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Re: MK&T SS box car yellow scheme colors

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

Well...surprisingly <G>, I have mislaid the data sheet for the
Speedwitch
MK&T SS box car. This car will be painted in the yerllow scheme.
Fortunately, the car has been completed so I don't need anything to
help
build it. Painting, however, is a different issue. All the color
shots I
have were taken at trackside so I don't really know what the roof
and bottom
should be painted. I know I probably have this info somewhere...but
I'm not
sure where. Anyhow...anyone have the paint info immediately at hand?








Entire car body yellow, including ends and roof (but not underframe
and trucks).

Richard Hendrickson


MK&T SS box car yellow scheme colors

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...surprisingly <G>, I have mislaid the data sheet for the Speedwitch MK&T SS box car. This car will be painted in the yerllow scheme. Fortunately, the car has been completed so I don't need anything to help build it. Painting, however, is a different issue. All the color shots I have were taken at trackside so I don't really know what the roof and bottom should be painted. I know I probably have this info somewhere...but I'm not sure where. Anyhow...anyone have the paint info immediately at hand?

Mike Brock


Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Steve SANDIFER
 

The only difference is the lettering.
It is an accurate model.
http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/WalCab/Index.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul & Bernice Hillman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses


Walthers is selling their ATSF 1300-series wood cabooses in 2 types,
either as the 1938 to 1943 version, or 1943 to Retirement version.

Their pictures for the 1938 to 1943 version, show the "right-side"
(offset cupola to the left) with 3 side-windows, & the ATSF lettering
with periods.

Their pictures for the 1943 to Retirement version, show the "left-
side" (offset cupola to the right) with 4 side-windows, & the ATSF
lettering without periods.

I couldn't find prototype pictures or drawings of the 1300's on the
ATSF historical site or elsewhere.

What were the 1943 changes? Just the lettering or the addition of a
4th window? The lettering style looks the same for both versions,
just the periods missing after 1943.

Also, always, the main question,...is this an "accurate" physical
model?

Walthers part #'s, 932-27582 & 932-27583

Paul Hillman


ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Paul Hillman
 

Walthers is selling their ATSF 1300-series wood cabooses in 2 types,
either as the 1938 to 1943 version, or 1943 to Retirement version.

Their pictures for the 1938 to 1943 version, show the "right-side"
(offset cupola to the left) with 3 side-windows, & the ATSF lettering
with periods.

Their pictures for the 1943 to Retirement version, show the "left-
side" (offset cupola to the right) with 4 side-windows, & the ATSF
lettering without periods.

I couldn't find prototype pictures or drawings of the 1300's on the
ATSF historical site or elsewhere.

What were the 1943 changes? Just the lettering or the addition of a
4th window? The lettering style looks the same for both versions,
just the periods missing after 1943.

Also, always, the main question,...is this an "accurate" physical
model?

Walthers part #'s, 932-27582 & 932-27583

Paul Hillman


Our next S scale car will be ...

Jim King
 

. the Southern 1951 wood rack rebuild (from 1928-30 boxcars) by Spencer
Shops. The attached photo shows a car about to be released from this
program.



Separate kits will be offered with Roman (1951 to late 60s) and Block fonts
(early 60s to retirement in late 70s), with and without trucks/couplers, but
including decals regardless of t/c option. Target retail price is $70 with
t/c, $60 without. Kits will be comprised of a 1-pc body with separate
underframe casting and a small sheet of misc. details, SHS trucks, 802
couplers, Rail Graphics decals, Grandt and Tichy detail parts.



Please contact me off-list with your reservations. No deposit required.
Target release date is late December/early January.



Currently in the works:



1. GE 70-tonner in both early and late versions .. due early 2009.

2. Info is being collected to produce an NE ("Northeastern") caboose, a
very popular car on the Reading and WM and countless shortlines after the
"big guys" spun them off;

3. B&O I-5c or d cab;

4. B&O wagontop box (info gathering is complete);

5. SAL B-7 roundroof box (info gathering is complete);

6. Modern modelers will be pleased to know that a TTX bulkhead flat (old
HO Ambroid/QC kit) and the 1980 RailGon are on the to-do list for next year.


Gonna be a busy 2009!



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: PRR Gon info request

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Burg wrote:
When libraries received their bound copies of Railway Age all the advertisement pages (which were split between the front and back of each magazine) were removed. This allowed the whole six months of issues to fit in one book, albeit a book bigger than the size of a Car Builder's Cyc. The loss of these ads also from a historical standpoint was unfortunate since often the ads told you more than the articles. Bound volumes of Railway Age also contained (usually, I've seen bound volumes without it) a master index for the whole year, with listings that indicated the "volume" and page, such as JJ 1242, or JD 802 for example.
It was up to the individual library whether or not to remove those ad pages. I have seen some volumes of RA which DID have the ads. Happily, I've never encountered one without an index--an extremely helpful feature in a journal like this one--but I have seen one instance of a bound volume in which the copies were all front to back, in other words the newest magazine was in the front, and the oldest at the back. Makes page-finding a little challenging.
The pages with the letters, as in your examples, are from the annual convention issues.

Oh, and just to keep the name straight, it's William Kiesel, not Walter.
True. I'd missed the wrong name inserted by Ben Hom in an earlier post.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: GARX 5300-5599 & URTX 72000-72299

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

In my previous message, delete the following from the UTRX car description: "There were no other GATC reefers with the same IL."

KL


Re: GARX 5300-5599 & URTX 72000-72299

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

From 7/1961 ORER, GARX 5300-6999 had 5 cars in the series, which was marked as both an increase and a reduction in that issue. They were RSMs, 33-8 between ice tanks, 8-0 IW, 6-8 IH, 41-8 OL, 9-5 WE, 10-6 EW, 12-8 EH, 13-4 RBH, 13-6 EXH; 6-0 x 6-6 doors; 195 cu ft ice capacity; 1793 cu ft; 70,000 capy. There were no other GATC reefers with the same IL.

URTX 72000-72299 had 46 cars in the series, unchanged in that issue. They were RSMs, 33-8 between ice tanks, 8-0 IW, 6-8 IH, 41-8 OL, 9-7 WE, 10-6 EW, 12-8 EH, 13-4 RBH, 13-6 EXH; 6-0 x 6-6 doors; 195 cu ft ice capacity; 1793 cu ft; 70,000 capy. There were no other GATC reefers with the same IL. UTRX 60595-60599 was dimensioned identically. UTRX 73215-73264 was similar internally but different externally, the only other 33-8 IL cars in their fleet.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Hawkins

Does anyone have any photos or information that pertain to GARX
5300-5599 and URTX 72000-72299?

Among other things I would like to determine the builder of the cars
(most likely General American) and when the cars were built. I believe
they were 40' wood reefers, but I've not been able to find a thing
about the cars. Chances are they had been renumbered.


Re: AT&SF BX-3 Paint Suggestion? Circa 1942

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I use Floquil; ATSF Mineral Brown, black roof (brown roofwalk) and Mineral Brown trucks.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


AT&SF BX-3 Paint Suggestion? Circa 1942

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am getting ready to paint a AT&SF BX-3 which will be a car with the
ampersand in the reporting marks. I model 1942. Which color should
the car be painted? Any Scalecoat colors that are a good match? What
color were the trucks painted?

Thanks,
Jason Sanford


Re: Bronx photo

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Back in the 40/50s Gallo made a blue grape wine called TOKAY. You could buy it for 50 cents a bottle. It tasted very bad but the Winos bought it by the case. We nicked named it I. W..Tokay. That was probably one of the wines shipped in the cars with insulation. Between Tokay and Bay Rum we kept the winos pretty well hooked.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...

On Nov 25, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Westerfield wrote:

Ed - NYC is a big place with lots of drinkers. :) - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Bronx photo


--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:
.....page also includes other new photos: (1) a 1948 b&w photo showing
a 25-car trainload of Chateau Martin wine after arrival in the Bronx,
NY,

I'm surprised to see wine arriving in what appears to be regular,
single dome tank cars. I don't think those cars could have been used
for anything previously except to haul wine.

Ed







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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?

Thomas Baker
 

Bud,

In O scale, the San Juan Car Company makes a Mather kit. If a person on this list has assembled such a car, he might be willing for a price to photocopy the plans which could be scaled down to S. On the other hand, the plans might be just text and isometric drawings which will help but not as much as elevation drawings. Is this the type of Mather car you're talking about? I would like to build one of them, too. I think C&IM also had some Mather SS cars.

Tom

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of bud9351
Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 3:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BCK boxcar roof color?



--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bud Rindfleisch asked:
"Now those M&W Ball line cars......that's where I need more help
(plans?)"

Which ones - the Mather cars or their secondhand rebuilt boxcars?


Ben Hom
Ben,
I've been trying to find scale plans for the Mather patent Ball
line cars in either 1100 or 1200 series. I'd like to build at least
one in S scale.
Bud Rindfleisch


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Re: Life magazine/Google photos

Bud Rindfleisch
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
The closeups of the t&g sheathed reefers and s.s. boxcars also shows
very clear "grooves" and not always those tight boards we strive to
achieve.
Most T&G siding had a modest V-groove at each edge, so there
SHOULD be a groove on such sheathing. OTOH, most single-sheathed cars
did not use such siding; but in at least some cases, the sheathing DID
include a T&G connection between the (horizontal) boards, despite no
V-groove at the surface. Note that a V-groove in horizontal siding
would NOT help to drain water.
As in so many other instances, Bud, one needs a good photograph
of the car one intends to model.
Amen to that Tony. My mistake in saying single sheathed when I
meant to say double sheathed, same or similar t&g siding as used on
reefers. My point was that the Life photos show grooves that are
somewhat more "visible" than expected but still not as open as the
often exaggerated grooves on a model. Some of the single sheathed cars
shown also had "less than tight" horizontal boards but again not as
"open" as often seen on models.
Bud Rindfleisch

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


GARX 5300-5599 & URTX 72000-72299

Ed Hawkins
 

Group,
Does anyone have any photos or information that pertain to GARX 5300-5599 and URTX 72000-72299? A total of 8 cars (4 from each series) are listed on two wheel report consists in March 1959 on Missouri Pacific Train 70 departing Kansas City for St. Louis. All 8 cars had been loaded in Pueblo, Colorado with meat products. Their destinations include several eastern cities such as Philadelphia, Buffalo, and Georgetown, Delaware. The shipper and consignee were both American Stores.

Among other things I would like to determine the builder of the cars (most likely General American) and when the cars were built. I believe they were 40' wood reefers, but I've not been able to find a thing about the cars. Chances are they had been renumbered. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: BCK boxcar roof color?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bud Rindfleisch asked:
"Now those M&W Ball line cars......that's where I need more help
(plans?)"

Which ones - the Mather cars or their secondhand rebuilt boxcars?


Ben Hom
Ben,
I've been trying to find scale plans for the Mather patent Ball
line cars in either 1100 or 1200 series. I'd like to build at least
one in S scale.
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: PRR Gon info request

cinderandeight@...
 

Tony,
Yes, perhaps "volumes" would be the term, the point being that until
around 1950 Railway Age paged all the issues from January to June as a unit, and
then started a new numbering for July through December issues. Each individual
issue had two paging systems. There were the normal pages 1-50 or perhaps
60, and those pages were reserved for the advertisement section of the magazine
and table of contents, etc., while the cumulative paging continued from where
it left off in the previous issue with the articles. By June the page number
usually was up around 14 or 15 hundred pages. When libraries received their
bound copies of Railway Age all the advertisement pages (which were split
between the front and back of each magazine) were removed. This allowed the
whole six months of issues to fit in one book, albeit a book bigger than the size
of a Car Builder's Cyc.. The loss of these ads also from a historical
standpoint was unfortunate since often the ads told you more than the articles.
Bound volumes of Railway Age also contained (usually, I've seen bound volumes
without it) a master index for the whole year, with listings that indicated the
"volume" and page, such as JJ 1242, or JD 802 for example. I pointed this out
for the benefit of people who don't regularly use the magazine, because
otherwise it might be a bit confusing.
Oh, and just to keep the name straight, it's William Kiesel, not Walter.
His home still stands along PA route 36 about six blocks North of the former
Sam Rea car shops in Holidaysburg, PA..

Rich Burg
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Re: Life magazine/Google photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
The closeups of the t&g sheathed reefers and s.s. boxcars also shows very clear "grooves" and not always those tight boards we strive to achieve.
Most T&G siding had a modest V-groove at each edge, so there SHOULD be a groove on such sheathing. OTOH, most single-sheathed cars did not use such siding; but in at least some cases, the sheathing DID include a T&G connection between the (horizontal) boards, despite no V-groove at the surface. Note that a V-groove in horizontal siding would NOT help to drain water.
As in so many other instances, Bud, one needs a good photograph of the car one intends to model.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PRR Gon info request

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"[Walter Kiesel] was chair of the ARA Car Committee for awhile in the
middle 1920s. You only have to read the otherwise-spare minutes of the
ARA Transactions to recognize the arrogance of the man. He surely can't
have helped PRR's reputation."

I haven't been able to confirm this myself, but Jack Amerine pointed
out in his landmark X29 article in Prototype Modeler that Kiesel became
a non-person to the PRR after his passing in spite of his many
engineering contributions to the railroad.


Ben Hom


Re: Bronx photo

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Ed - NYC is a big place with lots of drinkers. :) - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Bronx photo


--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:
.....page also includes other new photos: (1) a 1948 b&w photo showing
a 25-car trainload of Chateau Martin wine after arrival in the Bronx,
NY,

I'm surprised to see wine arriving in what appears to be regular,
single dome tank cars. I don't think those cars could have been used
for anything previously except to haul wine.

Ed


Re: PRR Gon info request

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresse wrote:
What do you know about Penny's Kiesel and his involvement in PRR and USRA/ARA/AAR FC design? WE have his patent for an offset-side end side-panel trasition design and he is mention as being part of at least one of the USRA committees.
He was chair of the ARA Car Committee for awhile in the middle 1920s. You only have to read the otherwise-spare minutes of the ARA Transactions to recognize the arrogance of the man. He surely can't have helped PRR's reputation.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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