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Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Steve SANDIFER
 

If you can find them (out of print), the best resources are the Priest book and the Ellington book on Santa Fe Waycars. Ebay and bookfinder.com are two good resources. Their use depends on the era you model. I model 1951-53, so they were on branch line and MOW by that time. The steel cars were the primary waycars during my era, and rumor has it that a major manufacturer is coming out with those soon, a substantial upgrade to Athearn.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Hillman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses


Thanks Steve,

Good info. Would like to see some prototype photos. Still looking.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sandifer<mailto:steve.sandifer@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

The only difference is the lettering.
It is an accurate model.
http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/WalCab/Index.htm<http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/WalCab/Index.htm>
______________
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Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul & Bernice Hillman
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Walthers is selling their ATSF 1300-series wood cabooses in 2 types,
either as the 1938 to 1943 version, or 1943 to Retirement version.

Their pictures for the 1938 to 1943 version, show the "right-side"
(offset cupola to the left) with 3 side-windows, & the ATSF lettering
with periods.

Their pictures for the 1943 to Retirement version, show the "left-
side" (offset cupola to the right) with 4 side-windows, & the ATSF
lettering without periods.

I couldn't find prototype pictures or drawings of the 1300's on the
ATSF historical site or elsewhere.

What were the 1943 changes? Just the lettering or the addition of a
4th window? The lettering style looks the same for both versions,
just the periods missing after 1943.

Also, always, the main question,...is this an "accurate" physical
model?

Walthers part #'s, 932-27582 & 932-27583

Paul Hillman


Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hello Paul,

The only changes were to the lettering. The ampersand was omitted beginning in 1938 (A.T.S.F.) and the periods were omitted (ATSF) beginning in 1943. The windows, three on one side and four on the other, stayed the same. There are photos of a caboose of this series on the Santa Fe society Web site at http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr42.html.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: AT&SF BX-3 Paint Suggestion? Circa 1942

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Jason,

I use Polly Scale Light Freight Car Red for Santa Fe Mineral Brown, with Grimy Black for the black roof. Wood running boards were Mineral Brown. When the Santa Fe repainted freight cars it repainted the trucks Mineral Brown, so that's the color of your Bx-3's trucks by 1942.

Good luck with your model,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Steve,

Good info. Would like to see some prototype photos. Still looking.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sandifer<mailto:steve.sandifer@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses


The only difference is the lettering.
It is an accurate model.
http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/WalCab/Index.htm<http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/WalCab/Index.htm>
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...<mailto:steve.sandifer@...>
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul & Bernice Hillman
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Walthers is selling their ATSF 1300-series wood cabooses in 2 types,
either as the 1938 to 1943 version, or 1943 to Retirement version.

Their pictures for the 1938 to 1943 version, show the "right-side"
(offset cupola to the left) with 3 side-windows, & the ATSF lettering
with periods.

Their pictures for the 1943 to Retirement version, show the "left-
side" (offset cupola to the right) with 4 side-windows, & the ATSF
lettering without periods.

I couldn't find prototype pictures or drawings of the 1300's on the
ATSF historical site or elsewhere.

What were the 1943 changes? Just the lettering or the addition of a
4th window? The lettering style looks the same for both versions,
just the periods missing after 1943.

Also, always, the main question,...is this an "accurate" physical
model?

Walthers part #'s, 932-27582 & 932-27583

Paul Hillman


Re: Life magazine/Google photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

cj riley wrote:
To be more precise (isn't that the group's goal) the siding boards had a chamfer on the edges ( a 45 degree bevel) that created the appearance of a v groove when 2 boards were butted. It is common to chamfer edges on boards so theat they don't splinter as badly as a 90 degree corner wood.But Tony is right that t&g siding can be chamfered or unchamfered.
[thump of palm hitting forehead] Yes, of course, the board EDGES can't have a "V-groove" as I stated--each board has to have a chamfered edge, as CJ says, to make a V when they are put together. Duh. <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Life magazine/Google photos

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrot

Most T&G siding had a modest V-groove at each edge, so there

SHOULD be a groove on such sheathing. OTOH, most single-sheathed cars

did not use such siding; but in at least some cases, the sheathing DID

include a T&G connection between the (horizontal) boards, despite no

V-groove at the surface.

To be more precise (isn't that the group's goal) the siding boards had a chamfer on the edges ( a 45 degree bevel) that created the appearance of a v groove when 2 boards were butted. It is common to chamfer edges on boards so theat they don't splinter as badly as a 90 degree corner wood.But Tony is right that t&g siding can be chamfered or unchamfered.
CJ Riley


Re: MK&T SS box car yellow scheme colors

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

Well...surprisingly <G>, I have mislaid the data sheet for the
Speedwitch
MK&T SS box car. This car will be painted in the yerllow scheme.
Fortunately, the car has been completed so I don't need anything to
help
build it. Painting, however, is a different issue. All the color
shots I
have were taken at trackside so I don't really know what the roof
and bottom
should be painted. I know I probably have this info somewhere...but
I'm not
sure where. Anyhow...anyone have the paint info immediately at hand?








Entire car body yellow, including ends and roof (but not underframe
and trucks).

Richard Hendrickson


MK&T SS box car yellow scheme colors

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...surprisingly <G>, I have mislaid the data sheet for the Speedwitch MK&T SS box car. This car will be painted in the yerllow scheme. Fortunately, the car has been completed so I don't need anything to help build it. Painting, however, is a different issue. All the color shots I have were taken at trackside so I don't really know what the roof and bottom should be painted. I know I probably have this info somewhere...but I'm not sure where. Anyhow...anyone have the paint info immediately at hand?

Mike Brock


Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Steve SANDIFER
 

The only difference is the lettering.
It is an accurate model.
http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/WalCab/Index.htm
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul & Bernice Hillman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses


Walthers is selling their ATSF 1300-series wood cabooses in 2 types,
either as the 1938 to 1943 version, or 1943 to Retirement version.

Their pictures for the 1938 to 1943 version, show the "right-side"
(offset cupola to the left) with 3 side-windows, & the ATSF lettering
with periods.

Their pictures for the 1943 to Retirement version, show the "left-
side" (offset cupola to the right) with 4 side-windows, & the ATSF
lettering without periods.

I couldn't find prototype pictures or drawings of the 1300's on the
ATSF historical site or elsewhere.

What were the 1943 changes? Just the lettering or the addition of a
4th window? The lettering style looks the same for both versions,
just the periods missing after 1943.

Also, always, the main question,...is this an "accurate" physical
model?

Walthers part #'s, 932-27582 & 932-27583

Paul Hillman


ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Paul Hillman
 

Walthers is selling their ATSF 1300-series wood cabooses in 2 types,
either as the 1938 to 1943 version, or 1943 to Retirement version.

Their pictures for the 1938 to 1943 version, show the "right-side"
(offset cupola to the left) with 3 side-windows, & the ATSF lettering
with periods.

Their pictures for the 1943 to Retirement version, show the "left-
side" (offset cupola to the right) with 4 side-windows, & the ATSF
lettering without periods.

I couldn't find prototype pictures or drawings of the 1300's on the
ATSF historical site or elsewhere.

What were the 1943 changes? Just the lettering or the addition of a
4th window? The lettering style looks the same for both versions,
just the periods missing after 1943.

Also, always, the main question,...is this an "accurate" physical
model?

Walthers part #'s, 932-27582 & 932-27583

Paul Hillman


Our next S scale car will be ...

Jim King
 

. the Southern 1951 wood rack rebuild (from 1928-30 boxcars) by Spencer
Shops. The attached photo shows a car about to be released from this
program.



Separate kits will be offered with Roman (1951 to late 60s) and Block fonts
(early 60s to retirement in late 70s), with and without trucks/couplers, but
including decals regardless of t/c option. Target retail price is $70 with
t/c, $60 without. Kits will be comprised of a 1-pc body with separate
underframe casting and a small sheet of misc. details, SHS trucks, 802
couplers, Rail Graphics decals, Grandt and Tichy detail parts.



Please contact me off-list with your reservations. No deposit required.
Target release date is late December/early January.



Currently in the works:



1. GE 70-tonner in both early and late versions .. due early 2009.

2. Info is being collected to produce an NE ("Northeastern") caboose, a
very popular car on the Reading and WM and countless shortlines after the
"big guys" spun them off;

3. B&O I-5c or d cab;

4. B&O wagontop box (info gathering is complete);

5. SAL B-7 roundroof box (info gathering is complete);

6. Modern modelers will be pleased to know that a TTX bulkhead flat (old
HO Ambroid/QC kit) and the 1980 RailGon are on the to-do list for next year.


Gonna be a busy 2009!



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: PRR Gon info request

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Burg wrote:
When libraries received their bound copies of Railway Age all the advertisement pages (which were split between the front and back of each magazine) were removed. This allowed the whole six months of issues to fit in one book, albeit a book bigger than the size of a Car Builder's Cyc. The loss of these ads also from a historical standpoint was unfortunate since often the ads told you more than the articles. Bound volumes of Railway Age also contained (usually, I've seen bound volumes without it) a master index for the whole year, with listings that indicated the "volume" and page, such as JJ 1242, or JD 802 for example.
It was up to the individual library whether or not to remove those ad pages. I have seen some volumes of RA which DID have the ads. Happily, I've never encountered one without an index--an extremely helpful feature in a journal like this one--but I have seen one instance of a bound volume in which the copies were all front to back, in other words the newest magazine was in the front, and the oldest at the back. Makes page-finding a little challenging.
The pages with the letters, as in your examples, are from the annual convention issues.

Oh, and just to keep the name straight, it's William Kiesel, not Walter.
True. I'd missed the wrong name inserted by Ben Hom in an earlier post.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: GARX 5300-5599 & URTX 72000-72299

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

In my previous message, delete the following from the UTRX car description: "There were no other GATC reefers with the same IL."

KL


Re: GARX 5300-5599 & URTX 72000-72299

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

From 7/1961 ORER, GARX 5300-6999 had 5 cars in the series, which was marked as both an increase and a reduction in that issue. They were RSMs, 33-8 between ice tanks, 8-0 IW, 6-8 IH, 41-8 OL, 9-5 WE, 10-6 EW, 12-8 EH, 13-4 RBH, 13-6 EXH; 6-0 x 6-6 doors; 195 cu ft ice capacity; 1793 cu ft; 70,000 capy. There were no other GATC reefers with the same IL.

URTX 72000-72299 had 46 cars in the series, unchanged in that issue. They were RSMs, 33-8 between ice tanks, 8-0 IW, 6-8 IH, 41-8 OL, 9-7 WE, 10-6 EW, 12-8 EH, 13-4 RBH, 13-6 EXH; 6-0 x 6-6 doors; 195 cu ft ice capacity; 1793 cu ft; 70,000 capy. There were no other GATC reefers with the same IL. UTRX 60595-60599 was dimensioned identically. UTRX 73215-73264 was similar internally but different externally, the only other 33-8 IL cars in their fleet.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Hawkins

Does anyone have any photos or information that pertain to GARX
5300-5599 and URTX 72000-72299?

Among other things I would like to determine the builder of the cars
(most likely General American) and when the cars were built. I believe
they were 40' wood reefers, but I've not been able to find a thing
about the cars. Chances are they had been renumbered.


Re: AT&SF BX-3 Paint Suggestion? Circa 1942

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I use Floquil; ATSF Mineral Brown, black roof (brown roofwalk) and Mineral Brown trucks.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


AT&SF BX-3 Paint Suggestion? Circa 1942

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am getting ready to paint a AT&SF BX-3 which will be a car with the
ampersand in the reporting marks. I model 1942. Which color should
the car be painted? Any Scalecoat colors that are a good match? What
color were the trucks painted?

Thanks,
Jason Sanford


Re: Bronx photo

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Back in the 40/50s Gallo made a blue grape wine called TOKAY. You could buy it for 50 cents a bottle. It tasted very bad but the Winos bought it by the case. We nicked named it I. W..Tokay. That was probably one of the wines shipped in the cars with insulation. Between Tokay and Bay Rum we kept the winos pretty well hooked.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...

On Nov 25, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Westerfield wrote:

Ed - NYC is a big place with lots of drinkers. :) - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Bronx photo


--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:
.....page also includes other new photos: (1) a 1948 b&w photo showing
a 25-car trainload of Chateau Martin wine after arrival in the Bronx,
NY,

I'm surprised to see wine arriving in what appears to be regular,
single dome tank cars. I don't think those cars could have been used
for anything previously except to haul wine.

Ed







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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?

Thomas Baker
 

Bud,

In O scale, the San Juan Car Company makes a Mather kit. If a person on this list has assembled such a car, he might be willing for a price to photocopy the plans which could be scaled down to S. On the other hand, the plans might be just text and isometric drawings which will help but not as much as elevation drawings. Is this the type of Mather car you're talking about? I would like to build one of them, too. I think C&IM also had some Mather SS cars.

Tom

________________________________

From: STMFC@... on behalf of bud9351
Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 3:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: BCK boxcar roof color?



--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bud Rindfleisch asked:
"Now those M&W Ball line cars......that's where I need more help
(plans?)"

Which ones - the Mather cars or their secondhand rebuilt boxcars?


Ben Hom
Ben,
I've been trying to find scale plans for the Mather patent Ball
line cars in either 1100 or 1200 series. I'd like to build at least
one in S scale.
Bud Rindfleisch


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Re: Life magazine/Google photos

Bud Rindfleisch
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Bud Rindfleisch wrote:
The closeups of the t&g sheathed reefers and s.s. boxcars also shows
very clear "grooves" and not always those tight boards we strive to
achieve.
Most T&G siding had a modest V-groove at each edge, so there
SHOULD be a groove on such sheathing. OTOH, most single-sheathed cars
did not use such siding; but in at least some cases, the sheathing DID
include a T&G connection between the (horizontal) boards, despite no
V-groove at the surface. Note that a V-groove in horizontal siding
would NOT help to drain water.
As in so many other instances, Bud, one needs a good photograph
of the car one intends to model.
Amen to that Tony. My mistake in saying single sheathed when I
meant to say double sheathed, same or similar t&g siding as used on
reefers. My point was that the Life photos show grooves that are
somewhat more "visible" than expected but still not as open as the
often exaggerated grooves on a model. Some of the single sheathed cars
shown also had "less than tight" horizontal boards but again not as
"open" as often seen on models.
Bud Rindfleisch

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


GARX 5300-5599 & URTX 72000-72299

Ed Hawkins
 

Group,
Does anyone have any photos or information that pertain to GARX 5300-5599 and URTX 72000-72299? A total of 8 cars (4 from each series) are listed on two wheel report consists in March 1959 on Missouri Pacific Train 70 departing Kansas City for St. Louis. All 8 cars had been loaded in Pueblo, Colorado with meat products. Their destinations include several eastern cities such as Philadelphia, Buffalo, and Georgetown, Delaware. The shipper and consignee were both American Stores.

Among other things I would like to determine the builder of the cars (most likely General American) and when the cars were built. I believe they were 40' wood reefers, but I've not been able to find a thing about the cars. Chances are they had been renumbered. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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