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Re: Red Caboose WP Stock Cars

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Any photos of these?  When built?

Cyril Durrenberger

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Red Caboose WP Stock Cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 3:40 PM











This afternoon I received samples of the Red Caboose 36' stock cars

with letter boards and lettering for the Western Pacific. They're

very well done, with one easily corrected error: the trucks are

Accurail ARA with spring planks, where the prototypes had U-section

Andrews. Assembly is good, paint is excellent, lettering is sharp

and prototypically correct. I've seen photos showing the prototype

cars in Southern Calif. and Arizona, so they traveled off-line, at

least in the west and probably further afield.



Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Red Caboose WP Stock Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 17, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Jason Sanford wrote:

Now we just need a Union Pacific car and we are good to go! Any
rumors out there about Red Caboose also doing a UP car?



Yes, they plan to do a UP version.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Shake/Bake Cocoa Beach

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Sign me up!

SGL


Group,

We'll have another Shake and Take project this coming January in Cocoa Beach and there are a few
who know what the
project will be; however, they have sworn to secrecy for the minute.?

This year's project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep
this a bit more managable
this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are
far more limited than in
the past.

As I finish the prototype for the event in the next few?days I?will?actually announce the subject
far ahead of the event so
only those that are truly interested sign up in advance and please remember that I have to keep
some slots open for those
not connected to the internet that show up and are interested?and the local folk.?Specific
challenges to me for this
project have come from our own Richard Hendrickson, it will be a memorable car. ?

Kind words from Al Brown and of course the whole idea of this is to?share skills and tips.?The key
word here is
modeling.

Greg Martin ?

-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@... <mailto:abrown%40fit.edu> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 8:40 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shake/Bake Cocoa Beach

I didn't participate in the X45 clinic out of guilt at not having
finished the previous two, but (1) the KCS car is now done; (2) an FGEX
car, done by the techniques of the Kahn's clinic, is now in the paint
shop; and (3) I'll bring them both, along with some other stuff. Greg's
clinics have made a big difference to my modelling.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
wrote:

This is a short note to exhort those who participated in Greg
Martin'skitbash PRR X45 kitbash clinic at Cocoa Beach this past
January (and who will be attending this year) to bring their
completed
cars for display to Cocoa this January 8-11.

It is endlessly fascinating to me to observe closely how highly
skilled modelers will independently each have a slightly different
take on how to reach the same goal!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Shake/Bake Cocoa Beach

Greg Martin
 

Group,

We'll have another Shake and Take project this coming January in Cocoa Beach and there are a few who know what the project will be; however, they have sworn to secrecy for the minute.?

This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more managable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past.

As I finish the prototype for the event in the next few?days I?will?actually announce the subject far ahead of the event so only those that are truly interested sign up in advance and please remember that I have to keep some slots open for those not connected to the internet that show up and are interested?and the local folk.?Specific challenges to me for this project have come from our own Richard Hendrickson, it will be a memorable car. ?

Kind words from Al Brown and of course the whole idea of this is to?share skills and tips.?The key word here is modeling.

Greg Martin ?

-----Original Message-----
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 8:40 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shake/Bake Cocoa Beach






I didn't participate in the X45 clinic out of guilt at not having
finished the previous two, but (1) the KCS car is now done; (2) an FGEX
car, done by the techniques of the Kahn's clinic, is now in the paint
shop; and (3) I'll bring them both, along with some other stuff. Greg's
clinics have made a big difference to my modelling.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

This is a short note to exhort those who participated in Greg
Martin'skitbash PRR X45 kitbash clinic at Cocoa Beach this past
January (and who will be attending this year) to bring their
completed
cars for display to Cocoa this January 8-11.

It is endlessly fascinating to me to observe closely how highly
skilled modelers will independently each have a slightly different
take on how to reach the same goal!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Red Caboose WP Stock Cars

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Now we just need a Union Pacific car and we are good to go!  Any rumors out there about Red Caboose also doing a UP car?
 
Jason Sanford

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Red Caboose WP Stock Cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 4:40 PM

This afternoon I received samples of the Red Caboose 36' stock cars
with letter boards and lettering for the Western Pacific. They're
very well done, with one easily corrected error: the trucks are
Accurail ARA with spring planks, where the prototypes had U-section
Andrews. Assembly is good, paint is excellent, lettering is sharp
and prototypically correct. I've seen photos showing the prototype
cars in Southern Calif. and Arizona, so they traveled off-line, at
least in the west and probably further afield.

Richard Hendrickson



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Red Caboose WP Stock Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

This afternoon I received samples of the Red Caboose 36' stock cars
with letter boards and lettering for the Western Pacific. They're
very well done, with one easily corrected error: the trucks are
Accurail ARA with spring planks, where the prototypes had U-section
Andrews. Assembly is good, paint is excellent, lettering is sharp
and prototypically correct. I've seen photos showing the prototype
cars in Southern Calif. and Arizona, so they traveled off-line, at
least in the west and probably further afield.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Good Car # for an all silver Mathieson example

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"I have a photcopy of NX 8845 with a reweight date May 1947 at the Long
Island City yard with what are clearly silver ends in case someone
wants to model this paint scheme."

I assume you mean one of the ex-PRR Class R7 reefers in Mathieson dry
ice service?


"I will try to put outa legit number for one of these with red ends."

NX 8850; photo on page 68 of Morning Sun PRR Color Guide Vol 1.


Ben Hom


seeking contact info for Paul Yurko or Frank Szachacz or NH photo collectors

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I have been alerted to the fact a very rare photo of a Fruit Growers
Express steel rebuild from their 52680-52799 series appeared
in "Classic Freight Cars -- The Series" Vol. 5: NE Railroad Work
Equipment by Paul G. Yurko.

The photo is of New Haven I-79 with the photo credited to a Frank
Szachacz.

The book was published in 1994 by H&M Productions, 193-07 45 Ave.,
Flushing, NY 11358. ISBN #1-882608-05-4.

I will be writing to this address also but I know publishers often
can go defunct.

If anyone knows how to contact Mr. Yurko or Mr. Szachacz, please
contact me offline at bwelch@...

Alternatively if there are New Haven photo collectors seeing this,
or if you can send this on to someone you know who is, that may be
another route to finding the photo.

Thanks!

Bill Welch


Good Car # for an all silver Mathieson example

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I have a photcopy of NX 8845 with a reweight date May 1947 at the Long
Island City yard with what are clearly silver ends in case someone
wants to model this paint scheme. I will try to put outa legit number
for one of these with red ends.

Bill Welch


Re: Old news pieces and questions they raise.

water.kresse@...
 

Did these cars have steel center sill kits put in them at Ralston?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...>
I'm away from my notes, but as I recall, these T&OC cars were indeed wood gons, built in 1901 for the Toledo & Ohio Central. I have an e-mail from Lance Brown with dimensions and disposals on the TH&B side of things if anyone is interested.

Mark Plank
researching the Toledo & Ohio Central

----- Original Message -----
<big snip> I suspect further research will
find that what they [TH&B] were buying were antiquated wooden gondolas with
drop doors, but still necessitating a lot of hand labor to empty. What
the US roads were to receive from the USRA were self-clearing cars.
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Re: Diaphragms: re Standard Tank Car bolsters

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Rob Kirkham wrote:

Hmmm,

I don't intend to resolve this - if I happen to come across the
original
source for using the word in reference to the cars, I'll post it.

At the same time, I guess one could argue that the very substantial
combo
bolster/saddle arrangement that is noteworthy on a Standard Tank
Co. car
(and some other designs) is distinct from those cars where the
saddle was a
more discrete part mounted above the bolster. Obviously its also
discrete
from the bolster type used on other freight cars - where no saddle
concept
is required. In that light, an argument could be made that the
combo part
on the Standard Tank Car shouldn't be called a bolster as it is
more than
that.

Not that I have an alternative word to describe it with.... But I
confess I
have been irritated a few times over the years when composing a
message and
attempting to refer efficiently to this area of tank car bodies.



















I've purposely stayed out of this discussion as it seems peripheral,
at best, both to my own interests and to the STMFC list's
objectives. However.... Every tank car had bolsters which provide
attachment and bearing points for the trucks and the side bearings.
This was true even on the Van Dyke cars, which had no center sills.
And, Van Dyke cars aside, almost without exception the bolsters
incorporated tank saddles to support the tanks. This was no less
true of the STC bolsters than of those on other tank cars; the only
difference was that the STC bolsters were more visually prominent.
Why this poses a terminological problem baffles me, as I think it
would have baffled any steam era railway mechanical engineer. A
bolster was a bolster was a bolster.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Old news pieces and questions they raise.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tony, you misread what I wrote. The "shenanigans" were happening BEFORE the USRA was formed, and the USRA was a response to them. I didn't say that the article was in any way part of or because of the USRA.
Shenanigans - sometime between 1915 and 1917; in fact, the T&OC sale must have been fairly recently before the published story, since the repairs were still on-going when it was written.
Yes, I did misunderstand. I thought you meant that the car sale was in anticipation of the USRA, whereas you meant (I think) that it was among the stimuli for the USRA.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Shake/Bake Cocoa Beach

al_brown03
 

I didn't participate in the X45 clinic out of guilt at not having
finished the previous two, but (1) the KCS car is now done; (2) an FGEX
car, done by the techniques of the Kahn's clinic, is now in the paint
shop; and (3) I'll bring them both, along with some other stuff. Greg's
clinics have made a big difference to my modelling.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

This is a short note to exhort those who participated in Greg
Martin'skitbash PRR X45 kitbash clinic at Cocoa Beach this past
January (and who will be attending this year) to bring their
completed
cars for display to Cocoa this January 8-11.

It is endlessly fascinating to me to observe closely how highly
skilled modelers will independently each have a slightly different
take on how to reach the same goal!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Arch bar trucks, wood underframes and billboard ads.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Frank Valoczy wrote:
I'd have two questions: when were arch bar trucks banned from interchange in the US . . .
I've finally memorized this one, since we cover it every six months or so: 1941.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: a GATX prototype for SC&F tanks?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
However, you make my point. I'm sure Rob is recalling a period trade
press description that said something to the effect, "… the design of
the bolster is a diaphragm…"
I concede defeat, being unable to produce a quotation that might
have occurred.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Shake/Bake Cocoa Beach

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

This is a short note to exhort those who participated in Greg Martin'skitbash PRR X45 kitbash clinic at Cocoa Beach this past January (and who will be attending this year) to bring their completed cars for display to Cocoa this January 8-11.

It is endlessly fascinating to me to observe closely how highly skilled modelers will independently each have a slightly different take on how to reach the same goal!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Old news pieces and questions they raise.

Mark P.
 

I'm away from my notes, but as I recall, these T&OC cars were indeed wood gons, built in 1901 for the Toledo & Ohio Central. I have an e-mail from Lance Brown with dimensions and disposals on the TH&B side of things if anyone is interested.

Mark Plank
researching the Toledo & Ohio Central

----- Original Message -----
<big snip> I suspect further research will
find that what they [TH&B] were buying were antiquated wooden gondolas with
drop doors, but still necessitating a lot of hand labor to empty. What
the US roads were to receive from the USRA were self-clearing cars.
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Re: a GATX prototype for SC&F tanks?

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Dennis Storzek wrote:
Is it too late for me to chime in here? "Diaphragm" is a fabricator's
term, possibly now archaic, for a web that spaces structural members.
Used in this manner, any built-up bolster consists of four pressed
steel diaphragms, top and bottom cover plates, a center filler and
possibly end fillers. The usage of the term is correct, but hardly
unique to the Standard Tank Car Co. bolsters.
So if I understand your comment, Dennis, a bolster built up of
pieces called diaphragms can be called a "diaphragm." By the same
logic, since it's riveted together with rivets, I can call it a "rivet"
also. I would suggest that this example of calling the whole by the
name of some of its parts is NOT a very sound usage and certainly risks
being misleading.

Tony Thompson
Thank you, Tony, for the lesson in semantics. I'll be sure to keep it
in mind.

However, you make my point. I'm sure Rob is recalling a period trade
press description that said something to the effect, "… the design of
the bolster is a diaphragm…" I simply pointed out that while the term
is correct in this context, it is no more useful in distinguishing it
than saying the bolster is riveted.

Dennis


Re: Sunshine ACL Gondolas

golden1014
 

Thanks John, Jim and Lisa!

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "Jim & Lisa Hayes"
<jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

A quick trip to the Flyers by RR page of my Sunshine website
www.sunshinekits.com tells me that they are kits 67.7 (K-9), 67.8
(K-10),
67.9 (K-10-A).

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of John
Golden
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:06 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine ACL Gondolas

Gentlemen,
 
Can anyone please tell me the kit numbers for Sunshine's three ACL
gondolas--the K-9, K-10 and K-10-A cars?
 
Thank you!
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Post regarding upgrading Westerfield R7 reefers

tmolsen@...
 

List,

Sorry guys, that message to Al was to be off list. My apologies for wasting the bandwidth.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

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