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Re: Stockcar Photos Uploaded

Charlie Vlk
 

The Illinois Railway Museum has restored ATSF 60394 and it is in like new condition (no loads yet).
IIRC it has the toehold holes in the ends.
Charlie Vlk


http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?freight=Atchison+Topeka+&+Santa+Fe+Railroad=60394


Re: WP Gondolas 6501-6600

George Hollwedel
 

We are talking about 52' 6" gons built in 1945. It seems to pre-date the aluminum lettering.

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/sr-0806-hollwedelATSF.php
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSP50SDBoxN.htm
www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollATSFExpressN.htm

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@att.net> wrote:

From: Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@att.net>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] WP Gondolas 6501-6600
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:21 AM
There always seems to be a debate about when WP lettering
was Silver....
Anyway, Jim Eager's book on WP equipment says the 1949
gons were the first
w/ Silver lettering. Whether that's first gons or
first freight cars isn't
stated (I think gons) but either way it makes the case for
the 45' gon
lettering being white.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
I'm looking for information about the 1945 "as
delivered" appearance of
these cars. I'm assuming they were deliverd with white
lettering. I've
only seen two photos and they are both in service and
repainted with yellow
lettering. Any help or pointers to help would be
appreciated.


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Re: PSC Hose Brackets

Frank Greene
 

pierreoliver2003 wrote:
Do we have a web link for PSC?
PIerre Oliver

http://www.precisionscaleco.com/

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: WP Gondolas 6501-6600

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dave,

I think you probably have it right. WP lettering through most of the 1940s was white. The confusion comes from documents that refer to this paint as "aluminum", which was the pigment base only, not the color. AFAIK, Jim Eager is correct. The change came to aluminum/silver as a color came in 1949 with gondolas 6601-6800, which coincided with the launch of the California Zephyr passenger train. The paint still had an aluminum base, but now looked the part.

Most model manufacturers seem to have gotten this wrong. My example of the WP 6601-class gondolas (LifeLike Proto 2000 kit 21475) has white lettering, which definitely should be silver, though they did a nice job on the little orange triangles. Roundhouse 50-foot wooden boxcars 2141 and 2151 came with silver lettering, which should probably have been white (most were retired by the mid-1950s). Even Martin Loftin (Sunshine) offered WP 16001-18500 wooden boxcars with silver lettering as kits 59.3 and 59.4, and WP 14301-14540 rebuilt steel boxcars with silver lettering as 64.17 and 64.19. Either class in silver lettering would have been extremely rare. The WP was a very parsimonious railroad, and usually didn't repaint older cars unless they were wreck rebuilds. And don't get me started on Intermountain and their transgressions!

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff / WP modeler deluxe



Dave Nelson wrote:

There always seems to be a debate about when WP lettering was Silver....
Anyway, Jim Eager's book on WP equipment says the 1949 gons were the first
w/ Silver lettering. Whether that's first gons or first freight cars isn't
stated (I think gons) but either way it makes the case for the 45' gon
lettering being white.

Dave Nelson


Re: WP Gondolas 6501-6600

Dave Nelson
 

There always seems to be a debate about when WP lettering was Silver....
Anyway, Jim Eager's book on WP equipment says the 1949 gons were the first
w/ Silver lettering. Whether that's first gons or first freight cars isn't
stated (I think gons) but either way it makes the case for the 45' gon
lettering being white.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
I'm looking for information about the 1945 "as delivered" appearance of
these cars. I'm assuming they were deliverd with white lettering. I've
only seen two photos and they are both in service and repainted with yellow
lettering. Any help or pointers to help would be appreciated.


Re: Stockcar Photos Uploaded

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Al,

That door at the top of the end was called a drover's door, and its purpose was to let
stockmen accompanying a shipment look in to see if the animals were okay. Later classes of
similar cars -- and there were a lot of them -- came with toe holes cut into the end siding
below the drover's door. The Sk-Q class of 250 cars (ATSF 68600-68849) was built in 1928
by the Pennsylvania Car Co. (of Kansas City!).

So long,

Andy


Re: PSC Hose Brackets

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Do we have a web link for PSC?
PIerre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tom Lawler <tjlawler@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I ordered and received a bunch of the new PSC Hose Brackets after
hearing about them on this list. I was really hoping they looked
good
since I ordered them sight-unseen. Yesterday I put my first set
onto a
car I was building and I think they look great. It took some slow
drilling open up the casting where the U bolt attaches the air hose
to
the bracket but I managed to eventually get a #76 hole drilled. I
also
managed to get a plastic (Detail Associates I think) air hose
attached.

All-in-all very nice looking and a part that was sorely needed for
us
guys who hate the look of Kadee trip pins. I forget who was
mentioned
about working with PSC to get this part done but a big THANK YOU to
you.
There are 8 castings in a package.

Tom Lawler




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ADMIN: STMFC Photos

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bob Anson asks:

"is it ok to post in photo section pictures of painted models?"

Definitely. In fact, as of today, photos are not to be placed in the file space...only in the photo space. In the future we will move any photos in the file space to the photo space.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


PSC Hose Brackets

Tom Lawler
 

Hi all,

I ordered and received a bunch of the new PSC Hose Brackets after hearing about them on this list. I was really hoping they looked good since I ordered them sight-unseen. Yesterday I put my first set onto a car I was building and I think they look great. It took some slow drilling open up the casting where the U bolt attaches the air hose to the bracket but I managed to eventually get a #76 hole drilled. I also managed to get a plastic (Detail Associates I think) air hose attached.

All-in-all very nice looking and a part that was sorely needed for us guys who hate the look of Kadee trip pins. I forget who was mentioned about working with PSC to get this part done but a big THANK YOU to you. There are 8 castings in a package.

Tom Lawler




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question...

Bob Anson
 

is it ok to post in photo section pictures of painted models?
thanks

Bob Anson %~)


Re: Stockcar Photos Uploaded

water.kresse@...
 

Good pictures. On the last end view, was there a ventilation door up under the peak of the roof?

Approximate build date of the car?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks. I had seen photos before and was planning on stopping by next week to get detail photos. Lettering is not good, but it is an ATSF SK-Q
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: John Strenski
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Stockcar Photos Uploaded

Hello Group:

Buddy of mine shot photos of restored ATSF stockcar #68600 located on
the old MKT Tin Can Line.

Not sure if this car is correct or not, but figured folks might enjoy
seeing it.

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=35684

Take care.

John
WF TX


Re: Intermountain MILW Rib Side Boxcars

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

The IM cars are the later ribside 40' cars with the ribs on the sides stopping short of the ladders and grabs. Sunshine did not model these particular cars, while Ribside cars did, and still does.

The IM cars underwent a very severe critique on this list. However, the most severely critical and exacting Milwaukee prototype freight car modeler that I know, MIke Falletti, feels that the STMFC crtitique is seriously overstated, and that although there are indeed flaws that should have been caught, they are not fatal (Mike models the MIlwaukee after 1960). Other MIlwaukee modelers have expressed similar sentiments.

MIke has actually inspected and measured in detail two extant prototype ribside cars of these series, and in particular notes that the champfered ends of the car-end corrugations featured on the model (and so scorned in the critique) are indeed exactly what is featured on the existing prototypes.

Mike's criticism of the Ribside Models cars, in turn, is fairly severe primarily also because of the ends- which he feels are pretty crudely done (the corrugations appear to be "flattened"), and in this regard he has gone to the trouble of substituting the Sunshine ends.

Nothing is perfect, but one can always hope.

Denny




Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Re: Intermountain MILW Rib Side Boxcars

ken_olson54022 <kwolson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

I looked in the archives and did not find a summary describing the
quality and correctness of the Intermountain MILW rib side boxcars. How
does it compared to the more recent offerings from Rib Side Cars and the
kits from Sunshine Models?

If there is a good summary, can someone point me to the message numbers.
Start here. Make sure you've got a comfortable chair and lots of
time....... :-)
Message #71779

Ken Olson


Intermountain MILW Rib Side Boxcars

rwitt_2000
 

I looked in the archives and did not find a summary describing the
quality and correctness of the Intermountain MILW rib side boxcars. How
does it compared to the more recent offerings from Rib Side Cars and the
kits from Sunshine Models?

If there is a good summary, can someone point me to the message numbers.

Thanks,

Bob Witt


Re: Stockcar Photos Uploaded

Steve SANDIFER
 

Thanks. I had seen photos before and was planning on stopping by next week to get detail photos. Lettering is not good, but it is an ATSF SK-Q
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: John Strenski
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Stockcar Photos Uploaded


Hello Group:

Buddy of mine shot photos of restored ATSF stockcar #68600 located on
the old MKT Tin Can Line.

Not sure if this car is correct or not, but figured folks might enjoy
seeing it.

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=35684

Take care.

John
WF TX


Stockcar Photos Uploaded

John Strenski
 

Hello Group:

Buddy of mine shot photos of restored ATSF stockcar #68600 located on
the old MKT Tin Can Line.

Not sure if this car is correct or not, but figured folks might enjoy
seeing it.

http://soo2408.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=35684

Take care.

John
WF TX


WP Gondolas 6501-6600

George Hollwedel
 

I'm looking for information about the 1945 "as delivered" appearance of these cars. I'm assuming they were deliverd with white lettering. I've only seen two photos and they are both in service and repainted with yellow lettering. Any help or pointers to help would be appreciated.

George

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/sr-0806-hollwedelATSF.php
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSP50SDBoxN.htm
www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollATSFExpressN.htm


WPM Photos Posted

dh30973 <76523.1060@...>
 

My WPM meet photos are at

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm08&page=all

Dave Hussey


Re: Midland Valley composite open hopper

proto48er
 

Guys -

Before this topic fades away, I wanted to point out a small error in
the MM plans and the PSC "O" scale model. The 1943 CBC does have the
correct general elevation and cross sectional drawings for these
cars. Careful examination of the two vertical side stakes adjacent
to the center stake on both the CBC drawing and the MP prototype cars
shows them to be a Z-brace and an angle brace riveted together, and
not a bulb brace like the remainder of the braces on the sides of the
car. They are riveted at the "web". Actually, the Z and angle
sandwich the interior bracing plate which passes through the "wood"
sides. You really have to look hard at the photos to notice this,
and be somewhat anal to include it in a model.

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

David Snook wrote:
"I am trying to find more information on Midland Valley open hoppers
in the series 9000-9024. Have plans of these cars ever been
published
(the AAR design, not specifically the MV cars)? I would like to
model
several of these cars in HO."

The January 1986 issue of Mainline Modeler had a prototype article
on
N&W Class H-4 triples by Roy Hurlbut with plans by Bob Hundman.
Additionally, if you're interested in building these cars, you
might
want to get a copy of John Munson's article in the February 1986
issue
of Mainline Modeler, where he kitbashed a model of this car from
two
Athearn War Emergency twins. While the kitbash ended up being more
involved than simply cutting and splicing two kit bodies together,
it's
very creative modeling that's well worth reading.
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2091.jpeg


Ben Hom


Re: ATLAS 1932 ARA BOX CAR

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Hope to see some comments soon on the accuracy of these models, so
that I can make an informed purchase (or not) at my LHS.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...> wrote:

--- Stan Jones wrote:

The Atlas web site says the container with the 1932 ARA cars
was shipped August 4 (I assume from China). The Atlas shipping
date
and At Dealer date are currently blank. The whole list is at
http://www.atlasrr.com/ordership.htm.
=================================


It looks like this container has arrived. The calendar indicates
that
Atlas has started shipping these models today. I am looking forward
to
buying a few of these at my LHS.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.

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