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Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

In my humble opinion the best way to deal with this is to simply trick the
viewers eye with a strike of India ink at the appropriate spot. Paint the
lower portion a slightly lighter color to bring out the detail and forget trying
to make an overcoat that simply mask/diminishes the detail. The area behind
the "bootie" along the side sill should be slightly darker. You will bring the
viewers eye to the emphasized detail.

Greg Martin

In a message dated 9/18/2008 10:57:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bwelch@uucf.org writes:




I know we usually want thin material but as a look to building two of
the new Westerfield ex-PRR R7 reefers as owned by FGE, I want to model
the "booties" that were added to the bottom of the steel bracing to
deal with their rusting out. I seems to me the best way to accurately
and neatly do this is layering decal material, and the thicker the
material, the fewer overlays I will need to apply. The thickest decal
material I know of is Champ's.

Does anyone have suggested for a source of the thicker material?

Bill Welch









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Re: X29 Patch Panels - What year did they start to apply them

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jason Sanford wrote:
"I looked through the archives and could not find mention of a specific
year that the PRR started applying patch panels to the X29's. I model
1942 so I just need to know if there were there during 1942. Thanks."

First, NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES.

Second, patch panels started appearing on cars in the early 1940s. The
earlies applications appeared to be on an as-needed basis, with only
the bottom of the rusted-out panels replaced. Cars first appeared with
partial patch panels or patch panels of different heights. The
railroad finally resorted to full length, constant height patch panels
when the scale of the problem became known.


Ben Hom


X-29 Patch Panels - What year did they start to apply them

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I looked through the archives and could not find mention of a specific
year that the PRR started applying patch panels to the X29's. I model
1942 so I just need to know if there were there during 1942. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


ADMIN: Re: George Hollwedel has invited you to join Friendster

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

George Hollwedel's Friendster message is clearly out of scope. Be warned that such messages will get you significant time in Moderate Jail....or worse.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Early train length laws

water.kresse@...
 

Brian,

That sounds like a great booklet!

I would be interested in the 1921 data which would be applicable to the purchasing by C&O/N&W/Virginian of Hi Capy Gons in that era and did any of the railroads have voluntary limits WAY BACK THEN.

Many thanks,

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bflynn562@aol.com

I have a 62 page booklet dated 1955 titled "Railroad Safety-Long Trains, Before the ICC".? It?list the Brotherhood of Locomotive Fireman and Engineers, and the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen as petitioners for "The promulgation and enforcement of rules, standards, and instructions for installation, inspection, maintenance, and repair of power brakes".? The booklet came from my great grandfather who was a conductor for the Mopac in St Louis from the 20's to the 60's.? The booklet contains a lot of nice tables and information such as average length of trains 1921, 1938, 1940,1945,1950,and 1955, and average speed, average gross weight?and revenue tons per train hour for the same dates.? It also list by railroad, voluntary car limits by railroad.? There is also a section listing the hazards to public, employees, and property due to longer trains, and the "collateral detrimental effects of long trains contrary to public interest" such as long delays at grade crossings.? The booklet ha
s?a lot of interesting information and?data.

Brian Flynn?


Re: F&C site

Adam & Laura Eyring <eyrings06@...>
 

One error I noticed - the link for the CGW car takes you to a B&LE boxcar. You can get around this by clicking on the CGW link and changing the number to 6351 in the URL. Hopefully there are no other HTML typos like this.

AME

----- Original Message -----
From: "allen rueter" <allen_282@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:24 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: F&C site


I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@...> wrote:

Here's what I do to navigate fandckits.com from firefox

1) click on ho scale, so far so good
2) click on freight cars, no problem
3) move to the right to get in the right hand frame, right click
and down near the bottom of menu click on view frame source.
4) use the / (slash) operator to search for the road
5) select the part in quotes from ( href="HOFreight/7080.html" ),
^c (copy)
6) after the http://www.fandckits.com/ paste (^V) , press enter, bingo
(you should end up with http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7080.html)

Allen Rueter


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Re: F&C site

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

What he probably meant was that he clicked on View / Page Source which
displays the html code for most web pages. My daughter taught me how to do
this when I asked her one too many times, "How do I ...".

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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SUVCWORR@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:19 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: F&C site

In a message dated 9/18/2008 9:25:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
allen_282@yahoo.com writes:

I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

Allen,

Do realize that you just confessed to a Federal crime in an open public
forum and provided the evidence to convict you? Just a friendly reminder
that
sharing how something was obtained is not always a good idea.

Rich Orr



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Re: Early train length laws

bflynnd1
 

I have a 62 page booklet dated 1955 titled "Railroad Safety-Long Trains, Before the ICC".? It?list the Brotherhood of Locomotive Fireman and Engineers, and the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen as petitioners for "The promulgation and enforcement of rules, standards, and instructions for installation, inspection, maintenance, and repair of power brakes".? The booklet came from my great grandfather who was a conductor for the Mopac in St Louis from the 20's to the 60's.? The booklet contains a lot of nice tables and information such as average length of trains 1921, 1938, 1940,1945,1950,and 1955, and average speed, average gross weight?and revenue tons per train hour for the same dates.? It also list by railroad, voluntary car limits by railroad.? There is also a section listing the hazards to public, employees, and property due to longer trains, and the "collateral detrimental effects of long trains contrary to public interest" such as long delays at grade crossings.? The booklet has?a lot of interesting information and?data.

Brian Flynn?


Re: F&C site

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

YOU ROCK!!!!!
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: allen rueter <allen_282@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:24:57 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: F&C site




I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter


Re: F&C site

Allen Rueter
 

I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen rueter" <allen_282@...> wrote:

Here's what I do to navigate fandckits.com from firefox

1) click on ho scale, so far so good
2) click on freight cars, no problem
3) move to the right to get in the right hand frame, right click
and down near the bottom of menu click on view frame source.
4) use the / (slash) operator to search for the road
5) select the part in quotes from ( href="HOFreight/7080.html" ),
^c (copy)
6) after the http://www.fandckits.com/ paste (^V) , press enter, bingo
(you should end up with http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7080.html)

Allen Rueter


Re: F&C site

Allen Rueter
 

Here's what I do to navigate fandckits.com from firefox

1) click on ho scale, so far so good
2) click on freight cars, no problem
3) move to the right to get in the right hand frame, right click
and down near the bottom of menu click on view frame source.
4) use the / (slash) operator to search for the road
5) select the part in quotes from ( href="HOFreight/7080.html" ),
^c (copy)
6) after the http://www.fandckits.com/ paste (^V) , press enter, bingo
(you should end up with http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/7080.html)

Allen Rueter


Re: Early train length laws

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Folks,

Maybe this a new subject?

Do we have any information on State Legist's attempting to mandate
maximum number of freight cars allowed per train?

Andrew Dow's great N&W Coal Car book refers to that being a driving
reason for building 120-ton and 90-ton "Battleship Gons" in the late
teens and early twenties. Do we have copies of specific proposed rules?

Were there Federal proposes also?

Al Kresse
Al,

I think I remember reading something about limitations in train length
due to air brake performance. Not sure where I read it, but I thought
the PRR, prior to WWII, had train length limits for K brakes because
of concerns over the speed/effectiveness of air brake applications in
long trains. Can't remember where the rule came from (I think it was
100 cars) - could be regulatory, or could have been self-imposed - the
PRR had a few nasty runaways on the east slope just west of Altoona in
the early 1900's. My aunt (born in Altoona in 1920) remembers several
incidents as a child where runaways would crash into Altoona. Her
father was a PRR shop foreman, so I think her recollections were
likely accurate - my grandfather was a dedicated PRR employee (57 years).

I think the rule was relaxed as AB brakes came into use - and I
thought I remember reading that the train limit could be exceeded if
less than some percentage of cars were K brake equipped.

Could take me a while to remember the source of this. Anyone else?

Dave Evans


Re: F&C site

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 9/18/2008 9:25:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
allen_282@yahoo.com writes:

I hacked there web page, try here

http://2-8-2.com/FandC-HO-Freight-Car-Kits-classfree.html

Allen Rueter

Allen,

Do realize that you just confessed to a Federal crime in an open public
forum and provided the evidence to convict you? Just a friendly reminder that
sharing how something was obtained is not always a good idea.

Rich Orr



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ARA 1932 Box Cars; an HO Scale Atlas model

Eric Hansmann
 

I just picked up a pair of these at the Train Station in Columbus,
Ohio. I am in a hotel with no tools, magnification or resource books
to compare prototype detail. Here's a just-out-of-the-box look at
these new models.

The car is painted and lettered for Clinchfield 5249. Upon first
look, the delicacy of the ladders and sill steps catches the eye,
and the lettering is sharp. The running board is thin and flat, not
wavy. The hand holds on the running board laterals are also separate
details, as are the end running board supports. The ends reveal a
bottom operated cut lever and a very fine retainer line and valve. A
Universal handbrake wheel is included. The right end grab is well
done with a bracket on the right side and the left attached to a
rib.

The underframe detail is okay. The center sill, bolsters, brake
detail and cross members seem to be a one piece plastic casting. The
floor seems to be another casting. The air line, brake rods and
piping are noticeable. There are no brake hangers and the brake
valve is rather non-descript. I am unsure of the style trucks Atlas
has used on these models. It is a cast sideframe style with a spring
plank, but I have no truck references at hand to compare.

The prototype resources I have are limited at this point, but I
found an image of an NKP car here:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/nkp13256main.html

There were a couple of model detail points that don't seem to mesh
with the one image reviewed. First, the tack boards are modeled as
two pieces of wood. This was noticeable early on as the model was
inspected. I had thought the tack boards were usually three pieces
of wood. The model tack boards almost seem toy-like as the boards
are quite wide. The part is also a bit thicker than the other
delicate details.

Another point is the shape of the end ribs. In the prototype images,
it seems like these ribs flatten a bit towards the car center. On
the model, the ribs are rounded across the ends. The NKP car has a
slightly different center gusset under the door. I'll have to wait
to page through the ARA 1932 Box Car book when I get home to compare
the Clinchfield model. I thought some prototypes had different
lengths of this center gusset.

I did not see any flash on the parts, but I did note a couple of
spots where a pass with a file or emery board will remove a slight
remnant of sprue. There also seems to be a rough edge on the center
of the running board on this model.

The model couplers are Accumates. I prefer the ProtoHO Accumates or
the Kadee #58s, so these will be changed out. An angle cock and air
hose will also be added. Some reweigh data and weathering and the
car is ready for the layout. The model also seems heavier than most
box cars. Part of the frame may be cast metal.

I paid $27 each for these cars. MRSP is $30. I look forward to
seeing these in a train with other box cars of varying heights.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

I know we usually want thin material but as a look to building two of
the new Westerfield ex-PRR R7 reefers as owned by FGE, I want to model
the "booties" that were added to the bottom of the steel bracing to
deal with their rusting out. I seems to me the best way to accurately
and neatly do this is layering decal material, and the thicker the
material, the fewer overlays I will need to apply. The thickest decal
material I know of is Champ's.

Bill,

Just spray any decal at hand with several coats of paint, letting the
paint dry between coats. The new water borne acrylics might be the
best choice, for flexibility.

What'cha goin' ta do about the rivets? Any rivets the decal covers
will look larger.

Dennis


Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Tim O'Connor
 

You're probably right about the hardware store variety of tape.
But foils come in different hardnesses too. I have some nice
'soft' copper and aluminum foils (not adhesive backed) that I
bought for forming gondola ends or other uses. These are much
thicker too. And there's always Bare Metal Foil... Wrinkles are
certainly a hazard, I agree.
Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu>

Tim,
I don't know that it is "neglected" - I use it all the time for patch
panels. But the reason that I did not suggest it for the application
Bill is talking about is that I do not think that will snug down
around the 3 dimensional details of the ends of the side braces, at
least not without getting wrinkles.


Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Bruce Smith
 

On Sep 18, 2008, at 3:01 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:

I think a much neglected and excellent material is adhesive backed aluminum
foil. I've only used the regular hardware store variety on models but I see from
this web site that there are different thicknesses and adhesives available. The
stuff I've used is great and the adhesive is very strong. Because it is aluminum
I have also fashioned 3-D items like small door stops.

1 mill thickness = .08" in HO scale

http://trade.made-in-china.com/manufacturers-suppliers/ Global-999o5qo999/Aluminum_Foil_Tape-1.html

Tim O'Connor
Tim,

I don't know that it is "neglected" - I use it all the time for patch panels. But the reason that I did not suggest it for the application Bill is talking about is that I do not think that will snug down around the 3 dimensional details of the ends of the side braces, at least not without getting wrinkles.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Tim O'Connor
 

I think a much neglected and excellent material is adhesive backed aluminum
foil. I've only used the regular hardware store variety on models but I see from
this web site that there are different thicknesses and adhesives available. The
stuff I've used is great and the adhesive is very strong. Because it is aluminum
I have also fashioned 3-D items like small door stops.

1 mill thickness = .08" in HO scale

http://trade.made-in-china.com/manufacturers-suppliers/Global-999o5qo999/Aluminum_Foil_Tape-1.html

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@uucf.org>
I know we usually want thin material but as a look to building two of
the new Westerfield ex-PRR R7 reefers as owned by FGE, I want to model
the "booties" that were added to the bottom of the steel bracing to
deal with their rusting out. I seems to me the best way to accurately
and neatly do this is layering decal material, and the thicker the
material, the fewer overlays I will need to apply. The thickest decal
material I know of is Champ's.

Does anyone have suggested for a source of the thicker material?

Bill Welch


Re: F&C site

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 9/18/2008 10:57:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lamontc@nakina.net writes:

On 18-Sep-08, at 6:19 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
I think it might have something to do with the use of frames. On a PC
using Mozila/Firefox, I listed the source of the right side of the
page and appended the source URL to the base for their site. For
example
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreightListByRoadWithDescriptions.html
to view HO by roadname.

Someone on a Mac try this and report here.
Sorry Jerry, it doesn't make any difference whether I navigate to
this page from the base URL or directly from the subURL you have
given. I just can't get any further at this point with either Safari
3.1.2 or Firefox 3.0. I can't test Internet Explorer on this Mac as
the newer Intel machines don't include it anymore (I keep meaning to
get a copy from one of my older Macs for this computer), although any
Mac version is now somewhat archaic.

You can download the latest verion of IE at
_http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/worldwide-sites.aspx?
icid=ie8_asdf123_
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/beta/worldwide-sites.aspx?icid=ie8_asdf123)

Rich Orr






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Re: Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Bill - I've found this process unnecessary. You need to cut triangles of .005" stryrene to fit between the framing. Then just make a relatively deep slice across each post at the matching angle. The eye is fooled (at least mine is) into thinking the bootie is continuous. See my X23 camp cars. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Thick decal material for protoyype patches sought


I know we usually want thin material but as a look to building two of
the new Westerfield ex-PRR R7 reefers as owned by FGE, I want to model
the "booties" that were added to the bottom of the steel bracing to
deal with their rusting out. I seems to me the best way to accurately
and neatly do this is layering decal material, and the thicker the
material, the fewer overlays I will need to apply. The thickest decal
material I know of is Champ's.

Does anyone have suggested for a source of the thicker material?

Bill Welch

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