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Re: "Different" flat load - Logs to Ford Motor
On Sep 29, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Indian640@... wrote:
The Ford operation at Iron Mountain, Michigan processed over six millionMal, Fascinating stuff and it goes to show how really understanding an industry can add to the interest! Somehow though, I doubt that wood for such uses would have been shipped spanning 3 flat cars <VBG>. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Dennis,
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You might try looking for an older dictionary. Collegiate and larger dictionaries often had this information. The best place to look would be a university library in the general stacks, not the reference section (which would have current editions). Kind regards, Garth G. Groff, library technician deluxe Dennis Storzek wrote:
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Re: "Different" flat load - Logs to Ford Motor
Malcolm H. Houck
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Morrill" <badlands@..b> asked: One wonders what the Ford Motor Co. was going to do with such logs inNew Jersey? In 1929?At one time Ford had a plant in Edgewater, NJ which was located on the Hudson River. Maybe they used those logs as pilings. The Ford operation at Iron Mountain, Michigan processed over six million board feet of lumber every year, used for wood in Ford automobile bodies. Scrap was burned in a central heating plant for the company operations, some excess was feedstock for a bowling pin factory and remaining scrap was fed into a destructive wood distillation plant; -- some of the output (acetate) of which was used in celluloid ("Isinglass") production and with wood alcohol being packaged and sold as "Fordzone" anti-freeze. All of this's to say, that even outside of local harvesting the capacity and appetite of the Iron Mountain operation was large enough to justify importing lumber; -- for any number of uses. If the logs in question were a suitable hardwood, either for primary use or for destructive wood distillation, then they could (emphasize "could") be destined for Iron Mountain. Mal Houck **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)
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Re: State Abbreviations
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
Also, older locations that might be seen in period documents:
T.H. Territory of Hawaii T.A. Territory of Alaska P.I. Territory of the Philippines /Commonwealth of the Philippines (Philippine Islands) N. Mex. Terr. Territory of New Mexico Ariz. Terr. Territory of Arizona Okla. Terr. Territory of Oklahoma KL
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Re: "Different" flat load
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> asked:
One wonders what the Ford Motor Co. was going to do with such logs inNew Jersey? In 1929?At one time Ford had a plant in Edgewater, NJ which was located on the Hudson River. Maybe they used those logs as pilings. Ed
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Re: State Abbreviations
Allen Rueter
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State Abbreviations
Eric Hansmann
Dennis Storzek wrote:
That brings up an interesting point, does anyone have a link to a list of the state abbreviations that were commonly used before the two capital letter codes were adopted? When I try to Goggle the subject, I gat about a million sites with the new codes, not the ones used previously. I'm old enough to remember the older abbreviations (and they were written like abbreviations, capitalized first letter and followed by a period) but only the ones I used: Illinois Ill. Indiana Ind. Michigan Mich. Minnesota Minn. Pennsylvania Penn. Wisconsin Wis. or Wisc. And my all time favorite: California Calif. Which everyone knew meant stood for "Come and live in Florida." Old joke :-) ============================================== As I understand it, the original state abbreviations never went out of style in writing, only in posting letters. Here's a website with both styles of abbreviations. http://www.stateabbreviations.us/ Steam era freight cars were built in nearly all of of these states. For me West Virginia has been and always will be W. Va. It was also the original home of the Ensign Car Works in Huntington, W. Va. Eric Hansmann Morgantown, W. Va.
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Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Andy Carlson wrote:
There were no official 2 letter state abbreviations in the era of our interest.You must be forgetting NY. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: State Abbreviations
SUVCWORR@...
In a message dated 9/28/2008 10:03:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
eric@... writes: Dennis Storzek wrote: That brings up an interesting point, does anyone have a link to a list of the state abbreviations that were commonly used before the two capital letter codes were adopted? When I try to Goggle the subject, I gat about a million sites with the new codes, not the ones used previously. I'm old enough to remember the older abbreviations (and they were written like abbreviations, capitalized first letter and followed by a period) but only the ones I used: Illinois Ill. Indiana Ind. Michigan Mich. Minnesota Minn. Pennsylvania Penn. Wisconsin Wis. or Wisc. And my all time favorite: California Calif. Which everyone knew meant stood for "Come and live in Florida." Old joke :-) ============================================== As I understand it, the original state abbreviations never went out of style in writing, only in posting letters. Here's a website with both styles of abbreviations. http://www.stateabbreviations.us/ Steam era freight cars were built in nearly all of of these states. For me West Virginia has been and always will be W. Va. It was also the original home of the Ensign Car Works in Huntington, W. Va. Eric Hansmann Morgantown, W. Va. Try this site. _http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:gHgLsgkTd8UJ:www.searchforancestors.com/a rchives/oldstateabb.html+state+abbreviation+old&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UT F-8_ (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:gHgLsgkTd8UJ:www.searchforancestors.com/archives/oldstateabb.html+state+abbreviation+old&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us& ie=UTF-8) Rich Orr **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)
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Re: "Different" flat load
rfederle@...
Wow...I need to watch where my fingers go on that keyboard.
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Sorry about the spelling. Robert Federle ---- rfederle@... wrote:
Clearances would be the biggest issue. As long as a set uf "Bunk" pivot and the other adjacent "bunk" wouldd slide slightly should negotiate turns OK.
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Re: "Different" flat load
rfederle@...
Clearances would be the biggest issue. As long as a set uf "Bunk" pivot and the other adjacent "bunk" wouldd slide slightly should negotiate turns OK.
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Robert Federle ---- Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:
Hey, that may not have been that unusual. I have a film clip with a load like that on the Central of Georgia Railway around 1955. The only difference is that the Central's load looks like the poles were de-barked and were creosoted.
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Re: Mystery caboose
On Sun, September 28, 2008 12:52 pm, cj riley wrote:
Bruce,CJ, Ben, Yeah, I'll buy that. I just spent some time comparing them, and although they looked totally different to me, I can now see the WM features. Neat photo of a loco in transit! Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: F&C UP PS-0 box car
cj riley <cjriley42@...>
Thanks, Richard. I noticed the lack of class designation, making research a little tougher.
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Cj
--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] F&C UP PS-0 box car To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:39 PM On Sep 28, 2008, at 10:47 AM, cj riley wrote: I have been poking around the archives and other sites with no luck. Can anyone tell me the correct trucks for this model? These cars were originally leased from Pullman and had no UP class designation, but when the UP later purchased they they became classes B-50-34 and B-50-35. There's a builder's photo of one in Terry Metcalfe's UP freight car book (now, unfortunately, long out of print) which shows them with AAR self-aligning spring-plankless trucks. The closest HO scale match I can find is the Life-Like AAR truck; side frames and bolster ends look right, though the journal boxes are a bit oversize. Richard Hendrickson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: F&C UP PS-0 box car
Richard Hendrickson
On Sep 28, 2008, at 10:47 AM, cj riley wrote:
I have been poking around the archives and other sites with no These cars were originally leased from Pullman and had no UP class designation, but when the UP later purchased they they became classes B-50-34 and B-50-35. There's a builder's photo of one in Terry Metcalfe's UP freight car book (now, unfortunately, long out of print) which shows them with AAR self-aligning spring-plankless trucks. The closest HO scale match I can find is the Life-Like AAR truck; side frames and bolster ends look right, though the journal boxes are a bit oversize. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: "Different" flat load
Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
There were Huge Logs shipped by Rail, to Glacier Park on the GN, for the Uprights of the Glacier Park Hotel. They had to arrive with the Bark intact. There is quite a display on this, in the GN Glacier Park Hotel, lots of Photos. The Hotel is a true Marvel.
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Ron Smith Carman UPRR
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From: Rob Kirkham To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Different" flat load That's interesting. I've seen similar loads also destined for Ford Motor Co. on the CPR and GNR, both near Vancouver, B.C. They must have been buying everywhere. See related photos at the Vancouver Public Library site: <http://www3.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca/spe/histphotos/photos-search.htm> and search for 3692, 5941, 5941A, 4098, 4098A, 4098C. Now that kind of buying surge would surely skew your freight car distribution in New Jersey or Eastern USA wouldn't it! (personally, while the captions mention New Jersey, I could see those being a reference to the head office, and the actual destination could be the Rouge Plant or some other behemoth - can't recall when those were built. Rob Kirkham -------------------------------------------------- From: "devansprr" <devans1@...> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:19 AM To: <STMFC@...> Subject: [STMFC] "Different" flat load > While checking out the ice platform at monroe, I decided to browse the > other 400+ railroad pictures. Mostly tunnel construction along the GN > - amazing photos and a gold mine if you were modeling that line in the > late '20's early 30's. Lots of GN head-end power. > > Not a lot of freight car pix, but this one caught my eye as something > I have never seen modeled. Everyone seems to be doing naval guns and > big structural steel as multi-car flat loads, but this is different: > > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1385&CISOBOX=1&REC=20 > > Hopefully the link works. If not, the neg number is Pickett 4473. > > I wonder if these were for trestle bents? > > Dave Evans > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
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Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931
Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
Yeah I saw both of my mistakes after I hit send, bad case of foot in mouth. What exasperated the Probem was I saw Monroe, Wn, and thought and read Morton, Washington. Morton is so small, and so out of the way, my bad.
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Ron Smith Carman UPRR
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From: Paul Krueger To: STMFC@... Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931 Ron, the description says "Monroe, ca. 1931" meaning Monroe, circa 1931. I've often seen Wn. used to abbreviate Washington and I trust what is on the photo more than what is on the web page. Here is the series description for the photo collection these come from: "The Lee Pickett collection of over 900 photographs documents scenes from Snohomish, King and Chelan Counties in Washington State from the early 1900s to the 1940s. Based in Index, in the heart of the Cascade Mountains, he took thousands of photographs of that region. This includes the towns and people of Index, Gold Bar, Scenic, and Sultan. Local industries, such as the Heybrook Lumber Co. and Index Granite Works, are also depicted. Pickett was perhaps best known for his job as official photographer for the Great Northern Railway Company. A large number of his photographs reflect the program undertaken by the company in the 1920s to improve the line over the Cascade Mountains." This series has many photos of the Stevens Pass line of the GN, but unfortunately not many include freight cars. Paul Seattle, WA --- In STMFC@..., "Ron Smith" <rpsmith@...> wrote: > > Nice Pics, but that is not Monroe, Washington. Web Page says Monroe, Ca, (California), but label on Pic says Monroe, Wn, (Wisconson). > Ron Smith > Carman, UPRR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: al_brown03 > To: STMFC@... > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:30 AM > Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pabst at the lettuce farm, 1931 > > > FGEX, BREX, and WFEX cars were pooled. No more surprising to see FGEX > cars on the GN than WFEX or BREX cars in Florida, which also commonly > happened. See Bill Welch's essays for more detail. > > Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. > > --- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@ wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > Great images! Semi-surprised to see FGE cars way out west. > > > > Why such a coarse (200 dpi) scanning rate? Hopefully, they are > also doing Archival Quality scanning at 400-600 dpi and in TIFF > formating (folks will want to crop and resize up, and still have 300 > dpi left for a publication). These won't stay around for ever before > they fall apart. > > > > Al Kresse > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Paul Krueger" <kruegerp@> > > Here is a picture taken from the icing platform at a lettuce farm in > > Monroe, WA. Can't see much of the car sides, but there is clearly a > > Pabst car mixed in there. Incoming load? > > > > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php? > CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1302&CISOBOX=1&REC=16 > > > > Two more related shots > > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php? > CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1411&CISOBOX=1&REC=17 > > > > http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php? > CISOROOT=/pickett&CISOPTR=1351&CISOBOX=1&REC=17 > > > > Paul > > Seattle, WA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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What caboose it that
Paul Catapano
It is a Western Maryland Caboose, with a "Fast Freight" herald.
They did have 42" heralds on a some cabs. Paul Catapano Littlerock Subdivision Atlantic Inland Railway Co. "All it takes to start an insane asylum is a big room and the right kind of people" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: "Different" flat load
Jack Mullen
--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> wrote:
in New Jersey? In 1929?It's a load of piling, which could be destined for use in a foundation or a pier. Jack Mullen
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Re: Mystery caboose
Mark Wallace
This cab really looks like WMRwy #1870 which had the larger WMrwy
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logo/herald. The subsequently posted #1816 sported the smaller size. The round herald came in two sizes for cabs. Makes mixing and matching numbers to the correct herald a little challenging when modeling WMRwy cabs from the steam era. HTH Mark Mark Wallace Collegeville, PA Bruce Smith wrote:
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Re: Mystery caboose
cj riley <cjriley42@...>
Bruce,
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I, too, was skeptical at first, but I think it's just a muddy image. If you look real closely you can make out the double circle with 3 words, as well as 3 lines of words ( Fast Freight Line) in the center. I would agree that it's a WM hack. CJ Riley
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From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Mystery caboose To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:44 AM On Sun, September 28, 2008 11:39 am, benjaminfrank_ hom wrote: Tim O'Connor asked: "Can anyone identify the logo on the caboose in this picture?" http://img.villagep hotos.com/ p/2006-1/ 1137438/g021. jpg Western Maryland. http://www.railroad .net/articles/ railfanning/ northeastcaboose s/media/cab -06.jpg Ben Hom Ben While the hack certainly looks the same, the LOGO/HERALD looks completely different... Is the image Tim cited a WM herald that I'm not familiar with? Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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