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Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I will be interested to see how the car is built, I am assuming a plastic frame, based on their 60' offering, which should make the car feather light.  When I was a modern day modeler (I know.  Shame on me!) I had some of their 60' flat cars and they were very light!  But we all know what assuming does so I will stop there until we hear more.
 
Jason Sanford

Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K 53'-6" flat car we already have?

Rich Orr replied:
P2K is a 50 ton car the IM is a 70 ton car.
True, but not helpful; and the underframe being a hair beefier is pretty hard to see on a flat car. Should Intermountain actually tool a 70-ton truck, that would be a nice addition--but I'm not holding my breath.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Gene Green wrote:

Foobies???

How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K
53'-6" flat car we already have?
Gene,
In addition to the obvious differences in trucks, the following is a
brief description of the differences. The fish-belly sides of the
50-ton AAR cars have a steeper slope than the 70-ton AAR cars, a
different underframe arrangement, and the decks are significantly
different. The 50-ton deck is wood from end to end. The 70-ton deck has
steel plate flush with the top of the deck crosswise at the bolster
plus T-sections of steel between the bolsters and end sills. Thus, the
wood portion of the 70-ton deck is split into 5 sections, two small
sections at each end and one larger section between the bolsters.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Foobies???

How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K
53'-6" flat car we already have?

Gene Green
OitwTtoEP

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Walt Lankenau wrote:
AAR 70-ton flatcar from Intermountain:
http://www.ircmodelersclub.com/images/flyer184w.jpg
Now begins the dance to find out how many are foobies.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: USRA Standard 100-ton Gondola Car Design

rwitt_2000
 

Al Kresse asked:

Why didn't "anyone" pursue that particular design? i.e. N&W, C&O and
then Virginian in their prototype or production 90-120-ton car
designs?

Al,

From what research I have completed on B&O coal cars, it appears
different railroads had different needs for the type of coal cars they
placed on their rosters. The B&O definitely settled upon the 50-ton
twin hopper as their "standard" coal cars. I don't have the memos to
document this, but this is implied from types of cars listed in their
rosters.

For what ever reasons the B&O had no interest in large capacity
gondolas. In fact, they had no interest in the USRA 50-ton twin hopper.
Although they received several thousands during the USRA era, they
immediately began building more of their class N-12 hopper at the
termination of USRA control even though the original design dated from
~1912. Large capacity cars for the B&O were the 70-ton ARA quad hoppers
received in the late 1920's.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Walt Lankenau wrote:
AAR 70-ton flatcar from Intermountain:
http://www.ircmodelersclub.com/images/flyer184w.jpg
Now begins the dance to find out how many are foobies.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

mcindoefalls
 

AAR 70-ton flatcar from Intermountain:

http://www.ircmodelersclub.com/images/flyer184w.jpg

Walt Lankenau

Re: New HO scale 70-ton flatcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

P2K is a 50 ton car the IM is a 70 ton car.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 10/13/2008 7:04:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bierglaeser@... writes:

Foobies???

How will the new Intermountain 70-ton flat car differ from the P2K
53'-6" flat car we already have?

Gene Green
OitwTtoEP

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Walt Lankenau wrote:
AAR 70-ton flatcar from Intermountain:
http://www.ircmodelersclub.com/images/flyer184w.jpg
Now begins the dance to find out how many are foobies.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


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Re: HO USRA Gondola Decals Source?

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:


Jason, most USRA gons had been rebuilt or modified by 1942, but
RRs
that still had them in original condition included (in addition to
the SP, as pointed out by Tony Thompson) the L&N, M&StL (which
bought
a bunch second-hand from the L&N), KCS, NS, L&M, and Frisco (some
cars; others were rebuilt).

Richard Hendrickson
I've got a Precision USRA gon that came painted for NYC. It's my
impression that these NYC cars weren't around in unmodified form in
the era I'm interested in (1945 on). I would like to repaint it for
M&StL or Frisco because the above quote. I, so far, haven't found
photos for lettering. Can anyone direct me? I would think that both
would have been painted one of the many variants of "freight car
red". Does anyone disagree?

Edward Sutorik

Re: ARA 1932 boxcar

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Hi again, Brian. "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" by Sweetland/Horsley shows a BAR car on page 9 with dreadnaught ends. The car was built in 1938 to a 1932 AAR design (paraphrasing the caption), but the photo shows 4x5 Dreadnaught ends. The model has 4x4 ends. Otherwise the cars look the same, including 2-board tack boards. Photo is dated 1974.
Regards,
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian J Carlson
To: Norman+Laraine Larkin
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: ARA 1932 boxcar


Norm I mean Bangor and Aroostock. I don't have a specific kit for that car. I have an MEC kit and one for Clichfield. Both MEC and Clichfield have the dreadnaught ends. i don't recall in BAR does.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:40:21 -0400, Norman+ine LaraLarkin wrote
> Brian Carlson said: "Summary, I have this one model. I may buy more if I can update this one
> easily. I need a few MP "Route of the Eagles," and one, MEC Green scheme,
> one B&A, and NKP. Otherwise I will build the F&C kits I have stashed. As
> stated earlier the comments are my own,YMMV."
>
> Hi, Brian. I assume you mean Boston & Albany (B&A), and if so, do you have an F&C kit, or will you modify an Atlas model?
> Regards,
> Norm Larkin
>
>


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Sunshine Kits for sale

James Fellows
 

I have two 50' AAR 70 ton flat cars for sale. One NH the other NYC. $25.00 each plus $5.00 shipping, or both for $50.00 with free shipping. Please contact me off list. (Shipping in US only)

Thanks,

Jim Fellows

Re: Paint Failure on Outside Metal Roofs

water.kresse@...
 

Do we know what type of galvanizing process we are talking about? I assume some type of hot dipped line with a lesser coating thickness and spangle than the typical bucket and garbage can material? US Steel's Gray Works had an old building next to their newer Hot Dip line that they referred to as the bucket line.

Early automotive materials of the late-60s/early-70s were either paint-on (visible) or hot-dipped galvanized (hidden) sheet steel. The body shop would then use a phosphate wash and rise before electro-coating primming the steel before painting the fabricated bodies. It was a pain to spot weld.

There would be a minimum weight (ounces) of zinc per square yard specified.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>

You all never heard of "acid rain"? The eastern U.S. was
a harsh environment for paint. I grew up in NJ in the 60's
and I can tell you that paint on autos deteriorated very
rapidly compared to places like California or Cuba... so I
am certain that rates of deterioration varied a lot around
the US.

There's a great photo inside the front cover of "West From
Omaha" of a 1-1/2 door CofG 1937 box car that shows peeled
paint on the roof, rusty seams and doors and faded paint -
a real case study in grime deposits and weathering.

Tim O'Connor

Walter M. Clark wrote:
A follow-up: regarding the 1937 AAR house cars, about how long, on
average (I'm only asking for a reasonably close guess here <g>) did it
take for the paint to begin failing? I'm (eventually) building
several Red Caboose 1937 AAR box cars, both corner types, and am
modeling November 1941.
Gosh, Walter, it must have varied <g>. But I'd guess that few
1937-design cars were showing much paint failure by 1941 (and remember
that not all 1937 designs were BUILT in that year).

Tony Thompson

Re: Archer decal rivet application

Robert kirkham
 


To be indelicate, under very high magnification they look like little
piles of dog poop, but once on the model and sealed I think they look
pretty good.

Tom Madden
Another fine-scale modelling application!

Seriously, I'm slowly working on a project to build a tank car tank using these, and your results are very motivating Tom. Thanks for posting the photos. When are those roofs going to be available?

Rob Kirkham

ARA 1932 boxcar

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Brian Carlson said: "Summary, I have this one model. I may buy more if I can update this one
easily. I need a few MP "Route of the Eagles," and one, MEC Green scheme,
one B&A, and NKP. Otherwise I will build the F&C kits I have stashed. As
stated earlier the comments are my own,YMMV."

Hi, Brian. I assume you mean Boston & Albany (B&A), and if so, do you have an F&C kit, or will you modify an Atlas model?
Regards,
Norm Larkin

Re: Archer decal rivet application

naptownprr
 

Since some folks model bird droppings - why not use the rivets to model, well, other kinds of droppings?

Quoting Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>:

It's not freight cars per se, but the application works for them. See:

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Archer1.jpg

and

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Archer2.jpg

These are Archer's smallest rivets and closest centers. I cut strips
of them from the decal sheet and applied them in the standard way.
They're on Microscale decal paper, so I used Micro Sol to set them.
After they had dried overnight I sealed them with a spray coat of
clear matte lacquer. The rivets were a bit fragile before the seal
coat, with a tendency to chip off if you weren't careful with your
fingernails. Not surprising, considering they are real 3D objects.
Very easy to repair, just cut another one from the sheet. Being
decals, you have a lot of freedom (and time) to get them in position.
Once sealed, they are very rugged and withstood the mold making
process with no problems.

To be indelicate, under very high magnification they look like little
piles of dog poop, but once on the model and sealed I think they look
pretty good.

Tom Madden

Archer decal rivet application

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

It's not freight cars per se, but the application works for them. See:

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Archer1.jpg

and

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Archer2.jpg

These are Archer's smallest rivets and closest centers. I cut strips
of them from the decal sheet and applied them in the standard way.
They're on Microscale decal paper, so I used Micro Sol to set them.
After they had dried overnight I sealed them with a spray coat of
clear matte lacquer. The rivets were a bit fragile before the seal
coat, with a tendency to chip off if you weren't careful with your
fingernails. Not surprising, considering they are real 3D objects.
Very easy to repair, just cut another one from the sheet. Being
decals, you have a lot of freedom (and time) to get them in position.
Once sealed, they are very rugged and withstood the mold making
process with no problems.

To be indelicate, under very high magnification they look like little
piles of dog poop, but once on the model and sealed I think they look
pretty good.

Tom Madden

Re: USRA Standard 100-ton Gondola Car Design

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Another source of a copy, though more expensive than the one on E-bay . . .
The R&LHS sells them for face value.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

NYC Rebuilt USRA Gondolas - black colour scheme

Monk Alan
 

Hi folks,

just taken delivery of my third NYC's rebuilt USRA gon (F&C kit) and,
for variety (having finished the first two in freight car red/brown) I
rather fancy finishing it in the earlier NYC black colour scheme which
was applied, according to the instructions, throught to 1942. Couple of
questions first though...

1. Was the lettering any different to that supplied with the kit?

2. Would the black scheme still be seen in the mid-50s (when my layout
will be set)??

A pointer to a pic verifying either/both would be a bonus!

Thanks

Alan,
London, UK


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Re: USRA Standard 100-ton Gondola Car Design

Don Burn
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <water.kresse@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: USRA Standard 100-ton Gondola Car Design


Ben,

Thanks. I get someone local to do it for me. I have neither an eBay nor a PayPal account. I may have to rethink that strategy.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Al Kresse asked:
"How does one in the middle of Michigan find a copy of this 1973
publication?"

Here's one on eBay with a "Buy it Now" price of $9.95:
http://tinyurl.com/4mnkvy

Ben Hom








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Re: USRA Standard 100-ton Gondola Car Design

water.kresse@...
 

Ben,

Thanks. I get someone local to do it for me. I have neither an eBay nor a PayPal account. I may have to rethink that strategy.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Al Kresse asked:
"How does one in the middle of Michigan find a copy of this 1973
publication?"

Here's one on eBay with a "Buy it Now" price of $9.95:
http://tinyurl.com/4mnkvy

Ben Hom