Re: Pipe loads on the cheap
David North <davenorth@...>
I agree with Kurt's suggestion of drinking straws.
While many of the straws on the market are oval shaped I finally found some at a local coffee shop that were truly round (or so close to it that I couldn't tell the difference. They are 8" long x 200 thou dia with a wall thickness of 6 thou, so in HO about 58' long x 1.5' dia. The owner gave me two handfuls and that will do for all the pipe loads I'm ever likely to need. To "tie them down", I've bought some 1/64 black chart tape from a local art supply house, to replicate the steel banding used. Apart from the chart tape my cost was nil. Cheers Dave.
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Re: Electrical Transformers
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
I suspect much of that may be "brand identification", i.e. Westinghouse vs. GE vs. Allis-Chalmers and so forth, but there does seem to be better ability to deal with excess heat these days leading to cleaner casings with less fins and heat exchanger pipes than in the past. Try searching on the OWI or Google/LIFE photo sites for "electrical", "transformer", "substation" and so forth and you ought to be able to find lots of dated photos. Yout typical hydroelectric dam, nuclear plant, or TVA article ought to have good pictures.
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From: Bruce Smith In looking at the Walthers Northern Power and Light Substation, it looks like there are a number of transformers that might make interesting loads. My concern is that the main transformer has relative sharp corners - ie a very boxy shape. Many older transformers seem to have rounded ends. When did box shaped transformers come into use?
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Electrical Transformers
Folks,
In looking at the Walthers Northern Power and Light Substation, it looks like there are a number of transformers that might make interesting loads. My concern is that the main transformer has relative sharp corners - ie a very boxy shape. Many older transformers seem to have rounded ends. When did box shaped transformers come into use? Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: GM&O 21000-22419
Lee wrote
Nothing on my end. It's a mystery. May be a Comcast hiccup.Many thanks for the info. Many, many, many, many, many..... Well, Sorry that's how I write "Rectangular Panel" roof. I use DPAnyway, great info, but can you translate the shorthand with regard to for "Diagonal Panel". From my notes: RMJ 10/1999 pp.43-51 Ed Hawkins covers postwar 10'4"Also, what is the subject of Ed Hawkin's RMJ article? Is it GM&O to 10'8" boxcars with the 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught (rolling pin) ends -- photos DRGW/ATSF/NP/ERIE/MONON/CNW/IC/CB&Q/AA/A&WP Tim O'Connor
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Re: GM&O 21000-22419
Brian
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I got 9 copies! Don't ask me... I only sent it once. Tim O'Connor
At 11/27/2008 01:44 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply?
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
destron@...
And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would be corrosiveIf it'd make a difference... the latices in question would probably be things like unfinished (i.e., uncoagulated) styrene-butadiene or other synthetic rubbers. The liquid output after the ingredients (styrene and butadiene for SB rubber, aka GR-S or Buna-S) are co-polymerized (using other chemicals as catalysts, emulsifiers and retardants) is called a latex; the latex is then fed into another tank, where it's mixed with brine and sulphuric acid to make it coagulate into little flakes of solidified rubber that's then baled and shipped off in 40lb bales (likely the contents of the UP boxcar I saw in another photo of the Polymer Corp. plant). Now, whether this latex described above would be corrosive or otherwise dangerous to put into an unlined tank car, I don't know... perhaps someone who understands polymer chemistry a bit more could answer that. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Mark Feddersen wrote:
"I assume your need to constantly make snide remarks is compensation for manly deficiencies." As Schuyler noted, this remark is blatantly in violation of the rules. The concept and philosophy of the STMFC is to allow members to freely make comments in opposition to another member's view. That does not mean, however, that the opposing view need be accepted and views in opposition to it are welcome. At no time, however, may personal attacks be levied at any member. I would appreciate it if the members will simply move on...ignoring this comment...which will be removed from the group's archives. Normally I don't comment about a rule violation requiring a jail sentence but, in this case, the temptation to reply to the message requires a public comment. The sound you might have heard is the sound of the closing of a door in the new wing of Moderate Jail. My, my...lot of people in the new wing. One guy asked me if Notre Dame was still number one. Mike Brock STMFC Owner and Head Judge
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Re: Pipe loads on the cheap
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
I'm with you, Rich, but i think there is an easier way than
finding either a vertical boring machine or even a drill press to reduce the thickenss of the wall to use this sort of material to depict 1/87th scale pipe. With styrene products this is a very easy fix, nearly the same with aluminum and only a little less so with copper, depending on how it is alloyed. Deburring tools can be purchased quite inexpensively and can be used to ream out the inside of the ends of whichever material you might use for HO scale pipe. The sharper the angle of the deburring tool, the better it will work for this purpose. Once this is done and the "pipe" is painted in realistic colors one will have to look hard to realize the walls of the "pipe" are thicker than they appear to be at their ends. I have a couple of these deburrers on my reloading bench to be certain the inside of rifle cases are properly deburred and chamfered before reloading them. Bullets seat a lot easier in cases that have been trimmed to the proper length only after the inside of their necks have been chamfered with such a tool. They are a hand tool that is simple to use. Any machinist can help you locate one or they can be found under the "reloading tools" part of eBay's "Sporting" section, often for very little money. Hope this helps, Don Valentine --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote: copper tubing. Cut it to length then use a vertical boring machine or a drillpress to thin the walls to a depth of 1/4 inch or so. This give a visually thinwall but maintains the overall integrity of the pipe. Paint to match thecolor of the company manufacturing the pipe -- US steel black, J&L steeltuscan, Armco steel dk blue, anything from American Bridge was orange althoughthat was mostly structural steel for bridges. Not sure the correct colorfor Bethlehem steel pipe. Also adds some weight to the gon. Brass or aluminumtubing would work just as well.buy commercial loads for all these without having to reduce my resinbunch of coffee stirrers, of course, but I don't know if there is somethingthe NEW AOL.com.dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
Schuyler Larrabee
Frank Valoczy wrote:No, Tony, there is no way that the term "Latex Lining" could possibly be construed to mean "LatexWould the latex lining not react somehow with the latex then loadedThe statement of "latex lining" could have meant resistant lining." If it meant that, it would SAY: "Latex Resistant Lining." And it's hard to think of anything made of latex that would be corrosive and dangerous to put into an unlined tank car. But then, you're the materials guy, and you have a better chance of knowing than I do . . . SGL
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
Schuyler Larrabee
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-----Original Message----- Completely uncalled for. And against list rules. 1) No slanders against other members. 2) no unsigned messages (unless your name appears in the "From" line, as mine does. A apology is called for. SGL
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Re: GM&O 21000-22419
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Lee Gautreaux wrote:
Anyway, great info, but can you translate the shorthand with regard toRectangular Panel, the predecessor to the diagonal-panel roof. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: GM&O 21000-22419
Lee Gautreaux
Tim,
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Many thanks for the info. Many, many, many, many, many..... Well, you get the idea. I wonder what caused the multiple posts to the list? I hope it is not some sort of nasty viral bug. Anyway, great info, but can you translate the shorthand with regard to "RP roof?" I'm not totally versed in roofs. Also, what is the subject of Ed Hawkin's RMJ article? Is it GM&O cars, or does it deal with 40' box cars, or is it on AC&F? By the way, my GM&O pages are in the beginning stages at the following: http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/other_cars/gmo_cars/ Again, many, many thanks, Lee A. Gautreaux - The tryptophan-filled RailGoat http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
destron@...
Frank Valoczy wrote:This is the plural I have fairly consistently found in the relevant. . . they moved a lot of latices in tank cars (which I assume wouldI assume this plural is formed by false analogy with "index, technical literature that I have consulted. As to its origin, I don't know, I've worked mostly with Finno-Ugric languages, not Romance and Germanic ones. ;) (Interestingly enough, the spellchecker says "Finno-Ugric" is misspelt, but "latices" is not.) That would make sense. What would be used for such a lining? I'd guess notWould the latex lining not react somehow with the latex then loadedThe statement of "latex lining" could have meant glass, but perhaps some particular plastic? Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: GM&O 21000-22419
armprem
You can have some of mine.<G>Armand Premo
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From: "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@comcast.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] GM&O 21000-22419 >I haven't gotten any! > > Jim Brewer > Glenwood MD > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony Thompson > To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [STMFC] GM&O 21000-22419 > > > Brian J Carlson wrote: > > Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply? > > Yes, and they're still coming--I'm up to eight. Tim, don't hold down > the send key <g>. > > Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA > 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com > (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com > Publishers of books on railroad history > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1815 - Release Date: 11/27/2008 9:02 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: GM&O 21000-22419
armprem
Six?I recieved Nine.Armand Premo
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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@bluemoon.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] GM&O 21000-22419 > Did anyone else get 6 copies of Tim's reply? > > Brian J Carlson P.E. > Cheektowaga NY > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1815 - Release Date: 11/27/2008 9:02 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Frank Valoczy wrote:
. . . they moved a lot of latices in tank cars (which I assume would have been cars like this . . .I assume this plural is formed by false analogy with "index, indices?" <g> Would the latex lining not react somehow with the latex then loaded into the tank?The statement of "latex lining" could have meant "latex-resistant lining." Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Philadelphia Quartz Type 21 tank car
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:
Please don't forget Tahoe Model Works' Buckeye ARA truck. I think Oops. I should have thought of Brian's Buckeye truck. I probablyit's actually a better choice than the Accurail truck - especially on ais quite visible.My Buckeye ARA truck does NOT represent a double truss truck. It does represent a side frame design where the lower chords are an "inverted U-section", much like the upper chords. They differ from the upper chords in that their sides curve in at the bottom and leave a lip around the openings on the bottom. Buckeye's ad in the 1928 CBC shows a side frame with this feature. I don't know if Buckeye should get the credit for its design. Symington incorporated this design into their "Improved Double Truss" truck, which was introduced sometime between mid-1932 and mid-1933. Symington added raised tapered ribs into the otherwise smooth upper surfaces of the lower chords. These rib contours terminated at the spring seat, providing a stronger and larger space for additional springs. The prototype trucks in the photo have normal U-section lower chords. Notice that a raised beading completely encircles each side frame window. The TMW Buckeye truck differs on this detail, but still, I think, comes the closest with its spring plank, close spring spacing, and open bolster end details. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Car and Loco Builders' Cyclopedia
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Re: Polymer Corp., Ltd / Polysar tank cars
destron@...
Steve,
Thanks for that. I'm curious, though: latex lining? Hearing from someone who worked for the C&O and did extensive switching work at the Polymer Corp. plant at Sarnia, they moved a lot of latices in tank cars (which I assume would have been cars like this, and the photo seems to suggest that, too; it wouldn't have been their own PCLX cars, since those were 105s and pressurized, and my best guess is, as I mentioned, that they were used for butadiene and such things). Would the latex lining not react somehow with the latex then loaded into the tank? Do you have information on the specifications of such a latex lining? On a tangent, from the above-mentioned ex-C&O employee I got some info about the PCLX tank cars: he said they seemed 'different' from other tank cars, were short (he guesses about 38' in length) and were a medium blue colour. Unfortunately, he didn't get any photos, though he mentioned that they had appeared to have been sitting disused for quite a while (rusty wheels). Barring a fluke discovery of a photo of one of the PCLX tank cars, I'm not sure I'll ever get anything more detailed about them. So I'm curious as to what these cars may have looked like, or what they were similar to: what other tank car series were there that were ICC 105, about 38' in length? Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC According to the 1952 roster of UTLX tank cars, 25000 - 25100 were 10,000 Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: P&LE 36' DS box trucks
Richard Hendrickson
On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Dean Payne wrote:
The car number on the F&C website is 32329, I'm not sure what the Lot # 275B consisted of 2,000 cars built for the P&LE in 1912 by the Pressed Steel Car Co. and numbered P&LE 32000-33999. The same design was built by the thousands in 1912-'13 for the NYC and its subsidiaries (MC, Big 4, B&A, and CASO all got them, as well as NYC and P&LE). I don't have any photos of the P&LE cars but both builder's and in-service photos of other cars of this design built at the same time show all of them with early Andrews L-section trucks with one-piece sloping journal box retainers as modeled in HO by Kadee. Richard Hendrickson
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