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DS/SS split 1938; "Shorties"; help needed

Larry Kline
 

Form Eric Neubauer, Reading freight Cars, 1900 to 1914, Chapter 9, pp 72-77
All three series below are "Reading standard box cars" which are double sheathed cars with a fishbelly steel center sill

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 454
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Very early intermodal cars - Clejan Spinecar available in N Scale

prbharris
 

Just creeping into the timescales of the group - with one photograph
to my knowledge of these cars being hauled by steam too - we are just
about to release N Scale Kits of the Clejan spine cars. Introduced in
1959, Clejan spine cars were one of three early specific intermodal
methods, after early methods used converted flatcars.

The cars were run by Southern Pacific, New Haven, Erie and KCS. We
have used detailed drawings to produce the cars which will be
available very shortly.

Details are at
http://www.nscalekits.com
http://www.nscalekits.co.uk/clejan_spine_soon.html

The use of the cars was brief - and just out of the steam era; these
early spine cars are a classic transition car.

One of the uses of the cars was to transport autos from the Van Nuys
plant, and a specific autocarrier was developed for this operation.
Just look at those late '50s fins!

Peter

Peter Harris
N Scale Kits
www.nscalekits.com


30-tank helium cars

Adam & Laura Eyring <eyrings06@...>
 

While looking through the archives, I found that we had discussed these cars
around a year ago (I came up on the AHM model at a flea market).

I didn't see this link in the archives, so for those interested, here's a link
to a saved car at the Gulf Coast Railroad Museum:
http://www.kingswayrc.com/gcst/roster/1237.html


Adam


Re: DS/SS split 1938; "Shorties"; help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
GB&W 2752, Mailer, "Green Bay & Western", p231. Double sheathed.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
Thanks, Al

Your identification of the GBW series makes our information complete
for the road. Here is its DS/SS split from 1938 to 1950:

GBW____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____82____43____31____0____0
SS____297____295____294____293____292
Steel____0____0____0____0____0
Other____0____0____0____0____0
Unknown____0____0____0____0____0
Total____379____338____325____293____292

GBW____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____21.6%____12.7%____9.5%____0.0%____0.0%
SS____78.4%____87.3%____90.5%____100.0%____100.0%
Steel____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Other____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Unknown____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Chuck,
I could do that but I need another project like I need another hole in my...
Like the prototype CB&Q, I just use a longer piece of stock to set my fence. Them Iowa farmers were good at improvising.
I really needed to buy the Ch-2 when I decided to bash an original Pullman Kitchen car into the ventless Mail-Baggage car in the Q's 5200 series.I needed the sheetmetal patch panels for the roof and side vents.
I consider it as essential a tool as X-Actos and Nail boards.

Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: RUTLANDRS@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL Chopper


Rob,
Maybe you could drill and tap a few more holes.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756

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Re: DS/SS split 1938; "Shorties"; help needed

al_brown03
 

GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
GB&W 2752, Mailer, "Green Bay & Western", p231. Double sheathed.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: DS/SS split 1938; "Shorties"; help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Ray Breyer identified many of the series I asked about in the
previous message in this thread:

Double sheathed:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
AB&C, VA, Box, 30001-30299, 35'10", 7'7", 5'6", 60000, 111, NA
B&O, XM, Box, 199500-199999, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 112, 4
CGW, XM, Box, 37044-37198, 36'0", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
L&N, XAB, Auto, 48201-48399, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 190, 1
M&STL, XM, Box, 4000-4578, 36'2", 8'9", 6'0", 80000, 152, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 80000-81499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 142, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 82000-84199, 36'0", 7'7", 5'0", 80000, 112, NA
NYC, XAP, Auto, 86500-86549, 36'0", 8'6", 6'0", 80000, 50, 33

Single sheathed:
PS&N, XM, Box, 9900-9949, 36'0", 7'7.5", 5'0", 80000, 50, 44


However, the following series remain Unknown:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
BAR, XM, Box, 8100-8599, 35'10", 7'11", 6'0", 60000, 52, 16
C&EI, XM, Box, 37002-37748, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 160, 17
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14689, 39'10.125", 7'9.75", 5'5.5",80000, 325, 143
CMO, XM, Box, 23000-26978, 36'0", 8'0", 5'0", 80000, 95, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 80000-80499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 61, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 121500-121999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 50, NA
GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 41000-41199, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 55, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 43000-43299, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 219, 40
MC, XM, Box, 27500-27836, 34'4", 7'10", 5'0", 80000, 117, NA
MC, XM, Box, 28000-28499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 143, 1
MEC, XM, Box, 30001-30675, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 229, NA
MEC, XM, Box, 30676-31000, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 146, NA
NC&StL, XM, Box, 12000-12999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 158, NA
NS, XM, Box, 20500-20999, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 255, NA
NS, XM, Box, 21150-21299, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 57, NA
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 45
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7
UP OWR&N, XM, Box, 16000-16157, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 100000, 143, NA
WofA, XM, Box, 900-999, 36'0", 7'10", 6'0", 60000, 89, 20

If anyone knows the sheathing for these cars (double, single, steel,
other) I would appreciate having that information. Build (or
rebuild) dates would also be useful.

Thanks!
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


DS/SS split 1938; "Shorties"; help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Here is the DS/SS/Steel split for box, auto, and ventilator cars in
interchange service for U.S. Class I railroads, from 1938 to 1950:

US____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____306,783____198,251____171,736____83,688____65,645
SS____227,521____213,109____210,559____174,118____162,817
Steel____205,050____318,341____352,267____468,241____477,394
Other____6,922____6,409____5,915____5,571____4,782
Unknown____11,735____4,797____2,763____620____386
Total____758,011____740,907____743,240____732,238____711,024

US____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____40.5%____26.8%____23.1%____11.4%____9.2%
SS____30.0%____28.8%____28.3%____23.8%____22.9%
Steel____27.1%____43.0%____47.4%____63.9%____67.1%
Other____0.9%____0.9%____0.8%____0.8%____0.7%
Unknown____1.5%____0.6%____0.4%____0.1%____0.1%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%

The next tables show the same data for "Shorties", i.e., cars with an
IL less than 40':

IL < 40'____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____133,910____72,631____60,907____25,761____18,151
SS____12,549____9,807____9,036____4,175____3,395
Steel____76____1,035____1,262____1,317____1,297
Other____0____0____0____0____0
Unknown____5,098____1,348____934____73____20
Total____151,633____84,821____72,139____31,326____22,863

IL < 40'____Jan-38____Apr-42____Jan-45____Apr-49____Jul-50
DS____88.3%____85.6%____84.4%____82.2%____79.4%
SS____8.3%____11.6%____12.5%____13.3%____14.8%
Steel____0.1%____1.2%____1.7%____4.2%____5.7%
Other____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%____0.0%
Unknown____3.4%____1.6%____1.3%____0.2%____0.1%
Total____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%____100.0%

Over 40% of the Unknowns in 1938 were "Shorties"; here are most of
these Unknowns:

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1938, Qty 1942
AB&C, VA, Box, 30001-30299, 35'10", 7'7", 5'6", 60000, 111, NA
B&O, XM, Box, 199500-199999, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 112, 4
BAR, XM, Box, 8100-8599, 35'10", 7'11", 6'0", 60000, 52, 16
C&EI, XM, Box, 37002-37748, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 160, 17
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14689, 39'10.125", 7'9.75", 5'5.5",80000, 325, 143
CGW, XM, Box, 37044-37198, 36'0", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
CMO, XM, Box, 23000-26978, 36'0", 8'0", 5'0", 80000, 95, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 80000-80499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 61, NA
ERIE, XM, Box, 121500-121999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 50, NA
GBW, XM, Box, 2600-2798, 39'10.125", 8'0", 5'6", 80000, 82, 43
IC, XM, Box, 227801-228000, 36'4.5", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 158, NA
L&N, XAB, Auto, 48201-48399, 36'0", 8'0", 10'0", 80000, 190, 1
M&O, XM, Box, 41000-41199, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 55, NA
M&O, XM, Box, 43000-43299, 36'0.5", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 219, 40
M&STL, XM, Box, 4000-4578, 36'2", 8'9", 6'0", 80000, 152, NA
MC, XM, Box, 27500-27836, 34'4", 7'10", 5'0", 80000, 117, NA
MC, XM, Box, 28000-28499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 143, 1
MEC, XM, Box, 30001-30675, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 229, NA
MEC, XM, Box, 30676-31000, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 146, NA
NC&StL, XM, Box, 12000-12999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 60000, 158, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 80000-81499, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 142, NA
NKP, XM, Box, 82000-84199, 36'0", 7'7", 5'0", 80000, 112, NA
NS, XM, Box, 20500-20999, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 255, NA
NS, XM, Box, 21150-21299, 36'0", 7'8", 6'0", 60000, 57, NA
NYC, XAP, Auto, 86500-86549, 36'0", 8'6", 6'0", 80000, 50, 33
PS&N, XM, Box, 9900-9949, 36'0", 7'7.5", 5'0", 80000, 50, 44
RDG, XM, Box, 15700-15999, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 100, 19
RDG, XM, Box, 17500-18479, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 381, 45
RDG, XM, Box, 18500-18699, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 80000, 67, 7
UP OWR&N, XM, Box, 16000-16157, 36'0", 8'0", 6'0", 100000, 143, NA
WofA, XM, Box, 900-999, 36'0", 7'10", 6'0", 60000, 89, 20

If anyone can identify the sheathing type for the above Unknowns
(double sheathed, single sheathed, steel, other), I would very much
appreciate having this information.

Thanks in advance,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: New Tahoe Model Works HO Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

I am reminded that the TMW trucks are designed to take the Intermountain metal wheelsets, both the "Fat Wheel" or the semi-scale code 88 wheel.

I can be contacted off-list at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

I have had multiple requests for a "Sampler Pack"
of Tahoe Model Works trucks.
I am making the following offer to readers of this list.

1 pair of Dalmann 2 level "plain" trucks
1 pair of Dalmann 2 level lateral motion trucks
1 pair of Bettendorf Swing motion caboose trucks
1 pair of Barber-Bettendorf SM caboose trucks
1 pair of Buckeye spring plank 50T trucks

5 pairs of trucks LESS wheelsets

Priced at $16.00, shipping included


New Tahoe Model Works HO Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

I have had multiple requests for a "Sampler Pack" of Tahoe Model Works trucks.
I am making the following offer to readers of this list.

1 pair of Dalmann 2 level "plain" trucks
1 pair of Dalmann 2 level lateral motion trucks
1 pair of Bettendorf Swing motion caboose trucks
1 pair of Barber-Bettendorf SM caboose trucks
1 pair of Buckeye spring plank 50T trucks

5 pairs of trucks LESS wheelsets

Priced at $16.00, shipping included

Contact me off-list (Please) if interested.
Thanks,
-Andy


Re: Type D and E couplers

water.kresse@...
 

Guy,

Did the Type E coupler allow for any more vertical mis-match or relative movement? . . . or did you have to jump to the Type F coupler for that on longer cars?

Another interesting source of info would be OBSOLETED FC Diag Shts from the mid-1950s. If 1920s built cars still had Type Ds, it could be a contributing factor to their retirements.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: guycwilber@...
In a message dated 9/1/2008 3:31:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
stevelucas3@... writes:

Likely you are aware that NMRA data sheet D9p has a short write-up on
MCB/AAR coupler contours and couplers, including mention of the MCB
type D, given in the data sheet as being designed in 1904, made AAR
standard in 1918, and allowed for use in new construction until the
Type E was approved as AAR standard in 1932.

The Type D coupler was adopted as "standard" by the MCBA in 1916. The
modified contour (No. 10) with a 6" x 8" shank Type D was adopted as "standard" in
1918. The Type E coupler was presented to the ARA's membership for adoption
as "standard" (via letter ballot) in 1931. The ballot passed and the Type E
replaced the Type D effective March 1, 1932.

The Type E was required (in interchange) on all cars built new on or after
August 1, 1933 and on all cars rebuilt on or after August 1, 1937. Type D
couplers cast after August 1, 1936 were prohibited on all cars (in interchange)
as of January 1, 1937.

Exceptions within the Interchange Rules covering the installation of
couplers are numerous from the mid 1930s thru the 1950s. The exceptions generally
centered on the structural limitations of early car construction which would
not allow couplers with larger shanks to be applied to cars when rebuilt or
repaired.

Does anyone have an AAR Field Manual of the Interchange Rules for 1956
that can answer if Type D couplers were legal for interchange at that
time?

The Type D was still permitted in interchange thru 1960 the final year we
focus on here.


Regards,

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI

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Re: GN frt cars in interchange

Charles Morrill
 

While at lunch yesterday, I noticed the restaurant had a large print of one of Link's? famous N&W night photos on the wall. This is the one taken from a drive-in movie theater of a N&W articulated crossing behind the movie screen. The point here for this thread is the boxcar behind the water tender just coming out from behind the screen (which is showing a jet plane) is one of the GN boxcars with orange painted sides and black or dark green lettering. Judging from the autos in the drive-in, this photo is from the mid to late fifties.
Charlie


Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Bruce Smith
 

On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:36 PM, Jason Sanford wrote:

For some reason my Chopper 2 does not cut very square and it is brand new. Anyone else have this problem? It really stands out on larger stock.

Jason Sanford
Jason,

The Chopper 2 will not cut thick stock straight because the razor blade used does have some flexibility. One way to deal with this is to cut part way through the stock and then rotate it and cut the rest of the way. This problem is exacerbated with a dull blade (but since you said brand new, I doubt that is the problem).

Regards
Bruce

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Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Charles Hladik
 

Rob,
Maybe you could drill and tap a few more holes.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756



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GN frt cars in interchange

Robert kirkham
 

Another from my notes: July 1, 1925 Dave Shaw Collection - ?C.R. Littlebury photo?- CPR, Vancouver, B.C., N-yard, shows end of GN211467 - double sheathed car.

Rob Kirkham


Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Stokes John
 

Bill,

You may not have heard this, but it has been discussed on other groups and NWSL has been sold to Oso Publishing and etc. makers of several HO and O scale kits, and railroad book publisher, and is is being said that the new owner intends to keep the NWSL product line intact. He is moving the production and inventory to their headquarters in Montana from Seattle.


While I would doubt that a successful product like the chopper II would be discontinued, I would recommend anyone interested in its continuance contact Oso directly.
John Stokes
Bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@...: robev1630@...: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:21:59 -0500Subject: Re: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Bill,I totally agree. I have had the Chopper 1 and 2. The 2 is much better but I wish it had more holes for the clamps. I have been using mine to true up the sides of the 1/2 boxcar ends used on the 2 Sunshine ATSF GA-6 & 8 gons I have just built. Sincerely,Rob Manley----- Original Message ----- From: lnbill To: STMFC@... Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:44 PMSubject: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL ChopperI just finished scratch building "board by board" a double-board roof using the latest version of Northwest Shortline's "Chopper" and it is so much better than the original. The new version has an easily replaceable rubber mat which is important since it will eventually become scored by the blade. Just as significant to me the blade of the single razorblade is held much more rigidly, resulting in a cut that much more square on the end.I mention all of this as NWSL is up for sale and as we are learning, things change when this happens, including things disappearing altogether.Bill Welch


GN frt cars in interchange

Robert kirkham
 

GN76001 filled with scrap steel rod in Drake St. yard, CPR, Vancouver, B.C. July 10, 1947 (does that 5 digit number make sense? or do I need to go check the photo?)

Rob Kirkham


Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

For some reason my Chopper 2 does not cut very square and it is brand new.  Anyone else have this problem?  It really stands out on larger stock.
 
Jason Sanford






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Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Bill,
I totally agree. I have had the Chopper 1 and 2. The 2 is much better but I wish it had more holes for the clamps.
I have been using mine to true up the sides of the 1/2 boxcar ends used on the 2 Sunshine ATSF GA-6 & 8 gons I have just built.

Sincerely,
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL Chopper


I just finished scratch building "board by board" a double-board roof
using the latest version of Northwest Shortline's "Chopper" and it is
so much better than the original. The new version has an easily
replaceable rubber mat which is important since it will eventually
become scored by the blade. Just as significant to me the blade of the
single razorblade is held much more rigidly, resulting in a cut that
much more square on the end.

I mention all of this as NWSL is up for sale and as we are learning,
things change when this happens, including things disappearing
altogether.

Bill Welch


Re: colors for Great Northern . . .

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rod Miller wrote:
I don't know whether you were attempting to provide a complete list of paints that match Dark Olive . . .
No, just intending to provide examples, and especially to make people aware that some of the military paints are quite close.

In the event that you were, you forgot to mention PBL's Star Brand paint "UP/SP/Rio Grande Dark Olive". I haven't tested it, and wonder if anyone has.
Thanks for the reminder. The PBL color is superbly accurate, maybe no surprise since they had access to an SP paint chip to match.

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