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The Postwar Freight Car Fleet 3rd printing

bobgang@...
 

Some of you may already be aware of this, but got a newsletter from the
Kalmbach Memorial Library indicating that a third run of the Larry Kline and Ted
Culotta book has been made and is available (maybe as a Christmas present?) from
the Library for NMRA member price of $49.95 or non-member price of $64.95
plus US shipping of $8.95 per volume. TN residents add your sales tax.
Orders will be taken at NMRA HQ in Chattanooga, call 423-892-2846 or go
online at _www.nmra.org_ (http://www.nmra.org) .

Thought I would pass it along for any interest.
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Re: Early train length laws

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"Nope. I get mail in "plain text" and it's still full of question
marks."

Brian is correct - it's a result of AOL formatting at the SENDER, not
the recipient.


Ben Hom


Re: Early train length laws

armprem
 

This thread should be considered out of scope and be directed to OPS.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: <bflynn562@aol.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Early train length laws


Not sure how all the question marks ended up in my post.? There is no date for the maximum train lengths but I can give you the following information:?
C&O?lines north? 160
C&O lines south? 175
N&W 175
Virginian? 175

Brian Flynn



-----Original Message-----
From: water.kresse@comcast.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Early train length laws



Brian,

That sounds like a great booklet!

I would be interested in the 1921 data which would be applicable to the
purchasing by C&O/N&W/Virginian of Hi Capy Gons in that era and did any of the
railroads have voluntary limits WAY BACK THEN.

Many thanks,

Al Kresse

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Re: Early train length laws

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
Brian: The question marks are a by product of AOL's email program. If I recall correctly it is a by product of their HTML set up. If you switch to plain text it should be eliminated.
Nope. I get mail in "plain text" and it's still full of question marks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ADMIN: Re: George Hollwedel has invited you to join Friendster

Clark Cooper
 

Mike,

Just so everybody knows... these are usually not intentional. It's a form of viral marketing. When a person signs up for the Friendster (or similar) social web service, it grabs their address book, sent message address list, whatever else, and spams out invitations to every address it can find on that person's computer. Supposedly, the person signing up can opt to disallow this. But, it's been known to happen regardless of their choice.

I can't offer advice on how to deal with it on the STMFC list, other than what you mention below.

-Clark Cooper

On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

George Hollwedel's Friendster message is clearly out of scope. Be warned
that such messages will get you significant time in Moderate Jail....or
worse.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Early train length laws

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Brian: The question marks are a by product of AOL's email program. If I
recall correctly it is a by product of their HTML set up. If you switch to
plain text it should be eliminated.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: <bflynn562@aol.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Early train length laws


Not sure how all the question marks ended up in my post.? There is no date
for the maximum train lengths but I can give you the following information:?
C&O?lines north? 160
C&O lines south? 175
N&W 175
Virginian? 175

Brian Flynn



-----Original Message-----
From: water.kresse@comcast.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Early train length laws



Brian,

That sounds like a great booklet!

I would be interested in the 1921 data which would be applicable to the
purchasing by C&O/N&W/Virginian of Hi Capy Gons in that era and did any of
the
railroads have voluntary limits WAY BACK THEN.

Many thanks,

Al Kresse

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Re: Early train length laws

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

A 1936 ETT for the Canada Division of the NYC has restrictions on
train length when cars with K brakes were handled.

Steve Lucas.

when cars in it had K brakes--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "devansprr"
<devans1@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al.kresse" <water.kresse@> wrote:

Folks,

Maybe this a new subject?

Do we have any information on State Legist's attempting to
mandate
maximum number of freight cars allowed per train?

Andrew Dow's great N&W Coal Car book refers to that being a
driving
reason for building 120-ton and 90-ton "Battleship Gons" in the
late
teens and early twenties. Do we have copies of specific proposed
rules?

Were there Federal proposes also?

Al Kresse
Al,

I think I remember reading something about limitations in train
length
due to air brake performance. Not sure where I read it, but I
thought
the PRR, prior to WWII, had train length limits for K brakes because
of concerns over the speed/effectiveness of air brake applications
in
long trains. Can't remember where the rule came from (I think it was
100 cars) - could be regulatory, or could have been self-imposed -
the
PRR had a few nasty runaways on the east slope just west of Altoona
in
the early 1900's. My aunt (born in Altoona in 1920) remembers
several
incidents as a child where runaways would crash into Altoona. Her
father was a PRR shop foreman, so I think her recollections were
likely accurate - my grandfather was a dedicated PRR employee (57
years).

I think the rule was relaxed as AB brakes came into use - and I
thought I remember reading that the train limit could be exceeded if
less than some percentage of cars were K brake equipped.

Could take me a while to remember the source of this. Anyone else?

Dave Evans


Re: Early train length laws

bflynnd1
 

Not sure how all the question marks ended up in my post.? There is no date for the maximum train lengths but I can give you the following information:?
C&O?lines north? 160
C&O lines south? 175
N&W 175
Virginian? 175

Brian Flynn

-----Original Message-----
From: water.kresse@comcast.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Early train length laws



Brian,

That sounds like a great booklet!

I would be interested in the 1921 data which would be applicable to the
purchasing by C&O/N&W/Virginian of Hi Capy Gons in that era and did any of the
railroads have voluntary limits WAY BACK THEN.

Many thanks,

Al Kresse

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Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I used Bare-Metal aluminum foil to model the patched area from the
bottom of the car side to about 6 " above it on the HO Westerfield
kit for this Canada Southern car--

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/caso-138113-1.jpg

The patched area shows well on the model even after painting with
Scalecoat Red Oxide #2.

Steve Lucas.



You're probably right about the hardware store variety of tape.
But foils come in different hardnesses too. I have some nice
'soft' copper and aluminum foils (not adhesive backed) that I
bought for forming gondola ends or other uses. These are much
thicker too. And there's always Bare Metal Foil... Wrinkles are
certainly a hazard, I agree.
Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>

Tim,
I don't know that it is "neglected" - I use it all the time for
patch
panels. But the reason that I did not suggest it for the
application
Bill is talking about is that I do not think that will snug down
around the 3 dimensional details of the ends of the side braces,
at
least not without getting wrinkles.


Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

In my humble opinion the best way to deal with this is to simply trick the
viewers eye with a strike of India ink at the appropriate spot. Paint the
lower portion a slightly lighter color to bring out the detail and forget trying
to make an overcoat that simply mask/diminishes the detail. The area behind
the "bootie" along the side sill should be slightly darker. You will bring the
viewers eye to the emphasized detail.

Greg Martin

In a message dated 9/18/2008 10:57:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bwelch@uucf.org writes:




I know we usually want thin material but as a look to building two of
the new Westerfield ex-PRR R7 reefers as owned by FGE, I want to model
the "booties" that were added to the bottom of the steel bracing to
deal with their rusting out. I seems to me the best way to accurately
and neatly do this is layering decal material, and the thicker the
material, the fewer overlays I will need to apply. The thickest decal
material I know of is Champ's.

Does anyone have suggested for a source of the thicker material?

Bill Welch









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Re: X29 Patch Panels - What year did they start to apply them

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jason Sanford wrote:
"I looked through the archives and could not find mention of a specific
year that the PRR started applying patch panels to the X29's. I model
1942 so I just need to know if there were there during 1942. Thanks."

First, NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES.

Second, patch panels started appearing on cars in the early 1940s. The
earlies applications appeared to be on an as-needed basis, with only
the bottom of the rusted-out panels replaced. Cars first appeared with
partial patch panels or patch panels of different heights. The
railroad finally resorted to full length, constant height patch panels
when the scale of the problem became known.


Ben Hom


X-29 Patch Panels - What year did they start to apply them

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I looked through the archives and could not find mention of a specific
year that the PRR started applying patch panels to the X29's. I model
1942 so I just need to know if there were there during 1942. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


ADMIN: Re: George Hollwedel has invited you to join Friendster

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

George Hollwedel's Friendster message is clearly out of scope. Be warned that such messages will get you significant time in Moderate Jail....or worse.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Early train length laws

water.kresse@...
 

Brian,

That sounds like a great booklet!

I would be interested in the 1921 data which would be applicable to the purchasing by C&O/N&W/Virginian of Hi Capy Gons in that era and did any of the railroads have voluntary limits WAY BACK THEN.

Many thanks,

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bflynn562@aol.com

I have a 62 page booklet dated 1955 titled "Railroad Safety-Long Trains, Before the ICC".? It?list the Brotherhood of Locomotive Fireman and Engineers, and the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen as petitioners for "The promulgation and enforcement of rules, standards, and instructions for installation, inspection, maintenance, and repair of power brakes".? The booklet came from my great grandfather who was a conductor for the Mopac in St Louis from the 20's to the 60's.? The booklet contains a lot of nice tables and information such as average length of trains 1921, 1938, 1940,1945,1950,and 1955, and average speed, average gross weight?and revenue tons per train hour for the same dates.? It also list by railroad, voluntary car limits by railroad.? There is also a section listing the hazards to public, employees, and property due to longer trains, and the "collateral detrimental effects of long trains contrary to public interest" such as long delays at grade crossings.? The booklet ha
s?a lot of interesting information and?data.

Brian Flynn?


Re: F&C site

Adam & Laura Eyring <eyrings06@...>
 

One error I noticed - the link for the CGW car takes you to a B&LE boxcar. You can get around this by clicking on the CGW link and changing the number to 6351 in the URL. Hopefully there are no other HTML typos like this.

AME

----- Original Message -----
From: "allen rueter" <allen_282@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:24 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: F&C site


I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@...> wrote:

Here's what I do to navigate fandckits.com from firefox

1) click on ho scale, so far so good
2) click on freight cars, no problem
3) move to the right to get in the right hand frame, right click
and down near the bottom of menu click on view frame source.
4) use the / (slash) operator to search for the road
5) select the part in quotes from ( href="HOFreight/7080.html" ),
^c (copy)
6) after the http://www.fandckits.com/ paste (^V) , press enter, bingo
(you should end up with http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7080.html)

Allen Rueter


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Re: F&C site

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

What he probably meant was that he clicked on View / Page Source which
displays the html code for most web pages. My daughter taught me how to do
this when I asked her one too many times, "How do I ...".

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
SUVCWORR@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:19 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: F&C site

In a message dated 9/18/2008 9:25:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
allen_282@yahoo.com writes:

I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

Allen,

Do realize that you just confessed to a Federal crime in an open public
forum and provided the evidence to convict you? Just a friendly reminder
that
sharing how something was obtained is not always a good idea.

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Re: Early train length laws

bflynnd1
 

I have a 62 page booklet dated 1955 titled "Railroad Safety-Long Trains, Before the ICC".? It?list the Brotherhood of Locomotive Fireman and Engineers, and the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen as petitioners for "The promulgation and enforcement of rules, standards, and instructions for installation, inspection, maintenance, and repair of power brakes".? The booklet came from my great grandfather who was a conductor for the Mopac in St Louis from the 20's to the 60's.? The booklet contains a lot of nice tables and information such as average length of trains 1921, 1938, 1940,1945,1950,and 1955, and average speed, average gross weight?and revenue tons per train hour for the same dates.? It also list by railroad, voluntary car limits by railroad.? There is also a section listing the hazards to public, employees, and property due to longer trains, and the "collateral detrimental effects of long trains contrary to public interest" such as long delays at grade crossings.? The booklet has?a lot of interesting information and?data.

Brian Flynn?


Re: F&C site

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

YOU ROCK!!!!!
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: allen rueter <allen_282@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:24:57 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: F&C site




I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter


Re: F&C site

Allen Rueter
 

I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@...> wrote:

Here's what I do to navigate fandckits.com from firefox

1) click on ho scale, so far so good
2) click on freight cars, no problem
3) move to the right to get in the right hand frame, right click
and down near the bottom of menu click on view frame source.
4) use the / (slash) operator to search for the road
5) select the part in quotes from ( href="HOFreight/7080.html" ),
^c (copy)
6) after the http://www.fandckits.com/ paste (^V) , press enter, bingo
(you should end up with http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7080.html)

Allen Rueter


Re: F&C site

Allen Rueter
 

Here's what I do to navigate fandckits.com from firefox

1) click on ho scale, so far so good
2) click on freight cars, no problem
3) move to the right to get in the right hand frame, right click
and down near the bottom of menu click on view frame source.
4) use the / (slash) operator to search for the road
5) select the part in quotes from ( href="HOFreight/7080.html" ),
^c (copy)
6) after the http://www.fandckits.com/ paste (^V) , press enter, bingo
(you should end up with http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7080.html)

Allen Rueter

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