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Re: F&C UP PS-0 box car

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Thanks, Richard. I noticed the lack of class designation, making research a little tougher.

Cj

--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F&C UP PS-0 box car
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:39 PM











On Sep 28, 2008, at 10:47 AM, cj riley wrote:



I have been poking around the archives and other sites with no
luck. Can anyone tell me the correct trucks for this model?


These cars were originally leased from Pullman and had no UP class

designation, but when the UP later purchased they they became classes

B-50-34 and B-50-35. There's a builder's photo of one in Terry

Metcalfe's UP freight car book (now, unfortunately, long out of

print) which shows them with AAR self-aligning spring-plankless

trucks. The closest HO scale match I can find is the Life-Like AAR

truck; side frames and bolster ends look right, though the journal

boxes are a bit oversize.



Richard Hendrickson



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Re: F&C UP PS-0 box car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 28, 2008, at 10:47 AM, cj riley wrote:

I have been poking around the archives and other sites with no
luck. Can anyone tell me the correct trucks for this model?



These cars were originally leased from Pullman and had no UP class
designation, but when the UP later purchased they they became classes
B-50-34 and B-50-35. There's a builder's photo of one in Terry
Metcalfe's UP freight car book (now, unfortunately, long out of
print) which shows them with AAR self-aligning spring-plankless
trucks. The closest HO scale match I can find is the Life-Like AAR
truck; side frames and bolster ends look right, though the journal
boxes are a bit oversize.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: "Different" flat load

Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
 

There were Huge Logs shipped by Rail, to Glacier Park on the GN, for the Uprights of the Glacier Park Hotel. They had to arrive with the Bark intact. There is quite a display on this, in the GN Glacier Park Hotel, lots of Photos. The Hotel is a true Marvel.
Ron Smith
Carman UPRR

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kirkham
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Different" flat load


That's interesting. I've seen similar loads also destined for Ford Motor
Co. on the CPR and GNR, both near Vancouver, B.C. They must have been
buying everywhere. See related photos at the Vancouver Public Library site:
<http://www3.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca/spe/histphotos/photos-search.htm> and
search for 3692, 5941, 5941A, 4098, 4098A, 4098C. Now that kind of buying
surge would surely skew your freight car distribution in New Jersey or
Eastern USA wouldn't it! (personally, while the captions mention New
Jersey, I could see those being a reference to the head office, and the
actual destination could be the Rouge Plant or some other behemoth - can't
recall when those were built.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "devansprr" <devans1@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:19 AM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] "Different" flat load

> While checking out the ice platform at monroe, I decided to browse the
> other 400+ railroad pictures. Mostly tunnel construction along the GN
> - amazing photos and a gold mine if you were modeling that line in the
> late '20's early 30's. Lots of GN head-end power.
>
> Not a lot of freight car pix, but this one caught my eye as something
> I have never seen modeled. Everyone seems to be doing naval guns and
> big structural steel as multi-car flat loads, but this is different:
>
> http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1385&CISOBOX=1&REC=20
>
> Hopefully the link works. If not, the neg number is Pickett 4473.
>
> I wonder if these were for trestle bents?
>
> Dave Evans
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931

Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
 

Yeah I saw both of my mistakes after I hit send, bad case of foot in mouth. What exasperated the Probem was I saw Monroe, Wn, and thought and read Morton, Washington. Morton is so small, and so out of the way, my bad.
Ron Smith
Carman UPRR

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Krueger
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931


Ron, the description says "Monroe, ca. 1931" meaning Monroe, circa
1931. I've often seen Wn. used to abbreviate Washington and I trust
what is on the photo more than what is on the web page.

Here is the series description for the photo collection these come from:
"The Lee Pickett collection of over 900 photographs documents scenes
from Snohomish, King and Chelan Counties in Washington State from the
early 1900s to the 1940s. Based in Index, in the heart of the Cascade
Mountains, he took thousands of photographs of that region. This
includes the towns and people of Index, Gold Bar, Scenic, and Sultan.
Local industries, such as the Heybrook Lumber Co. and Index Granite
Works, are also depicted. Pickett was perhaps best known for his job
as official photographer for the Great Northern Railway Company. A
large number of his photographs reflect the program undertaken by the
company in the 1920s to improve the line over the Cascade Mountains."

This series has many photos of the Stevens Pass line of the GN, but
unfortunately not many include freight cars.

Paul
Seattle, WA

--- In STMFC@..., "Ron Smith" <rpsmith@...> wrote:
>
> Nice Pics, but that is not Monroe, Washington. Web Page says Monroe,
Ca, (California), but label on Pic says Monroe, Wn, (Wisconson).
> Ron Smith
> Carman, UPRR
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: al_brown03
> To: STMFC@...
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:30 AM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931
>
>
> FGEX, BREX, and WFEX cars were pooled. No more surprising to see FGEX
> cars on the GN than WFEX or BREX cars in Florida, which also commonly
> happened. See Bill Welch's essays for more detail.
>
> Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
>
> --- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@ wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Great images! Semi-surprised to see FGE cars way out west.
> >
> > Why such a coarse (200 dpi) scanning rate? Hopefully, they are
> also doing Archival Quality scanning at 400-600 dpi and in TIFF
> formating (folks will want to crop and resize up, and still have 300
> dpi left for a publication). These won't stay around for ever before
> they fall apart.
> >
> > Al Kresse
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Paul Krueger" <kruegerp@>
> > Here is a picture taken from the icing platform at a lettuce farm in
> > Monroe, WA. Can't see much of the car sides, but there is clearly a
> > Pabst car mixed in there. Incoming load?
> >
> > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?
> CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1302&CISOBOX=1&REC=16
> >
> > Two more related shots
> > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?
> CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1411&CISOBOX=1&REC=17
> >
> > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?
> CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1351&CISOBOX=1&REC=17
> >
> > Paul
> > Seattle, WA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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What caboose it that

Paul Catapano
 

It is a Western Maryland Caboose, with a "Fast Freight" herald.
They did have 42" heralds on a some cabs.

Paul Catapano
Littlerock Subdivision
Atlantic Inland Railway Co.

"All it takes to start an insane asylum
is a big room and the right kind of people"

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Re: "Different" flat load

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> wrote:

One wonders what the Ford Motor Co. was going to do with such logs
in New
Jersey? In 1929?
Charlie
It's a load of piling, which could be destined for use in a foundation
or a pier.
Jack Mullen


Re: Mystery caboose

Mark Wallace
 

This cab really looks like WMRwy #1870 which had the larger WMrwy
logo/herald.

The subsequently posted #1816 sported the smaller size.

The round herald came in two sizes for cabs. Makes mixing and matching
numbers to the correct herald a little challenging when modeling WMRwy
cabs from the steam era.

HTH
Mark


Mark Wallace
Collegeville, PA


Bruce Smith wrote:



Ben

While the hack certainly looks the same, the LOGO/HERALD looks completely
different... Is the image Tim cited a WM herald that I'm not familiar
with?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Re: Mystery caboose

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Bruce,

I, too, was skeptical at first, but I think it's just a muddy image. If you look real closely you can make out the double circle with 3 words, as well as 3 lines of words ( Fast Freight Line) in the center. I would agree that it's a WM hack.

CJ Riley

--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Mystery caboose
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:44 AM











On Sun, September 28, 2008 11:39 am, benjaminfrank_ hom wrote:

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Can anyone identify the logo on the caboose in this picture?"
http://img.villagep hotos.com/ p/2006-1/ 1137438/g021. jpg
Western Maryland.
http://www.railroad .net/articles/ railfanning/ northeastcaboose s/media/cab
-06.jpg
Ben Hom


Ben



While the hack certainly looks the same, the LOGO/HERALD looks completely

different... Is the image Tim cited a WM herald that I'm not familiar

with?



Regards

Bruce



Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL





























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Re: "Different" flat load

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

"Ford Motor Company
constructed an assembly plant in 1929 at Edgewater[, N.J.] . . .
Vehicles could be loaded directly onto deep draft vessels for
shipment to domestic and foreign ports." . . . I would guess the
pilings were for a pier.

Possibly, but the Edgewater plant was built on filled-in tidal flats
adjacent to the Hudson River. When erecting a large structure on such
a site, pilings would be driven down to bedrock to provide firm
support for the building.

Walt Lankenau


F&C UP PS-0 box car

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Folks,

I have been poking around the archives and other sites with no luck. Can anyone tell me the correct trucks for this model?

Thanks,

CJ Riley


Re: Mystery caboose

Bruce Smith
 

On Sun, September 28, 2008 11:39 am, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
Tim O'Connor asked:
"Can anyone identify the logo on the caboose in this picture?"
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1137438/g021.jpg

Western Maryland.
http://www.railroad.net/articles/railfanning/northeastcabooses/media/cab
-06.jpg


Ben Hom
Ben

While the hack certainly looks the same, the LOGO/HERALD looks completely
different... Is the image Tim cited a WM herald that I'm not familiar
with?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: "Different" flat load

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"It says they're headed to Ford Motor Co in New Jersey. I wonder
if they are intended for aircraft spars, since at that time Ford
was in the airplane business..."

Negative. All of the Ford aircraft were all-metal designs.
http://www.fordtrimotor.org/vars.php?p=n7
http://www.fordtri-motor.com/


Ben Hom


Re: "Different" flat load

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave

It says they're headed to Ford Motor Co in New Jersey. I wonder
if they are intended for aircraft spars, since at that time Ford
was in the airplane business...

Tim O'Connor

While checking out the ice platform at monroe, I decided to browse the
other 400+ railroad pictures. Mostly tunnel construction along the GN
- amazing photos and a gold mine if you were modeling that line in the
late '20's early 30's. Lots of GN head-end power.

Not a lot of freight car pix, but this one caught my eye as something
I have never seen modeled. Everyone seems to be doing naval guns and
big structural steel as multi-car flat loads, but this is different:

http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1385&CISOBOX=1&REC=20

Hopefully the link works. If not, the neg number is Pickett 4473.

I wonder if these were for trestle bents?

Dave Evans


Naperville

Jon Cagle <jscagle@...>
 

Greetings Gang:

I noticed on the Naperville Modelers Meet flyer that there is not a phone # you could call. Does Martin have a phone #, as I would like to call to see if there are tables still available before I send a check.

Please reply off line to the3dworkshop@...<mailto:the3dworkshop@...>

Thank you for your help.

jon


Re: Mystery caboose

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

I wrote:
Western Maryland.
http://www.railroad.net/articles/railfanning/northeastcabooses/media/cab
-06.jpg

Shortened URL provided for those who can't figure out how to cut and
paste broken links into their internet browsers:
http://tinyurl.com/3ob73p


Ben Hom


Re: Mystery caboose

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Can anyone identify the logo on the caboose in this picture?"
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1137438/g021.jpg

Western Maryland.
http://www.railroad.net/articles/railfanning/northeastcabooses/media/cab
-06.jpg


Ben Hom


Re: "Different" flat load

al_brown03
 

Quoting Mohowski's book on the NYS&W, p 60: "Ford Motor Company
constructed an assembly plant in 1929 at Edgewater[, N.J.] ... . The
factory was second in importance only to that at Dearborn, Michigan.
Vehicles could be loaded directly onto deep draft vessels for
shipment to domestic and foreign ports." The plant is pictured in
Krause and Crist, "Susquehanna", p 24; I would guess the pilings were
for a pier.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., <rfederle@...> wrote:

Pilings can be used for trestle work AND piers. Perhaps Ford was
building or adding to a pier for shipping products.

Robert Federl
---- Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...> wrote:
They are labeled "pilings" so a guess would be that they were
building
something on soft ground in New Jersey.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Morrill

One wonders what the Ford Motor Co. was going to do with such
logs in New
Jersey? In 1929?


Re: "Different" flat load

gary laakso
 

These are the 41 foot NP flats that W&R just imported in the 69000-69999 series. They have two trussrods inside their fish sills and were built in 1903 by Standard Steel Car Co.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 9/28/2008 12:20:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Different" flat load


Don't know if the loads were for trestle bends or not.

HOWEVER, with a load that stretches across 3 flat cars (2nd load also), this
consist would be restricted to track with big radius curves. Knowing the
load is 120 foot long, we can almost assume that the flat cars are 50 footers.

I have seen restrictions up to 240 foot radius curves (23 deg) wether
coupled or not on special flat cars only 72 foot long. This consist may have had
even bigger restrictions and a dispatchers nightmare on selecting track
routes.

Dick Kashdin
Clarence, NY


In a message dated 9/28/2008 11:20:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
devans1@... writes:

While checking out the ice platform at monroe, I decided to browse the
other 400+ railroad pictures. Mostly tunnel construction along the GN
- amazing photos and a gold mine if you were modeling that line in the
late '20's early 30's. Lots of GN head-end power.

Not a lot of freight car pix, but this one caught my eye as something
I have never seen modeled. Everyone seems to be doing naval guns and
big structural steel as multi-car flat loads, but this is different:

_http://content.http://content.http://cohttp://contehttp://contenhttp://c&<WBR
CISOPTR&<WBR>CISO&<WBR>R_
(http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1385&CISOBOX=1&REC=20)

Hopefully the link works. If not, the neg number is Pickett 4473.

I wonder if these were for trestle bents?

Dave Evans

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Mystery caboose

Tim O'Connor
 

Can anyone identify the logo on the caboose in this
picture?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1137438/g021.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: "Different" flat load

Don Worthy
 

Hey, that may not have been that unusual. I have a film clip with a load like that on the Central of Georgia Railway around 1955. The only difference is that the Central's load looks like the poles were de-barked and were creosoted.
One of the fellow model railroaders in Gordon, Ga., has modeled it. Darn thing looks good and goes though 28" curves with no trouble.
 
Thanks for the photo
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.

--- On Sun, 9/28/08, devansprr <devans1@...> wrote:

From: devansprr <devans1@...>
Subject: [STMFC] "Different" flat load
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 11:19 AM






While checking out the ice platform at monroe, I decided to browse the
other 400+ railroad pictures. Mostly tunnel construction along the GN
- amazing photos and a gold mine if you were modeling that line in the
late '20's early 30's. Lots of GN head-end power.

Not a lot of freight car pix, but this one caught my eye as something
I have never seen modeled. Everyone seems to be doing naval guns and
big structural steel as multi-car flat loads, but this is different:

http://content. lib.washington. edu/cdm4/ item_viewer. php?CISOROOT= /pickett& CISOPTR=1385& CISOBOX=1& REC=20

Hopefully the link works. If not, the neg number is Pickett 4473.

I wonder if these were for trestle bents?

Dave Evans

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