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Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society’s Website

Stokes John
 

Apparently the box was converted, or originally built, to carry coal in bulk, with top loading hatches and side unloading doors. Very interesting arrangement. Would make an interesting model, something to do with those surplus wooden box cars.

John Stokes
bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: riverob@gmail.comDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:55:23 +0000Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Societys Website




It looks like the WCC car has roof hatches.Rob Simpson--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:<sni>> Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin > Coal Co.) to the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy & > Peoria Railway at Iron Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900> > http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529<snip>


Re: Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society’s Website

Robert <riverob@...>
 

It looks like the WCC car has roof hatches.

Rob Simpson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>
wrote:
<sni>
Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin
Coal Co.) to the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy &
Peoria Railway at Iron Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900

http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529
<snip>


Freight Car Images From The Wisconsin Historical Society’s Website

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

The Wisconsin Historical Society's website
(http://wisconsinhistory.org/) has several railroad subject images.
Below are links to some of these images. Enjoy.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
===================
A 1912 image of a Frisco Box car. It appears that the upper door
guide has seen a lot of service.

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=9724

New York Central box car image taken in 1917:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=35439

Unloading fiber at an International Harvester twine mill, c 1948.
Freight car appears to be a Santa Fe box car with map logo.

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=59424

Same activity and location, different box car.:

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=59422

Transferring bodies of a standard gauge box car (of the Wisconsin
Coal Co.) to the narrow gauge trucks of the Fond du Lac, Amboy &
Peoria Railway at Iron Mountain, Wisconsin., c 1900

http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=24529

1911 image of rail cars carrying two 150 horse-power boilers for use
in the temporary power plant at the dam construction site at Prairie
du Sac. The cars also carry sections of smoke stack.

http://wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=49515


Re: NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars

Terry Link <trlink@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>

Answer: The most under-represented car on steam era layouts, Lot 414-
B is a 1000-car lot of NYC's 8 ft 7 in IH USRA-design steel boxcars,
NYC 180000-180999 (original), renumbered to NYC 101000-101999. If
you take all of the different IH of these cars as a group, the
numbers are on the same order as the PRR X29 fleet.

There was an announcement over 2 years ago that Sun Models was going to produce these cars. Anyone know what the status of these is ?


Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Sunshine sells "4 General American Duryea underframe parts/details for
modification of plastic & resin 40' boxcar kits" which might be useful.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----


Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the
best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr


First offset-sides steel coal car

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Folks,

What and when was the first offset-sides construction coal car? I've
the VGN 50000 120-ton gon blt June 1917 by Pressed Stl Car Co and VGN
G4 Class blt in Nov 1920. Earlier N&W 90-ton gons were flush-sides
cars. C&O 100000-10999 91-ton gons were not blt until Feb 1922
(Pressed Stl and Standard Stl car co's).

Did the Pressed Steel Car Company have a patent on this design?

Enterprise has a patent that is similar but for a hopper car
construction in awarded in 1925.

Al Kresse


Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Ted Culotta's Speedwitch makes a Red Caboose M-26 to M-26d/e
conversion fkit and one bundled with a boxcar kit.

The troubles are:

(1) patent research by Bob Witt and myself show that the Duryea
underframe product evolved over time, and B&O always bought the
latest version.

(2) versions for hoppers and boxcars differ a lot.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the
best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr

In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:21:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmischke@... writes:


Prototype B&O W-7's had Duryea underframes, so the Accurail triple
bay offset side hopper is not quite right.

I did not help with that one. Nor the 1956 Athearn quad hopper.





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@> wrote:


On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

After watching obscure ATSF and Missouri Pacific versions of
popular
car types come out because of some consultant's favorite
railroad,
it's
feels good to win one.

Jim Mischke
B&OHS Model Committee
Jim,
Uhh, what I don't quite understand is why there wasn't a similar
vague
reference to the obscure Accurail triple offset-side AAR 70-ton
hopper
car that was ONLY correct (albeit poorly rendered Z-sections on
the
ends) for 1,000 B&O W-7 cars produced in 1947. I've often
wondered
how
that "rare" car happened to be selected when there were other
superior
choices. Surely the decision wasn't made by some self-interested
B&O
modeler. At any rate, I'm glad you have learned the process of
how
to
get self-interest models produced. Among other good choices,
could
the
B&O version of the AAR 50-ton hopper car (a car that was built
in
huge
numbers) be far away? <g>
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

Thanks Jim.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:44:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jimandlisa97225@verizon.net writes:

Sunshine sells "4 General American Duryea underframe parts/details for
modification of plastic & resin 40' boxcar kits" which might be useful.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----


Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the
best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr

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Re: First offset-sides steel coal car

SUVCWORR@...
 

The VGN 50000 was not an offset side car. It was an outside rib battleship
gon.

According to Martin Karig in "Coal Cars the First Three Hundred Years" The
first offset cars were built for the C&O in 1921 (pg 261) #100000 - 100999.
The first patent for the design was issued to John A. Pilcher (# 1,433,096)
on Oct 24, 1922. The next patent was issued to Enterprise (#1,537,051) May
1925. Wine received a patent for a different offset design in 1929
(#1,698,866). A fourth patent was issued to William F. Kiesel, Jr. Mechanical Engineer
for the PRR in 1931 (#1,834,952) and was used in the PRR class H27. (See pg
74 of Karig) See also Karig pg 298-329 for photos. The Wine design was
licensed to the ARA and was adopted as the 1928 standard practice design.

Rich Or

In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:42:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
water.kresse@comcast.net writes:

Folks,

What and when was the first offset-sides construction coal car? I've
the VGN 50000 120-ton gon blt June 1917 by Pressed Stl Car Co and VGN
G4 Class blt in Nov 1920. Earlier N&W 90-ton gons were flush-sides
cars. C&O 100000-10999 91-ton gons were not blt until Feb 1922
(Pressed Stl and Standard Stl car co's).

Did the Pressed Steel Car Company have a patent on this design?

Enterprise has a patent that is similar but for a hopper car
construction in awarded in 1925.

Al Kresse


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Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

Jim,

Thanks for the info. But I think you may have inadvertently compounded my
problem. I am attempting to convert a few cabooses.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 10/22/2008 4:32:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmischke@worldnet.att.net writes:


Ted Culotta's Speedwitch makes a Red Caboose M-26 to M-26d/e
conversion fkit and one bundled with a boxcar kit.

The troubles are:

(1) patent research by Bob Witt and myself show that the Duryea
underframe product evolved over time, and B&O always bought the
latest version.

(2) versions for hoppers and boxcars differ a lot.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


Does anyone make a Duryea underframe conversion kit? Or is the
best thing
to fake it by extending the coupler pockets?

Rich Orr

In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:21:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jmischke@... writes:


Prototype B&O W-7's had Duryea underframes, so the Accurail triple
bay offset side hopper is not quite right.

I did not help with that one. Nor the 1956 Athearn quad hopper.





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@> wrote:
>

On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

After watching obscure ATSF and Missouri Pacific versions of
popular
> > car types come out because of some consultant's favorite
railroad,
it's
feels good to win one.

Jim Mischke
B&OHS Model Committee
Jim,
Uhh, what I don't quite understand is why there wasn't a similar
vague
reference to the obscure Accurail triple offset-side AAR 70-ton
hopper
> car that was ONLY correct (albeit poorly rendered Z-sections on
the
ends) for 1,000 B&O W-7 cars produced in 1947. I've often
wondered
how
that "rare" car happened to be selected when there were other
superior
choices. Surely the decision wasn't made by some self-interested
B&O
modeler. At any rate, I'm glad you have learned the process of
how
to
get self-interest models produced. Among other good choices,
could
the
B&O version of the AAR 50-ton hopper car (a car that was built
in
huge
numbers) be far away? <g>
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Ben,
Thanks for those two very useful references. I'll print out both and
put them with my NYC material.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Gene Green wrote:
"It seems easier to find model matches for the PRR cars. The NYC
and
subsidiaries appear to present more of a challenge. That is why I
asked all the questions."

I think the biggest reason behind the under-representation of NYC
boxcars on a typical layout (aside from SPFs with a tenuous grip on
reality) is a lack of understanding of the NYC boxcar fleet brought
on by the Byzantine lot number system. For example, almost
everyone
on this list knows what a PRR Class X29 boxcar is, but how many of
you know off the top of your head what a NYC Lot 414-B boxcar looks
like? (Answer at bottom of page.)

For more online on understanding the NYC boxcar fleet, see:

Jeff English's handout from the 2000 Hunt Valley PM Meet on the
subject:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/nycsboxmain.html

Terry Link's breakdown of NYC freight car lots, including links to
equipment diagrams and photos:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm


Ben Hom

Answer: The most under-represented car on steam era layouts, Lot
414-
B is a 1000-car lot of NYC's 8 ft 7 in IH USRA-design steel boxcars,
NYC 180000-180999 (original), renumbered to NYC 101000-101999. If
you take all of the different IH of these cars as a group, the
numbers are on the same order as the PRR X29 fleet.


Re: Image: loading an automobile car in Wichita, Ks 1929

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 22, 2008, at 8:15 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

David Snook wrote:
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.4.jpg
<http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.4.jpg>

"I wonder if all of those crates will fit in the one car?"

From the looks of it, no. However, note that there are TWO automobile
boxcars in the photo - the WAB car is most likely a 21250-series 1-1/2
door DS automobile boxcar. The radial roof is a key spotting feature
differentiating this car from a USRA DS boxcar.











Ben is, as usual, correct. I will add that what's in those crates is
one or more Travelair biplanes, and that Travelair was (at the time)
one of the largest and most successful aircraft manufacturers in the
U.S. The superiority of Travelair's aircraft can be accounted for by
the fact that the company was run by a partnership consisting of
Clyde Cessna, Walter Beech, and Lloyd Stearman, all of whom went on
to establish their own aircraft companies and become legends in the
industry. All three designed aircraft during the 1930s of which many
are still flying. As are a number of Travelairs, though the last of
them were built in 1930. I've flown in one. Now, back to freight
cars before I hear the creaking hinges of moderate jail.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Image: loading an automobile car in Wichita, Ks 1929

brianehni <behni@...>
 

Wonder who in Honolulu got the Travel-Air airplane?

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

David Snook wrote:
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.4.jpg
<http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.4.jpg>

"I wonder if all of those crates will fit in the one car?"

From the looks of it, no. However, note that there are TWO automobile
boxcars in the photo - the WAB car is most likely a 21250-series 1-1/2
door DS automobile boxcar. The radial roof is a key spotting feature
differentiating this car from a USRA DS boxcar.


Ben Hom


Re: Image: loading an automobile car in Wichita, Ks 1929

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

David Snook wrote:
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.4.jpg
<http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.4.jpg>

"I wonder if all of those crates will fit in the one car?"

From the looks of it, no. However, note that there are TWO automobile
boxcars in the photo - the WAB car is most likely a 21250-series 1-1/2
door DS automobile boxcar. The radial roof is a key spotting feature
differentiating this car from a USRA DS boxcar.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC PMcK&Y USRA S-S box cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
"It seems easier to find model matches for the PRR cars. The NYC and
subsidiaries appear to present more of a challenge. That is why I
asked all the questions."

I think the biggest reason behind the under-representation of NYC
boxcars on a typical layout (aside from SPFs with a tenuous grip on
reality) is a lack of understanding of the NYC boxcar fleet brought
on by the Byzantine lot number system. For example, almost everyone
on this list knows what a PRR Class X29 boxcar is, but how many of
you know off the top of your head what a NYC Lot 414-B boxcar looks
like? (Answer at bottom of page.)

For more online on understanding the NYC boxcar fleet, see:

Jeff English's handout from the 2000 Hunt Valley PM Meet on the
subject:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/nycsboxmain.html

Terry Link's breakdown of NYC freight car lots, including links to
equipment diagrams and photos:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm


Ben Hom

Answer: The most under-represented car on steam era layouts, Lot 414-
B is a 1000-car lot of NYC's 8 ft 7 in IH USRA-design steel boxcars,
NYC 180000-180999 (original), renumbered to NYC 101000-101999. If
you take all of the different IH of these cars as a group, the
numbers are on the same order as the PRR X29 fleet.


Re: Plans to build in 1 1/2" scale

csxt5555
 

I build in 1 1/2 scale.  I  model the Clinchfield and am currently working on a CRR E-3 ex DRGW 4-6-6-4.  I have posted in the photo section in a folder called 1.5 scale the boxcar ends and roofs that I have done.  I will be doing  4/4, 4/3, etc ends and maybe roof.  Also will be working on some gons and outside braced boxcars.
 
-Kevin Sprayberry

--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Paul Catapano <pc66ot@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Paul Catapano <pc66ot@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Plans to build in 1 1/2" scale
To: "Steam_Era" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 7:56 PM






I'm looking for plans for an outside braced boxcar, hopefully the braces are wood, to build a 1-1/2" scale car. Cars of the 1890's all seem to be sheathed, and cars of post WWI seem to be to modern. It can be a generic, since it is going to be scenery.
 
Please any help off list will be appreciated. Sorry to be so vague, but we're looking for a "stand in" car who's era seems to be important, go figure.

Paul Catapano
Littlerock Subdivision
Atlantic Inland Railway Co.

"All it takes to start an insane asylum
is a big room and the right kind of people"

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Re: Plans to build in 1 1/2" scale

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Paul Catapano wrote:
I'm looking for plans for an outside braced boxcar, hopefully the braces are wood, to build a 1-1/2" scale car. Cars of the 1890's all seem to be sheathed . . .
That's because they were protecting those wood trusses from the weather. Even early in the 20th century, railroads (at least the progressive ones) were already using steel framing.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Plans to build in 1 1/2" scale

Paul Catapano
 

I'm looking for plans for an outside braced boxcar, hopefully the braces are wood, to build a 1-1/2" scale car. Cars of the 1890's all seem to be sheathed, and cars of post WWI seem to be to modern. It can be a generic, since it is going to be scenery.
 
Please any help off list will be appreciated. Sorry to be so vague, but we're looking for a "stand in" car who's era seems to be important, go figure.

Paul Catapano
Littlerock Subdivision
Atlantic Inland Railway Co.

"All it takes to start an insane asylum
is a big room and the right kind of people"

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Re: Image: loading an automobile car in Wichita, Ks 1929

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

Great site, with a lot of 1930's pics. This one shows a (Missouri Pacific) auto car with end doors being loaded with aircraft in a crate. Looks like at least a pinched finger job.  
 
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_tms408.9.factory.3.jpg
 
Michael Bishop






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Re: Freight car distribution, but not the usual question.

Doug Rhodes
 

Hello Clark

Names sometimes arose before places looked on the map the way they do today.

When Ontario entered Canada it was a much smaller province, basically just the area immediately north of the Great Lakes. In 1867 the term "southwestern Ontario" would have made more sense given the shape of the province on the map. You can google or check here to see http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/English/exhibits/maps/boundaries.htm

Sort of like that university in Chicago area called "Northwestern" when it might be more logical to call it "Midwestern", but Chicago was once in the "northwest" of the USA. Which is also why Seattle is in the "Pacific northwest" as opposed to any other kind.

Freight cars also sometimes carry names that no longer make much geographic sense (mandatory content!)

Doug Rhodes

----- Original Message -----
From: pierreoliver2003
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight car distribution, but not the usual question.


Just so we're clear,I don't get it either.
But there are many things in my life I don't always understand, and I
think we should leave it at that.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:
>
> --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pierreoliver2003" <pierre.oliver@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Frank is correct in calling that region Southwestern Ontario. The
> > region you are referring to is generally called Northern Ontario. >
> Pierre Oliver
> >
> Gee, I guess I got a geography lesson? Here I always thought we
> traveled to NW Ontario. It's just northern? There's no west? You sire
> you aren't from Quebec? He he
>
> In North Central Iowa, part of the Upper Mid-west.
> Clark Propst
>

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