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Re: Gons w/wood floors

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks to all who responded to my question. Thanks to Guy who pointed
out that the provision DID pass. Thanks to all those who made
reference to actual sightings or photos of gondolas with the W. Now we
have still another detail to include but only for the last 3 years of
interest to this group.

Gene Green


Read before writing

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Sorry about message 77118 which repeats some information contained in
Richard Hendrickson's earlier message. I need to read all the messages
before responding to any messages. Richard H's responses are always
better and more accurate than mine.

Gene Green


Re: a GATX prototype for SC&F tanks?

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Rob,
Don't forget that GATX acquired Standard Tank Car in 1928. Whether
this was GATX's only tank car manufacturing facility or one among
several I can't say but, at least for a while, GATX would have been the
manufacturer of tank cars to Standard's designs. It is quite likely
they would have manufacturered "Standard" tank cars for their own fleet.
(GATX manufacturered tank cars in Chicago in earlier years.)

Gene Green


Re: Gons w/wood floors

cinderandeight@...
 

Guys,
The PRR also used the W in a Circle logo for wood floor gondolas. I have
dozens of photos with it. It was placed on the right end of the cars usually
on the third panel about a third of the way up the car side..
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Re: a GATX prototype for SC&F tanks?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:

I'm thinking about the modelling options for the SC&F tank car
offerings.
I've at least one Standard Tank car in private ownership paint and
lettering
I can justify, but I'm hoping to find more generic uses for these
models.
Just wondering about the 6000 gallon and 8000 gallon cars (or any
of the
others projected) from Southern Car & Foundry as possible matches
to any of
the cars purchased over the years (second hand I imagine) by GATX?







When GATC acquired the George Woodsmith holdings in 1928, they got
not only the STC plant at Sharon, PA but also the Standard Tank Car
Co.'s STCX leasing fleet as well as the Quaker City Tank Line, and
in later years they took over a variety of STC cars from private
owners who sold their tank car fleets to General American. I have
numerous photos of STC cars after they were absorbed into the GATX
fleet.

Richard Hendrickson


a GATX prototype for SC&F tanks?

Robert kirkham
 

I'm thinking about the modelling options for the SC&F tank car offerings. I've at least one Standard Tank car in private ownership paint and lettering I can justify, but I'm hoping to find more generic uses for these models. Just wondering about the 6000 gallon and 8000 gallon cars (or any of the others projected) from Southern Car & Foundry as possible matches to any of the cars purchased over the years (second hand I imagine) by GATX?

As has been explained on this list a few times by those of you who have really studied the subject, the GATX fleet was in part comprised of many the tank cars of many other smaller companies through acquisitions (both corporate purchases and purchase of assets alone?) made by the company. I also vaguely understand that most of this had happened into the thirties so that by the time I model (1946) it was largely done. It is also evident that a certain number of the cars they took over were Standard Tank car designs, similar to the models now about to come on lien from Southern car & Foundry.

As a result, is there any broader collection of evidence to justify numbering each of the varieties of cars offered by SC&F into GATX lettering? Are number series available. I can't see using specialty service cars like Kellogg's for my modeling north of the border in Vancouver, so would like to hear about the more generic GATX fleet.....

thanks in advance,

Rob Kirkham


Re: Gons w/wood floors

George Hollwedel
 

I've seen pictures of WP gons with the W

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--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...> wrote:

From: Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Gons w/wood floors
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 7:51 PM
I can't recall ever seeing a gondola
or a picture of a gondola with an 8 inch ring with
the letter W in
the middle.
I've seen it on C&O gons, circa 1960 (roughly.)
Scott Pitzer



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Re: Gons w/wood floors

Scott Pitzer
 

I can't recall ever seeing a gondola
or a picture of a gondola with an 8 inch ring with the letter W in
the middle.
I've seen it on C&O gons, circa 1960 (roughly.)
Scott Pitzer


The Keystone Modeler - November 2008

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

The November issue of The Keystone Modeler is posted online at
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm
featuring the following articles of interest:

Large Scale Class FM by Karl-Hans Koch
Making Bowser Better - F30A and F30D TOFC Flat Cars by Stan Rydarowicz
2008 New England RPM by Tim Garner


Ben Hom


Gons w/wood floors

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Quoting from the 1956 Proceedings of the AAR's Mechanaical
Division, "IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS FOR GONDOLA CARS EQUIPPED WITH
WOOD FLOORS

"The General Committee, Operating-Transportation Division,
unanimously adopted the provision to the effect that all gondola cars
equipped with wood floors should be so designated by a symbol "W"
stencilled on the side of the car in order to save time in switching
as well as protect the placing of cars with wood floors where they
are not desired or required.

"The Mechanical Division was instructed to provide for a location on
the side of the car and a type of designation symbol so that
stencilling on all such cars would be uniform.

"A new plate as shown in Exhibit "M" of this report has been prepared
covering this request and is respectfully submitted as a letter
ballot item for approval by the members."

This may not have passed because I can't recall ever seeing a gondola
or a picture of a gondola with an 8 inch ring with the letter W in
the middle. Has anyone else ever come across such a stencil on a
gondola?

Gene Green


Re: sunshine's models visit to Kansas City Sat . Nov 15 ,2008

Steve SANDIFER
 

----- Original Message -----
From: radius158
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] sunshine's models visit to Kansas City Sat . Nov 15 ,2008


Does anyone know any particulars about the show in Kansas City(Shawnee
Mission) that Sunshine models will be present at?? I mean ?modelers
show etc? Sale ? Doug Gadner


sunshine's models visit to Kansas City Sat . Nov 15 ,2008

radius158
 

Does anyone know any particulars about the show in Kansas City(Shawnee
Mission) that Sunshine models will be present at?? I mean ?modelers
show etc? Sale ? Doug Gadner


Re: Gons w/wood floors

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 11/11/2008 3:55:36 PM Central Standard Time,
bierglaeser@... writes:

This may not have passed because I can't recall ever seeing a gondola
or a picture of a gondola with an 8 inch ring with the letter W in
the middle.


Gene,

Sure it did...look on pages 487 and 494. The proposition was adopted (via
letter ballot) as "recommended" practice and became effective March 1, 1957.

Regards,

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Re: Mather Reefer help

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 9, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

In Richard Hendrickson's article in the December 1987 issue of Model
Railroading on Mather Boxcars and Reefers there are a few photos of
Mather
reefers leased to Rath. Unfortunately, many of the photos are
reproduced
small and it is hard to see what trucks Mather Reefers had in the mid
1950's. I picked up a Red Caboose Mather Reefer kit for Rath with the
Indian head "Blackhawk" scheme. The kit came with Spring plank
trucks.(Accurail ones.) I believe these are correct, Does anyone
know the
most common trucks under Mather Reefers in the 1950's? I should
note this
model has wood ends, some of the Mather cars were rebuilt with
Improved
dreadnaught ends and appear to have received new trucks also.











Brian, Mather started replacing Andrews trucks on these cars with ARA
trucks in the early 1940s, if not before. I have a 1951 photo of
RPRX 571 showing ARA trucks with spring planks, so the Accurail
trucks in the kit are OK. Note that the 36' cars were never rebuilt
with steel ends, only the 40' Mather reefers.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wooden Craftsman Kits

James Eckman
 

Titebond3! Works for me.

Jim Eckman


Re: Mather Reefer help

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:
<snip>

Gene Green's excellent Reefer book has some Rath cars also but I can't
clearly tell what trucks are on the cars in the photo on the bottom
of page 71 and top of page 72.

A weed-whacker should be standard equipment for railfan photographers.

Gene Green


Re: Mather Reefer help

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Brian,

Check out my Buckeye ARA truck. It has the spring plank, springs
spaced close together, and open ended bolster (no centered vertical
rib) as seen in the photos. It's probably the closest you're going to
get.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Gene Green's excellent Reefer book has some Rath cars also but I can't
clearly tell what trucks are on the cars in the photo on the bottom
of page
71 and top of page 72.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.


Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: ADMIN: Re: Coaling Towers

anthony wagner
 

Wooden coaling towers were built of treated lumber, and except for associated machinery houses were probably never painted. The blackish appearance probably was a mixture of coal dust and coal smoke from engines being refueled. After years of service many color photos show the color as more of a weathered brown.  Tony Wagner

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Mike Brock <brockm@...> wrote:
From: Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [STMFC] Coaling Towers
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 9:15 AM











John Mateyko writes:



"I am scratch building a free lance wood coaling tower. Was any wood

coaling tower a color other than flat black? With all the detail in a

coaling tower that is hidden when a coat of black is applied, I am

thinking of painting the skeleton Santa Fe red and the walls of the

coal bin either yellow or staining the boards with diluted Min-Wax.

Either one would bring out the details of the walls of the bin and

hopefully draw visitors' eyes to the structure.

One disadvantage is that it might look too 'Lionelish'. "



Perhaps. However, I have not been able to find the classification of a

"Coaling Tower" frt car. John probably meant to send this to another group.

Guess I'll wander down to Moderate Jail.



Freight cars, guys.



Mike Brock

STMFC Owner


























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ADMIN: Re: Coaling Towers

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

John Mateyko writes:

"I am scratch building a free lance wood coaling tower. Was any wood
coaling tower a color other than flat black? With all the detail in a
coaling tower that is hidden when a coat of black is applied, I am
thinking of painting the skeleton Santa Fe red and the walls of the
coal bin either yellow or staining the boards with diluted Min-Wax.
Either one would bring out the details of the walls of the bin and
hopefully draw visitors' eyes to the structure.
One disadvantage is that it might look too 'Lionelish'."

Perhaps. However, I have not been able to find the classification of a "Coaling Tower" frt car. John probably meant to send this to another group. Guess I'll wander down to Moderate Jail.

Freight cars, guys.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Tank Car loading, and a "stmfc in the background" question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

I've posted a photo from the National Archives of Canada into the
"Frank's Randomness" folder in the files section, and would have two
questions.

1: Does anyone know of photos and other information regarding tank car
loading facilities like the one visible in the picture? Technical
information would be interesting, but I'm mostly hoping for info that
would help model such a facility.

2: On the left side of the photo there is a gon (? or a dump car?)
which appears to carry Imperial Oil lettering. Does anyone have
information on this/these car(s)? Who built them, what were they used for?

Thanks.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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