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Web site on my layout with a model freight car page.

Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

I started a small web site last Sunday and think it's ready for 'prime
time' viewing. There's a page with a few of my freight cars
highlighted. Any comments just email me off-list.

Charlie

http://mopac51.tripod.com/index.html


Re: NC&StL box cars

S hed <shed999@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this group so I hope I'm not repeating what someone else said but I do have some material on NC&StL cars because I was modeling the railroad at one time. So I do have a lot of material that I have collected over the years including Freight Cars Journal #63 on the NC&StL and the N&C's 1955 freight car diagram book.

So here is a brief summary of their steel box car roster:

XM-30 ARA 1932 18000 - 18301 Pullman (May 1937)
18302 - 18499 Pullman (June 1937)
Spring Plankless Trucks, wood running boards
All cars delivered with the "Dixie Line" logo only
I have photos that show these cars also were repainted in the Express service, "Brushstroke", and the yellow
stripe paint schemes.

XM-31 17800 - 17844 AC&F (1937)
Dahlman trucks, wood running boards
Rebuilt from FM-9 70200-series flat cars
All cars delivered in the "Dixie Line" logo only
The FM-9 flat cars are the Tichy cars
XM-32 20000 - 21179 NC&StL (1939 to 1945)
Cast Steel trucks, Apex Tri-Lok running boards, Miner "3290" hand brake
Rebuilt from wood sheathed box cars mainly from the XM-27 and XM-28 classes
The first car was delivered in the "Dixie Line" logo on the right hand side and the cursive "To and from
Dixieland" slogan on the left hand side. Eventually these cars were seen in the Brushstroke and yellow stripe
paint schemes.

XM-34 1937 AAR 18500 - 18999 Pullman (February and March 1942)
Miner "3290" hand brake, Spring Plankless Trucks, Apex roof walk
Cars were delivered in the "Brushstroke" paint scheme and without the "coonskin" logo. That logo wasn't
used until April 22, 1944 but I have seen these cars with the Brushstroke and the coonskin logo. So I would
imagine that the last batch of cars that were delivered to the N&C got those logos applied to them when
they were being inspected at the West Nashville shops. Or maybe when the cars were being re-weighed
before the yellow striped scheme was introduced.

XM-35 1944 AAR 19000 - 19499 Pullman (August and September 1947)
Miner "D-3290-X" hand brake, ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks, US Gypsum running board
Cars delivered in the yellow stripe paint scheme

XM PS-1 22000 - 22649 Pullman (January and February 1952)
22000 - 22249 -> Miner D-3290-X hand brake, Kerrigan running board
22250 - 22449 -> Ajax hand brake, US Gypsum running board
22450 - 22649 -> Universal "1975-2195" hand brake, Apex running board
22000 - 22324 -> ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks
22325 - 22649 -> Scullin trucks
The car drawings do not say exactly which number series got what appliance. But judging from the what the
drawing says and from photo evidence that what I have listed is probably true to what the cars had when
they were delivered. These cars never got a classification number so they are not the XM-36 class.

I hope that this helps.

Steve Hedlund
Everett, WA




To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: hawk0621@sbcglobal.netDate: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:47:32 -0600Subject: Re: [STMFC] NC&StL box cars



On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:> NC&StL #18503 (1937 AAR) -- correct trucks?> NC&Stl #22043 (PS-1) -- running board, hand brake?>> Regarding Ed Hawkins' PS-1 spreadsheet, what is the P/B> column? I thought it might be tackboard placement (H/L)> but then some of the cells are "H/O"... ??Tim,From the bill of materials for the NC&StL 1937 AAR cars series 18500-18999, all cars had AAR spring plankless trucks with the first 250 from Scullin and the last 250 from American Steel Foundries. All cars had chilled wheels.I don't have an appliance breakdown on the NC&StL PS-1s except that Miner, Ajax, and Universal hand brakes were used as well as Kerrigan, U.S. Gypsum, and Apex running boards & brake steps.Cars 22071 and 22145 that were in the front end of the order received Miner hand brakes and Kerrigan running boards & brake steps. This is documented by photos. Car 22322 had a U.S. Gypsum running board & brake step. Cars 22482 & 22631 had Universal hand brakes and Apex running boards & brake steps.In the 40' PS-1 roster I compiled, P/B refers to the placement of the Placard Boards on the doors. The first letter (either H or L) designates if the door placard was in a high or low position. The second portion designates if the placard was centered (C) or offset (O) to one side. Any number (either a 2 or 3) designates the panel position of the placard for variations found on 6-panel Superior doors. For variants of 7-panel Superior doors, I don't specify where the placard was located because the location is inherent in the door description.Contact me off list if you have any questions.Regards,Ed Hawkins





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Re: MoPac 42-Foot Flatcar

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:33 AM, chapbob@aol.com wrote:

A few years ago, Sunshine Models brought out a MoPac woodrack, number
series
#1400-1499. MoPac rebuilt the prototype woodracks in 1937 from 42-foot
fishbelly-side flatcars.

I hijacked the model's bulkheads for another project, and am left
with the
carbody which I would like to build as the pre-conversion MoPac
flatcar. Some
questions for the MoPac'ers on the list:

1) What number series were the predecessor flatcars that MoPac
rebuilt into
the #1400-1499 woodracks?

2) How many stake pockets per side on the MoPac 42-foot flatcars?

3) What color were the flatcars? (Black?)
Bob,
From available data that I've found, the cars were built new at MoPac's
DeSoto, Mo. shops in 1937. The M.P. diagram for the cars gives no
indications that they were converted from cars built earlier and state
they were built at DeSoto in 1937. The end bulkheads were Murphy
corrugated sheets that were most likely taken from dismantled box cars.

The good news for you is that the flat car used for the 1400-1499 rack
cars was from the same general arrangement drawing used on M.P. flat
cars in series 8600-8996 (built 1936) and 9000-9199 (built 1937). The
cars were 41'-3" over flooring and 42' over strikers. They had 13 stake
pockets per side and were painted black with white stencils through
1960.

Ron Merrick wrote a 6-page article about MoPac's 13 stake-pocket flat
cars that was published in the Fall 2006 Eagle, which is available on
the MPHS web site (www.mopac.org.). These flat cars also related
directly to MoPac's container service started circa 1954. This was a
subject of Dick Ryker's recent Naperville presentation.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: MN&S PS-2 box cars

Thomas Baker
 

Sorry for that goof. Yes, of course I am referring to the PS-1 box cars, not to the covered hoppers. I am sorry I didn't catch that mistake.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Anthony Thompson
Sent: Sat 11/15/2008 7:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: MN&S PS-2 box cars

Tom Baker wrote:
Can someone out there tell when the MN&S received its first PS-2 box
cars and what the number series was?
Never. The PS-2 design was a covered hopper. Box cars of whatever
size were PS-1 design.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


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Re: B&O Duryea UF

Lawrence Rast
 

Bill,

Thanks very much. Those will be terrifically helpful!

Lawrence Rast

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:52 PM, proto48er <atkott@swbell.net> wrote:
Bill -

Thank you very much for posting the underframe photos. They will come
in handy when finishing an "O" scale PSC M-26.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "william darnaby" <WDarnaby@...> wrote:

In early October I took some photos of a B&O M26 with a Duryea UF
that is sitting in a small park north of Milan, OH. Somebody asked if
I would place the photos in the list's photo archives. I have. I am
not forgetful...just very distractable.

Bill Darnaby



Naperville 2008 - Chris Zygmunt's NP 37168 (was Re: Cocoa Beach...)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

David Newcomb asked:
"I have another question concerning Chris Z's work from the 2008
Naperville meet. It is a NP boxcar:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/105603683
Anyone know the manufacturer for this car?"

Funaro & Camerlengo:
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/1006.html


Ben Hom


(No subject)

dtnewcomb
 

Larry;

I live near Seattle, if you want a new RR buddy I up for a cup of joe.

David Newcomb
Vashon

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...> wrote:

Hi Fellow list buddies.
I writing this to let you know I will not be at Cocoa Beach this
year. I am moving back to Seattle area By the end of Dec. I never
really liked Florida. We came down to look after my wife's Mother.
She died in Jan 2007 and my wife died in Oct 2007. I have a daughter
in Seattle. She wants me to move out there. I will still be on the
list but my health is going down hill and this will probably be my
last plane flight..
Thank you all
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...


Re: Cocoa Beach - Chris Zygmunt's SP 106433 Boxcar

dtnewcomb
 

I have another question concerning Chris Z's work from the 2008
Naperville meet. It is a NP boxcar:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/105603683

Anyone know the manufacturer for this car?

Thanks,

David Newcomb



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...>
wrote:

Guys,

Is Chris Zygmunt a listmember? I'd like to know more about the
work he did to his model of SP 106433:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/54654310

1) I assume it's a Red Caboose/IMWX kit to start with, yes?

2) Whose brake detail parts were used for the rigging?

3) What did you use for weathering to bring about that typically
SP aged "yellowy" look to the lettering?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Re: MN&S PS-2 box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Baker wrote:
Can someone out there tell when the MN&S received its first PS-2 box cars and what the number series was?
Never. The PS-2 design was a covered hopper. Box cars of whatever size were PS-1 design.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: B&O Duryea UF

proto48er
 

Bill -

Thank you very much for posting the underframe photos. They will come
in handy when finishing an "O" scale PSC M-26.

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "william darnaby" <WDarnaby@...> wrote:

In early October I took some photos of a B&O M26 with a Duryea UF
that is sitting in a small park north of Milan, OH. Somebody asked if
I would place the photos in the list's photo archives. I have. I am
not forgetful...just very distractable.

Bill Darnaby

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: MN&S PS-2 box cars

Thomas Baker
 

Can someone out there tell when the MN&S received its first PS-2 box cars and what the number series was?

Tom


APRIL 1956, JULY 1956 & OCTOBER 1956 ORER DATA NEEDED

Dick
 

I am seeking car count data from the APRIL, JULY and OCTOBER 1956 ORER
books. If you can assist with this data please contact me off list.

Thanks in advance.

Dick Kashdin
Clarence, NY


B&O Duryea UF

Bill Darnaby
 

In early October I took some photos of a B&O M26 with a Duryea UF that is sitting in a small park north of Milan, OH. Somebody asked if I would place the photos in the list's photo archives. I have. I am not forgetful...just very distractable.

Bill Darnaby


National Steel Car.

Andrew Wallice Matheson <Grandtrunkrailroad@...>
 

Hi Group, Nov 15th, 08.
Saturday 113:50 Hrs. M.S.T.


This Site Has a NICE HABBIT of Doing the Rounds
on Other Train/Model Railroad Groups, so I'm Passing
on 4 Others -
Feel Free to Pass on to Other Groups.

Enjoy Your Trip.

http://www.steelcar.com

Thanks for Looking.

Thanks Group,

Andrew,
Calgary.


National Steel Car.

Andrew Wallice Matheson <Grandtrunkrailroad@...>
 

Hi Group, Nov 15th, 08.
Saturday 113:50 Hrs. M.S.T.


This Site Has a NICE HABBIT of Doing the Rounds
on Other Train/Model Railroad Groups, so I'm Passing
on 4 Others -
Feel Free to Pass on to Other Groups.

Enjoy Your Trip.

http://www.steelcar.com

Thanks for Looking.

Thanks Group,

Andrew,
Calgary.


NC&StL box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Looking for info on:

NC&StL #18503 (1937 AAR) -- correct trucks?
NC&Stl #22043 (PS-1) -- running board, hand brake?

Regarding Ed Hawkins' PS-1 spreadsheet, what is the P/B
column? I thought it might be tackboard placement (H/L)
but then some of the cells are "H/O"... ??

Thanks
Tim O'Connor


(No subject)

Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
 

Larry,
It will be good to have you in the Northwest. We have a growing RPM movement. This Year there were events in BC, Washington, and Oregon, with more on the way.
And our Weather makes the Northwest that much better.

Ron Smith
Carman UPRR, Albina Yard

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Jackman
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC]


I lived in Seattle for 20 Years. They get 36/38 inches of rain a
year. Miami gets 65 inches. The Alaska Panhandle gets 178 Inches.
Mississippi gets 78 inches so it does not rain much in Seattle.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@comcast.net

On Nov 15, 2008, at 12:31 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

> CJ, you do realize your emails arrive wrinkled from being wet,
> don't you?
>
> SGL
>
>> Larry,
>>
>> We freight car guys in Seattle welcome you warmly. It doesn't rain
>> as much as you might
> think....it just seems that way.
>>
>> CJ Riley
>> Bainbridge Island
>>
>> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@comcast.net
>> <mailto:Ljack70117%40comcast.net> >
> wrote:
>> From: Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@comcast.net <mailto:Ljack70117%
>> 40comcast.net> >
>> Subject: Re: [STMFC]
>> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:59 AM
>>
>> Hi Fellow list buddies.
>>
>> I writing this to let you know I will not be at Cocoa Beach this
>>
>> year. I am moving back to Seattle area By the end of Dec. I never
>>
>> really liked Florida. We came down to look after my wife's Mother.
>>
>> She died in Jan 2007 and my wife died in Oct 2007. I have a daughter
>>
>> in Seattle. She wants me to move out there. I will still be on the
>>
>> list but my health is going down hill and this will probably be my
>>
>> last plane flight..
>>
>> Thank you all
>>
>> Larry Jackman
>>
>> ljack70117@comcast. net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific boxcars

Ian Cranstone
 

On 15-Nov-08, at 1:20 AM, Rob Kirkham wrote:
Ian, I wonder whether those renumbering guides allow one to trace
pre-renumbering number series into the later series? And are copies
available anywhere?

The answer to the first question is yes, with some exceptions. For some reason some series acquired a few extra cars during the renumbering program that are not referred to in the renumbering guides, and in the case of tank cars, there was a change in plan between 1920 and 1923. For 95% of the cars however, there is very clear "predecessor line car # X becomes CN car # Y" information such as the specific renumbering that I gave yesterday.

My photocopies came from two different sources -- the Bytown Railway Society has an original copy of the 1920 version, which I was able to photocopy, and I received a photocopy of major extracts of the 1923 guide from Stafford Swain (I don't know who holds the original). I am led to believe that some other copies survive as well (if memory serves correctly, I think that Library and Archives Canada has copies of both as part of the Andrew Merrilees collection).

Perhaps one of these days when I have nothing better to do (don't hold your breath though), I hope to scan and pdf some of these more important documents

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


(No subject)

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

I lived in Seattle for 20 Years. They get 36/38 inches of rain a year. Miami gets 65 inches. The Alaska Panhandle gets 178 Inches. Mississippi gets 78 inches so it does not rain much in Seattle.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@comcast.net

On Nov 15, 2008, at 12:31 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

CJ, you do realize your emails arrive wrinkled from being wet, don't you?

SGL

Larry,

We freight car guys in Seattle welcome you warmly. It doesn't rain as much as you might
think....it just seems that way.

CJ Riley
Bainbridge Island

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@comcast.net <mailto:Ljack70117%40comcast.net> >
wrote:
From: Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@comcast.net <mailto:Ljack70117% 40comcast.net> >
Subject: Re: [STMFC]
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:59 AM

Hi Fellow list buddies.

I writing this to let you know I will not be at Cocoa Beach this

year. I am moving back to Seattle area By the end of Dec. I never

really liked Florida. We came down to look after my wife's Mother.

She died in Jan 2007 and my wife died in Oct 2007. I have a daughter

in Seattle. She wants me to move out there. I will still be on the

list but my health is going down hill and this will probably be my

last plane flight..

Thank you all

Larry Jackman

ljack70117@comcast. net















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Re: Modelling a PS-5 Gondola in HO

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

There was an article in the September 1999 issue of RailModel Journal by James Kinkaid discussing the PS-5 gondolas and the N scale Micro-Trains model.

The article includes numerous prototype photos and roster of owners; no plans are included.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

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