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Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Schuyler Larrabee
 

SIX inches? How large a diameter is it? Most concrete pipe I've seen at the size of say 30"
diameter, is around 2-2.5" wall.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian J Carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:31 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pipe loads on the cheap

The Walthers pipe load should look thick as it is supposed to be concrete
pipe. The side wall thickness should be around 6"

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Payne" <1payne1@windstream.net <mailto:1payne1%40windstream.net> >
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").



Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

The Walthers pipe load should look thick as it is supposed to be concrete
pipe. The side wall thickness should be around 6"

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Payne" <1payne1@windstream.net>
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: GM&O 21000-22419

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

from Ed Hawkin's data in RMJ 10/1999 --

GM&O series 21000-21999 blt 1947 ACF lot 3057
YSD-2A doors 1st 750, 7p SUP next 250
GM&O series 22000-22419 blt 1947 ACF lot 3141
YSD-2A doors

YSD-2A: 6/6/5 Youngstown (counting from top down)

all cars: 10p rivet 4/4 IDE RP roof 7-rung ladders
brake? running board? trucks?

Model Railroading, 4/1989 has a photo of GM&O #21690

A partial photo of GM&O #21365 shows black ends, pole pockets

Tim O'Connor

I am trying to determine the origin of the entire series GM&O
21000-22419. Ed Kaminski has the group GM&O 22000-22419 blt by AC&F
(lot #3141) in 12/1947. However, the ORER's all list them lumped
together with the previous 1000 cars. Can somebody provide builder
info on GM&O 21000-21999?

Thanks,

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: Philadelphia Quartz Type 21 tank car

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

This past weekend I picked up a P2K Type 21 decorated for
Philadelphia Quartz...
I am trying to determine what trucks were
applied
to these cars. A photo of POX 806 built in 1928 is on page 113 of
Kaminski's ACF Tank car book...
PQX 805-858 and 512-518 were essentially identical; both series
were
8K gal. Type 21s. (Type 21s continued to be produced, at least as
late as 1929, after the Type 27 was introduced). Both series came
from the builders with 40 ton ARA trucks with spring planks (i.e.,
Accurail). .

Richard Hendrickson
Please don't forget Tahoe Model Works' Buckeye ARA truck. I think
it's a closer match than Accurail's.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Thanks Keith. When IM gave the talk I don't remember them saying it was all new tooling. This is great. I just hope it gets done in my lifetime. I know I got pictures of the test shots of the FTs years ago and they are just starting them.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Dennis Williams
 

I agree with the straws.  Put lead shot in the bottom ones with paper stuffed 1/2 inch from the end to keep them in.  If  you have a blaster, etch them B4 painting. If not, It will still work without. Use some small wood for cribage, thread for banding. Remember, This gives us a reason to go get junk food!!  Happy Drinking!!!!  Dennis

--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net> wrote:

From: Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pipe loads on the cheap
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 8:27 AM






Have you looked at plain ol' drinking straws? These should be quite a bit
bigger than stirrers and with more realistic thinwall. You can even get the
larger ones (for milkshakes) from McDonalds.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Payne

Are there any especially good sources for "pipe"? I've got a bunch of
coffee stirrers, of course, but I don't know if there is something
better. (Mine are a scale 35' 8" or so, 10" approx. OD) I seem to
remember seeing something about someone who found a source of
especially nice stirrers, but don't remember the source.
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey" ).


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Have you looked at plain ol' drinking straws? These should be quite a bit bigger than stirrers and with more realistic thinwall. You can even get the larger ones (for milkshakes) from McDonalds.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Payne

Are there any especially good sources for "pipe"? I've got a bunch of
coffee stirrers, of course, but I don't know if there is something
better. (Mine are a scale 35' 8" or so, 10" approx. OD) I seem to
remember seeing something about someone who found a source of
especially nice stirrers, but don't remember the source.
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").


Pipe loads on the cheap

Dean Payne
 

I've got two pending resin orders, but I've noticed that I've got a
lot of empty gons. The W&LE served the South Lorain pipe works, so
I've decided to model a bunch of pipe loads. I can't afford to buy
commercial loads for all these without having to reduce my resin
order, so...
Are there any especially good sources for "pipe"? I've got a bunch of
coffee stirrers, of course, but I don't know if there is something
better. (Mine are a scale 35' 8" or so, 10" approx. OD) I seem to
remember seeing something about someone who found a source of
especially nice stirrers, but don't remember the source.
The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").

Dean Payne


Re: ATSF 1300-Series Wood Cabooses

Keith Jordan
 

The steel cars were the primary waycars during my era, and rumor has it
>that a major manufacturer is coming out with those soon, a substantial
>upgrade to Athearn.<

Intermountain has plans to do the back-dated version of this car that
was originally produced by Centiala. They had drawings but not
samples at
the National in SoCa. Supected date is '09 but then we know how dates
are!

Jon and Others,

Intermountain has started on the tooling for the Santa Fe all-steel
waycars. To clarify Jon's statement, the tooling is all-new, not a
back-dated version of the Centralia Car Shops car (thankfully),
though it will be marketed under the Centralia banner. The cars will
be offered in several versions (wood or steel tool cellars, brake
equipment, runningboard combinations, platform railings, wig-wag/
highball signals, etc.).

Other railroads used a very similar, if not identical ACF design:
SLSF, GT, IHB, CRR, to name a few.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Keith Jordan


Re: P&LE 36' DS box trucks

Dean Payne
 

The car number on the F&C website is 32329, I'm not sure what the
series was. However, the lot number is 275B. I'm looking for what
trucks it would have had in 1937 (I realize that there might have been
a couple of different styles at this stage.)

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Dean Payne wrote:

I built the F&C P&LE 36' DS box, and need only to know what trucks
to stick under it to get it on the layout. The F&C website has a photo
of the kit with Kadee Andrews trucks (for what that's worth), but the only
prototype photo I've seen has regual cast (what the mfgrs. list
as "Bettendorf"... cringe) trucks.
What trucks were these delivered with, and when did they get the
cast sideframe trucks? I can't read the lot number on the online
photo, and don't remember what it is on the decal...

Dean,I have several photos that might answer your question, but it's
hard to help without a lot number or number series.

Richard Hendrickson

115441 - 115460 of 192701