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Re: Why seal the left door?

rwitt_2000
 

Elden Gatwood replied:


I have also heard of cases in which auxiliary doors were sealed to
just rid
the RR of the need to maintain the door, although I have never seen
actual
documentation of this. I am told the X28 was one example of this, and
they
were later converted to single-door cars (and re-classed X28A) by
removing
the aux door and putting in replacement panels.

Dean Payne asked:

... I read a caption that stated
the left door was sealed shut. This is not all that unusual, from
what I read, but it suddenly struck me: why? What would be the
advantage? In a couple of cases at least, I think they had interior
racks for auto parts, so that could be one explanation. Are there any
other reasons? I'm not talking about where they replaced a half-door
with siding, but rather sealed the left door shut.
The B&O had a lot of "automobile" boxcars with the auxiliary door
"permanently fastened". The B&O did this for their class M-27, very
similar to the PRRX28. I always assumed, as you both have stated, this
was done when the cars received racks for automobile parts. I now
speculate that if a staggered door boxcar were assigned to general
merchandise service many other "loads" would require just the center
doors for access and fastening the aux door would offer more protection
for the loads. Boxcars carried all sort of crates, boxes, bricks, bulk
grains, etc. and many other items that required protection from the
weather.

An exception to this assumption is the fact that the B&O ran some M-27
in their as-built configuration with their auxiliary door still operable
until scraped. Did the PRR retain any original X28 or were all converted
to X28A?

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Running board question

Matt S.
 

Morton and US Gypsum too...

Matt Sugerman

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Apex (grid style)


Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a GN 12
panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???

Thanks,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft Worth, TX


Re: Tank cars at Capitol Refining

Bruce Smith
 

On Sep 15, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Mike Calvert wrote:

Scott Pitzer posted this link:

C.R.W.X. (animal and vegetable oils) tank cars, 1925-- Washington D.C.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/4310?size=_original

Can someone please identify the various tank cars?
Mike Calvert
Mike,

I'll give it a shot

- the two cars coupled together - look like early AC&F type 11s (note, no safety valves?) Spotting features include the channel "in" side sill (normally a sure sign of a UTL car, but also present on AC&F Type 7, 11, and 17), single row of rivets on tank sections and the handrail with corner stanchions (marking it as "early").

- the car in front (CRWX 284) and the car by the water tower - UTL built (type X) Spotting features include the somewhat higher running board and those great sill steps!

- the very dirty car coupled to CRWX 284 looks like it might be another AC&F type 11?

Regards
Bruce

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Coal car heap calculations

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Folks,

I don't know if this group has had this discussion in the past. In
looking at C&O, N&W, and Virginian freight car diagram sheets I have
noticed two descriptions of heaping on coal cars -- 10" and 30 degree.
The end section drawing of the 30 degree heaped cars seems to show more
coal heaped up. All these railroads used 54-55 pounds per cubic bulk
density for their tonnage calculations. I'm not really looking for a
geometry class, but a history as to why 10" or 30 degrees and did they,
in actually practices, in the 1920s thru the 1950s (pre-flood loading),
load FB or HB gondolas any differently . . . . and did their heap
criteria affect if they equipped their cars with end-extensions or
not? If a tipple loaded both N&W and C&O 55-ton cars, would the shape
of the coal profile in the cars be any different by railroad? Yes,
I've seen images of C&O high-sided gons in WV loaded up with large
lumps of stoker coal right up to a peak much higher than 10".

Al Kresse
Romeo, Michigan


Re: Why seal the left door?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dean;



The folks that do TKM are always glad to hear that you like it. Thanks!



You answered your own question. In that particular case, it was because the
car had racks (for auto parts) installed all the way to the center door.



I have also heard of cases in which auxiliary doors were sealed to just rid
the RR of the need to maintain the door, although I have never seen actual
documentation of this. I am told the X28 was one example of this, and they
were later converted to single-door cars (and re-classed X28A) by removing
the aux door and putting in replacement panels.



The X37B was a very cool freight car.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dean
Payne
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Why seal the left door?



Reading the latest TKM (thanks, guys!), I read a caption that stated
the left door was sealed shut. This is not all that unusual, from
what I read, but it suddenly struck me: why? What would be the
advantage? In a couple of cases at least, I think they had interior
racks for auto parts, so that could be one explanation. Are there any
other reasons? I'm not talking about where they replaced a half-door
with siding, but rather sealed the left door shut.

Dean Payne


Tank cars at Capitol Refining

Mike Calvert
 

Scott Pitzer posted this link:

C.R.W.X. (animal and vegetable oils) tank cars, 1925-- Washington D.C.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/4310?size=_original

Can someone please identify the various tank cars?
Mike Calvert


Re: mystery box car

rwitt_2000
 

Ted Culotta wrote:

Tim,

It's a KCS 50' AAR box car with P-S proprietary ends and roof, and a
9' door opening (8' door plus a small add-on.) Note, that the cars
(and doors) were built this way, not modified. The cars were KCS
36001-36200 and L&A 25100-25299, both built by P-S in 1941.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road
Guilford, CT 06437
(203) 453-6174
info@...




I recall there was an article and drawings in Mainline Modeler about the
KCS 50-ft cars. Some apparently were assigned to "express boxcar
service". There are photos of the express cars in RP Cyc volume 8.

The B&O had similar cars built by P-S in 1941 using essentially the same
roof and ends on their class M-55A, 465000-465899 and M-55B,
465900-465999 40-ft cars, and the class M-57 386000-386149 50-ft
double-door automobile cars, M-57A 295600-295649 with Evans auto
loaders, and M-57B 292000-292049 with end doors . The M-55 had to
satisfy the B&O height restrictions so the roof panels under the lateral
running boards were recessed. The class M-57 had an IH of 10'-6". Of
course, all these B&O boxcars had Duryea underframes.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: mystery box car

Dave Nelson
 

Negative. It's a NC&STL Fowler boxcar, modeled in HO by Westerfield kit
4355:
http://www.westerfield.biz/4355_66690.htm
Ben Hom
------------------------------------


And if you look at the original image you can read "The Dixie Line" in the
black area. And, FWIW, the original image has two more cars to the right of
the MP car in the foreground... with all the tracks behind it, of course.
Lots more cars. :0) It can be found a the library of congress.

Dave Nelson


Re: mystery box car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And if you look at the original image you can read "The Dixie Line" in the
black area

Dave Nelson

Welllll . . . . now that I know what it says, yes, I can, uh, make it out.

SGL


Re: Running board question

Tim O'Connor
 

Apex (grid style)

Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a GN 12
panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???

Thanks,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft Worth, TX


Re: mystery box car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"The car to the left of Tim's object of curiosity . . . is that a NYC
car? That looks sort of like the NYC oval, but it's not truly
clear . . ."
http://www.shorpy.com/node/2729?size=_original

Negative. It's a NC&STL Fowler boxcar, modeled in HO by Westerfield
kit 4355:
http://www.westerfield.biz/4355_66690.htm


Ben Hom


Re: mystery box car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The car to the left of Tim's object of curiosity . . . is that a NYC car? That looks sort of like
the NYC oval, but it's not truly clear . . .

http://www.shorpy.com/node/2729?size=_original

And Shorpy, being oriented toward people and kind of missing the point of the photo, at least for
us, talks about the track gang "taking up track." Looks like they are removing a switch. Right?

SGL

Tim,

It's a KCS 50' AAR box car with P-S proprietary ends and roof, and a
9' door opening (8' door plus a small add-on.) Note, that the cars
(and doors) were built this way, not modified. The cars were KCS
36001-36200 and L&A 25100-25299, both built by P-S in 1941.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road
Guilford, CT 06437
(203) 453-6174
info@... <mailto:info%40speedwitch.com>


Re: mystery box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Ted. Neat car.

At 9/14/2008 06:12 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim,

It's a KCS 50' AAR box car with P-S proprietary ends and roof, and a
9' door opening (8' door plus a small add-on.) Note, that the cars
(and doors) were built this way, not modified. The cars were KCS
36001-36200 and L&A 25100-25299, both built by P-S in 1941.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: mystery box car

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

Tim,

It's a KCS 50' AAR box car with P-S proprietary ends and roof, and a
9' door opening (8' door plus a small add-on.) Note, that the cars
(and doors) were built this way, not modified. The cars were KCS
36001-36200 and L&A 25100-25299, both built by P-S in 1941.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road
Guilford, CT 06437
(203) 453-6174
info@...


Re: mystery box car

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Tim,

Is it a PS-0 though? It looks like a fifty foot car with an 8' door. Compare it to the other cars around it and it looks much longer - like about 10' <g>.

Robert Bogie

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: [STMFC] mystery box car


http://www.shorpy.com/node/2729?size=_original

The box car -- that welded, "PS-0" style box car with the
open door. The word "Southern" can be seen. The door looks
like it's larger than 6' but I never heard of a "PS-0" w/
a door opening larger than 6'.. Anyone know?

Tim O'Connor


mystery box car

Tim O'Connor
 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/2729?size=_original

The box car -- that welded, "PS-0" style box car with the
open door. The word "Southern" can be seen. The door looks
like it's larger than 6' but I never heard of a "PS-0" w/
a door opening larger than 6'.. Anyone know?

Tim O'Connor


FS: 1943 CBC

Dave Nelson
 

New this afternoon. Don't know seller. Good price, IMO.
=======
1. 1943 Car Builders' Cyclopedia of American practice: Sixteenth edition.,

, 1943 HARDCOVER NO DJ COVER HAS WEAR STAMP INSIDE BOOK CLEAN PAGES 1324
PAGES OUT OF PRINT<<<
Bookseller: BOOKS ON THE RUN, GAINESVILLE, FL
Price: US$ 119.95

Book can be located on ABEBooks.com
======
Dave Nelson


Capitol Refining Co. at Shorpy

Scott Pitzer
 

C.R.W.X. (animal and vegetable oils) tank cars, 1925-- Washington D.C.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/4310?size=_original

Scott Pitzer


Re: MP 1932 ARA Cars

George Hollwedel
 

Wow, Great Ed, Thanks so much!

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--- On Sat, 9/13/08, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

From: Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MP 1932 ARA Cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 10:08 AM
On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:38 AM, George Hollwedel wrote:

In looking at Ted Culotta's great book I see shots
of MP, I-GN and
NOT&M cars repainted in the "Route of the
Eagles" scheme. Does anyone
have a shot of a Missouri-Illinois car repainted with
the slogan?
There is one angled shot on page 154 of an M-I car end
and it looks to
me like the end marks could be "MIL", Can
someone confirm this?

George,
The M-I box cars were the only Missouri Pacific subsidiary
that did not
receive "Route of the Eagles" slogans. The reason
is that there were no
passenger trains traveling on M-I trackage from 6/49 when
the slogans
were first applied to MoPac's freight cars. The end
reporting marks
were "MO-ILL" stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins







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Re: MP 1932 ARA Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 13, 2008, at 6:38 AM, George Hollwedel wrote:

In looking at Ted Culotta's great book I see shots of MP, I-GN and
NOT&M cars repainted in the "Route of the Eagles" scheme. Does anyone
have a shot of a Missouri-Illinois car repainted with the slogan?
There is one angled shot on page 154 of an M-I car end and it looks to
me like the end marks could be "MIL", Can someone confirm this?
George,
The M-I box cars were the only Missouri Pacific subsidiary that did not
receive "Route of the Eagles" slogans. The reason is that there were no
passenger trains traveling on M-I trackage from 6/49 when the slogans
were first applied to MoPac's freight cars. The end reporting marks
were "MO-ILL" stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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