, not as built. Any
group of
cars might have a couple of freshly painted cars but most would be
weathered to varying degrees including paint that shifted color.

Ed


Re: PFE reefers

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@...,
Al Brown wrote:
Without having seen the picture, I infer that the "black" cars were
extra-dirty, and the yellow(-orange) patches around the reporting
marks were where they'd been cleaned for legibility?
Without seeing the photo I'd assume that too.

The yellow area aound the reporting marks on the 2 very dirty reefers
is rectangular with clean cut edges. I doubt it would look that way if
someone rubbed or washed the grime off by hand.

I found something interesting which I hadn't noticed before. Adjacent
to the PFE section there's a second, much smaller "clean" area (maybe
for repack data?) which is orange on one of the cars.

I've asked the editor if I can get a copy of the original.

Ed


Re: Atlantic & Danville boxcar decals

Michael Aufderheide
 

Jim,
 
Al Westerfield has a SU boxcar for the A&D kit # 4151.  Decals can be ordered separately.
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...> wrote:

From: James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Atlantic & Danville boxcar decals
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 8:56 AM






Is anyone aware of a source for HO scale decals for Atlantic & Danville boxcars? I'd like to model one of the boxcars it acquired in the 1950s from the New York Central, using the Sunshine Kit 64.1. A photo of one of the cars is shown in Ted Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Cars Seminar" book.

I've checked the "big 3" as well as the Great Decals web page.

Thanks for any help.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood, MD

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For sale: Storzek kits

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

I have available two Dennis Storzek HO resin kits.

#1916-5B Nickle Plate Road Boxcar (double sheathed, steel door) 11000-
11299 series

#1917-2 Canadian National S.S. Boxcar (wood roof)

$40 each, plus shipping. Will ship to US only.

Although these are early resin kits, I feel that the pattern work and
castings are excellent.

If interested, please contact me OFF-LIST at
b.leppert@...

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Chain storage tubes on ATSF Fe-6,10,14,16,20

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Joseph Jacques <bowie1793@...> wrote:

My question is how many tubes should there be and where would they
be spaced on a fifty foot car of this type? I have the SF Rolling
stock vol. 3 but the closest reference is of an Fe-5, a forty foot
car, on page 51.













Joe,

Auto rack equipped cars typically displayed (in addition to the
horizontal white stripe) a number and letter on the door. For
examples, see p. 67 & 78 of your SF Book for some Fe-20 examples,
showing "12 D" on the door. The "12" represents the number of floor
tubes, and the "D" is the type of rack.

If I find anything definite regarding placement of the tubes I will
post that as well.


Hope this is helpful,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Re: Per Diem

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:

I believe the average "dwell time" for freight cars on the BRC in
the 1950's was over 24 hours. So does this mean they would owe
one day of per diem for each car, because that was their average
delay?
















Tim,

As I understand the rules, the BRC would only pay per diem for the
number of days in excess of the average number it took them to handle
cars. When the average method was used, there was a specific way it
was derived. Data from the same 10-day period of each month, over a
12-month period.

Also, in reviewing the Per Diem code of rules (Rule 5) it looks as
though the number of days of per diem a switching road could reclaim
was also negotiable. In other words, the average method above was one
way to do it...

Another way was for the roads involved to agree to settle based on the
actual amount of time required to switch cars for the period of the
month the reclaim is made, but not to exceed an agreed-upon maximum
number of days on any one car, and also (I believe - lots of commas in
those sentences) not to exceed the maximum of 5 days per car.

There are some exceptions for stock cars, certain empty moves, etc.,
so for more info, if you have an ORER, the Per Diem Rules, Switching
Reclaim Rules, and Short Line (less than 100 mile) Rules are in the
back. In the Jan. 1943 version they are pp 1028-1039, and the Jan.
1953 they are pp 755-770.

BTW, short lines could appeal for relief from paying all per diem
owed. They could get partial relief if the per diem amount was found
to be "excessive compared to remuneration received for services rendered."


John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


DS/SS split 1938 to 1950, IC help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Here are the DS/SS/Steel splits for Illinois Central box and auto
cars, 1938 to 1950:

IC____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____4,242____1,435____1,098____153____65
SS____9,561____9,060____9,334____9,026____8,362
Steel____1,801____8,781____8,745____12,465____12,441
Unknown____1,521____1,012____1____0____0
Total____17,125____20,288____19,178____21,644____20,868

IC____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____24.8%____7.1%____5.7%____0.7%____0.3%
SS____55.8%____44.7%____48.7%____41.7%____40.1%
Steel____10.5%____43.3%____45.6%____57.6%____59.6%
Unknown____8.9%____5.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%

As can be seen, there are a large number of Unknowns in 1938 and
1942. If anyone can tell me the siding type for the following
series, I would greatly appreciate this information. Build or re-
build dates would also be very useful.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
IC, XM, Box, 11000-11344, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 173, NA
IC, XM, Box, 15200-15324, 40'6", 8'7", 6'0", 80000, NA, 124
IC, XM, Box, 170001-170378, 40'6", 8'3.875", 6'0", 80000, 358, NA
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
IC, XM, Box, 38000-38009, 50'5", 10'0.5625", 6'0", 100000, NA, 10
IC, XM, Box, 243001-243500, 40'6", 8'2.5", 6'0", 80000, 376, 365
IC, XA, Auto, 360001-360500, 40'3.75", 10'0", 10'0", 80000, 456, 314
IC, XAR, Auto, 35000-35199, 40'6", 10'0", 12'0", 80000, NA, 199

Thanks in advance
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Atlantic & Danville boxcar decals

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Is anyone aware of a source for HO scale decals for Atlantic & Danville boxcars? I'd like to model one of the boxcars it acquired in the 1950s from the New York Central, using the Sunshine Kit 64.1. A photo of one of the cars is shown in Ted Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Cars Seminar" book.

I've checked the "big 3" as well as the Great Decals web page.

Thanks for any help.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood, MD


Re: Per Diem and the NYO&W

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:


Tim,


Boy, I was having trouble yesterday afternoon! Those figures are
national averages for 1941...not NYO&W figures.


John Hile


Re: Atlantic & Danville boxcar decals

Charles Hladik
 

Jim,
I found my set of O scale A&D decals. They are # 134-11 from Walthers.
So I reckon, lots of luck.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756



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Re: Atlantic & Danville boxcar decals

Charles Hladik
 

Jim,
I have a set of O scale decals for the A&D that James King gave me so
that the NMRA MER might produce a "Regional" car for sale. This hasn't
happened. I'll try to get up with James soon and see who made them for him.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756



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Re: Per Diem and the NYO&W

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Who was feeding NYO&W from the west at Scranton? Lackawanna?

Lehigh Valley, via Austin Junction at the end of the Capouse Branch. The run
was then from Scranton to Maybrook, with traffic thence over the CNE Bridge
to New England via the New Haven (50.5% common stockholder [plus other
holdings in preferred] in the NYO&W and after the Vanderbilt-Mellen-Morgan "Corsair
Agreements").

In Tony Koester's softcover Kalmbach book on planning for realistic
operation he reproduces an image of a routing schedule that includes one of the NYO&W
symbol freights; -- running NKP-LV-NYO&W-NH from the Midwest to New England;
-- an "Alphabet Route."

Mal Houck



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Chain storage tubes on ATSF Fe-6,10,14,16,20

bowie1793
 

Fellow Listers,
                     While starting work on the underframes of my three Sunshine ATSF Fe class "Whale Belly" rebuilds, the instructions make no mention of chain storage tubes in the floor. I am building the auto rack equipped cars. My question is how many tubes should there be and where would they be spaced on a fifty foot car of this type? I have the SF Rolling stock vol. 3 but the closest reference is of an Fe-5, a forty foot car, on page 51.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Joe Jacques 




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