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Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Richard Hendrickson
 

Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented), put me down on your list. Fortunately,
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Bill Vaughn
 

Just be careful the roof will lift off.  It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.
 
Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@msn.com> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@msn.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM






I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


















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Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Paul Hillman
 

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Aley, Jeff A
 

All,

If you want to sign up for the Shake-N-Take, please send an email to Greg Martin (tgregmrtn at aol dot com ). He will be the keeper of The List (whether he realizes it or not! :) )

We look forward to seeing you at Prototype Rails 2009 in Cocoa Beach, FL (Jan 8-11, 2009). See http://www.prototyperails.com<http://www.prototyperails.com/> for more details.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Clinic Chairman,
Prototype Rails 2009

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:12 PM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] The Shake N Take clinic

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You?know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN?stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar?version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as?a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very?interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for?the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. ??

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.)
11.)
13.)
14.)
15.)
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson?for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided?additional pieces to the puzzle and his help was greatly appreciated.
?
Greg Martin


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George Walls wrote:
Cudahy Packing Co home offices were in South Omaha, NE.
But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Greg Martin
 

Richard wrote:




"Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented)'50s and not PRR-oriented)<WBR>, put me down
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson"

Richard,
I am glad your going to make it. Without you little boot with the photos I
would have never been sure this would work.
Everyone should realize these cars were on the system well beyond Richards
cut off date of 1947 and well into my era of 1957 on the PRR. This will be a
memorable kit to build and we will touch on a couple other cars that I am
working on collecting data for that I will present as modeling articles as well
in the future.
Greg Martin





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Re: The Shake N Take clinic 1st update

Greg Martin
 

Here is the first update:




Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher challenge than those of the
past. In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we are going to
reduce the number of those that can actually participate as the kits are far
more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters
are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the
project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good
about keeping it quite. You know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the
suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard
Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as
rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project
will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the
ACCURAIL GN stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar version as
well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as a simplified version
with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown
conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very interesting car
in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live
Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt
Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to
this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for the ACCURAIL "Scale"
coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical
data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo.

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted
than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in
non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch
on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson Again, I want to thank Richard
Hendrickson <WBR>for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his
initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided additional
pieces to

Greg Martin

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The Shake N Take clinic

Greg Martin
 

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You?know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN?stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar?version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as?a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very?interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for?the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. ??

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.)
11.)
13.)
14.)
15.)
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson?for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided?additional pieces to the puzzle and his help was greatly appreciated.
?
Greg Martin


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

ATSF1226
 

Brian,
Cudahy Packing Co home offices were in South Omaha, NE. Had a plant in
Phoenix, AZ in the time frame you are refering too. Plant was served by
SP trains. I believe Cudahy took over the old Tovrea meat packing co.

George A Walls

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Dave Nelson
 

John Hile wrote:

In the late 20's Cudahy is listed as having packing facilities in:
Fresno, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Bernardino, and San Francisco per
an ATSF Shipper's guide of the era.
In the steam era Cudahy's main slaughterhouse was in Salt Lake City and they
shipped beef and lamb sides to the west coast where the packing facilities
cut them up for deliveries to the local retail market. IIRC they also had
something in Denver but at this moment I do not recall if it was just
another packing house or a full slaughterhouse operation.

The Oakland packing house, and I think the one in San Francisco too, had
rail service provided by the WP.

Dave Nelson


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?





Brian,

I have been slowly gathering info on the West Coast for modeling my
freight car fleet. Here's what I can add regarding Cudahy...

In the late 20's Cudahy is listed as having packing facilities in:
Fresno, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Bernardino, and San Francisco per an
ATSF Shipper's guide of the era.

Also, if you Google "chown pella cudahy portland" you will get to some
pics of a building that (according to the web sites) was used by
Cudahy in that city. When...I'm not sure.


John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Re: Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar, circa 1942

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "parkcitybranch" <parkcitybranch@...>
wrote:

I have an Overland Models Wabash Single Door box car that was
converted from a double door auto box car. Can anyone suggest a
paint
color for circa 1942. A scalecoat paint match would be best since
that is what my painter likes to use. Thanks.

Jason,

I have used Scalecoat II oxide red which looks close to a newly
painted car. I have also painted two cars with Badger Modelflex
light tuscan oxide, but like the Scalecoat color better. The Wabash
#10 freight car red did shift to a more brown color by the mid
1950's.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 5, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Brian Leppert wrote:

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?







Brian, I have a photo of a Cudahy car westbound in a UP train in
western Nebraska (and therefore en route to somewhere west of the
Rockies), a photo of a Cudahy car in San Francisco in 1952, and
distant photographic evidence of Cudahy meat reefers at the Cudahy
packing plant in San Diego in the '40s. So I think you're safe in
assuming that their meat reefers frequently came west.

Richard Hendrickson


Cudahy meat reefers

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Important Holiday Reminder

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

If you're planning on ordering DVD's for Christmas, the last day to get your order in to assure
delivery for Christmas is December 18th. The post office is running slower these days, so we
want to make sure there's a full week to let them do their work.

The new DVD, "Painting Figures with Dave Revelia" is in stock and available for immediate
shipping, as are all my DVD titles.

Also, I have about 25 roundhouse kits left. I am not sure if there will be any left after
Christmas, and I will not be holding any for the Springfield Show, so if you want one, this
might be your last chance.

As always, you can place an order through my website, by sending a check or money order
through the mail, or by calling me directly.

Happy Holidays!

Scott
www.scottymason.com


Re: Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar, circa 1942

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Since the PRR owned most of the Wabash stock, you might assume that their paint color might be similar.
But you'd be wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar, circa 1942

Robert Gibson, Jr. <gibsonjr@...>
 

Since the PRR owned most of the Wabash stock, you might assume that their
paint color might be similar.



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
James F. Brewer
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:14 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar,
circa 1942



Jason,

I have just built a Sunshine Mini-Kit that utilizes the Tichy Steel USRA
Rebuild for a model of a Wabash rebuilt boxcar; the info with the mini-kit
indicates the Wabash color was very near the Pennsy freight car color (just
reporting what is written and not wanting to start a war on PRR color);
also, in the September 2008 RMC, installment 43 of Essential Freight Cars
(Post-War AAR boxcars), Ted Culotta features a Wabash car and suggests
Badger Modelflex Light Tuscan Oxide Red for a very good approximation of the
Wabash oxide red freight color. I used this paint for my Sunshine mini-kit.

In Volume 3, RPC, Pat Wider provided a table of suggested model paint for
various prototypes; his suggestion for Wabash is equal parts of Floquil's
Southern Brown (#175) and Oxide Red (#186). Since Volume 3 was published in
1999, I believe Floquil has changed its formulas.

Your paint guy might want to look at the Badger color and see what Scalecoat
may have that is close. Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: parkcitybranch
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar, circa
1942

I have an Overland Models Wabash Single Door box car that was
converted from a double door auto box car. Can anyone suggest a paint
color for circa 1942. A scalecoat paint match would be best since
that is what my painter likes to use. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar, circa 1942

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Jason,

I have just built a Sunshine Mini-Kit that utilizes the Tichy Steel USRA Rebuild for a model of a Wabash rebuilt boxcar; the info with the mini-kit indicates the Wabash color was very near the Pennsy freight car color (just reporting what is written and not wanting to start a war on PRR color); also, in the September 2008 RMC, installment 43 of Essential Freight Cars (Post-War AAR boxcars), Ted Culotta features a Wabash car and suggests Badger Modelflex Light Tuscan Oxide Red for a very good approximation of the Wabash oxide red freight color. I used this paint for my Sunshine mini-kit.

In Volume 3, RPC, Pat Wider provided a table of suggested model paint for various prototypes; his suggestion for Wabash is equal parts of Floquil's Southern Brown (#175) and Oxide Red (#186). Since Volume 3 was published in 1999, I believe Floquil has changed its formulas.

Your paint guy might want to look at the Badger color and see what Scalecoat may have that is close. Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: parkcitybranch
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Paint Color Suggestion for Wabash Single Door Boxcar, circa 1942


I have an Overland Models Wabash Single Door box car that was
converted from a double door auto box car. Can anyone suggest a paint
color for circa 1942. A scalecoat paint match would be best since
that is what my painter likes to use. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: Pipe Thread is terminated

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

CJ Riley says:

"Would the ban include the shipment of smoking tobacco pipes in steam era freight cars?"

Bill Kelly says:

"Since there is a problem with discussing the thread on pipes does this
mean that we are free to discuss plain end pipe riding in steam era
freight cars ?"

Very good. I particularly like Bill's reference to "thread".

OTOH,

Pipe down...guys <G>.

Mike Brock


ADMIN: Re: Re: Pipe Thread is terminated

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tony Thompson writes:

"I thought we were free to discuss loads in STEAM ERA FRT CARS,
which is what most of the pipe discussion has been. Not so?"

It depends. Uncontrolled discussions of loads can quickly take us into a VERY expanded acceptable scope of permitted subjects. While there were within scope messages regarding pipes...how to model pipes and how to load them in what types of cars...there were also messages only remotely associated with frt cars. Note my:

"Therefore...as of midnight tonight...ET...the thread on pipes [ of any
kind ] is terminated with the exception of a VERY clear association
with STEAM ERA FRT CARS."
So...if someone wants to discuss how pipes were loaded in steam era frt cars, that is fine and is obviously a close association with steam era frt cars. Discussions about how to model pipes is obviously also within scope. OTOH, discussions about how pipe is made, how heavy it was, what companies made which pipe and how much profit they made in 1947, is not clearly associated with steam era frt cars. The point is, where does one stop? For example, grain was hauled in box cars during the steam era. That does not mean the STMFC is a great place to discuss the harvesting techniques of processing corn or soybeans or what fertilizer should be used to grow it. Certainly the transportation of lumber...finished and unfinished...and the loading concepts of it are important to the frt car modeler. The processes involved in growing trees or logging trees, however, are not closely associated with steam era Standard Gauge frt cars. IOW, just about every subject that is appropriate for discussion on the STMFC has a connection to associated discussions that are not appropriate unless we want to expand the subjects within scope to include everything in North America. I don't want to go there and if we open the door to discussions about stuff only VERY remotely connected with frt cars, we have to do it with all stuff. Thus, while some members might find discussions about pipe generation interesting, they might NOT find discussions about growing bananas in Guatemala [ gasp ] or the intricacies of mining and separating coal into proper sizes and the various aspects of the culture of coal miners in Rimrock Tennessee or Brock's Hollow, West By God, Virginia.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

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