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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote:

...Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in
Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different
companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed
Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ
moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at
www.patrickcudahy.com

This is all well and good, but still doesn't tell us which company
owned the cars with the CRLX mark. The NMRA reprint of the January '53
ORER shows the mark assigned to Cudahy Packing Co. of Chicago, Ill.
This would be the operation that traces its roots to Omaha, and photos
of CRLX cars in the Hendrickson / Kaminski book on billboard reefers
shows these to be the cars with four door hinges.

The ORER does not seem to have a listing for either Cudahy Brouthers
or Patrick Cudahy Co., but the reefer book has a photo of NRC 2217
with the Patrick Cudahy trademark, and lettering to the effect that
the car was leased to Cudahy Brothers Co. Cudahy, WI., this makes
sense, as the Northern Refrigerator Car Line had started business as
the Milwaukee Refrigerator Car line, of Cudahy, WI. However, even this
reference confuses the Cudahy WI operation with the Cudahy Packing Co.
of Chicago, which I feel is incorrect. The Wikipedia page on the
Merchants Despatch Transportation Co. correctly attributes the
founding of NRC to "Milwaukee's Cudahy brothers." By 1953, NRC also
had its general offices in Chicago, adding to the confusion, but still
had an office in Milwaukee, WI

They were indeed two totally separate operations.

Dennis


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Don, regarding the Atlas reefer, a search of the group archives will show considerable discussion of the model when it first came
out. Atlas claims the model is based upon a Cudahy car built in 1925. At the time many questioned how prototypical was the car as
photos were not known. I since found one photo of a Cudahy car, CRLX 5557, which appears to match the Atlas model. That photo is
in the Billboard Reefer book, and while built in 1928, it appears to match the Atlas model, right down to the four hinges. The car
is lettered to be returned to E Chicago IND (ie Calumet, home of the Cudahy Packing Co. car shops). Richard Hendrickson may have
more to offer.

Four hinges were not as odd as we think, they were found on many reefers, esp in early years. Manufactures moved to the six hinge
design because it added security that a door would remain in place if a hinge broke or failed, ie screws pulled out of rotted
wood, enroute.

A number of builders built meat reefers, and meat reefers were different from produce reefers. Details and car designs varied.
There is no one correct prototype or model. Vol 14 of the RP CYC had an article in General American 37' meat reefers, with lots of
photos of a specific builder's cars. Martin Loften wrote a wonderful article on Meat reefers first published by the NMRA in one of
their Symposium books, later published in a series in Mainline Modeler magazine. For HO models of wood sided 36'/37' meat reefers
we have the Mather reefer by Red Caboose, Sunshine's model, and the car by Atlas. And lest it be forgotten the old old Varney
model. The MDC 36' old timer has been used by many, I have a fleet of them, but it is not a meat reefer.

The Atlas model appears to be correct, for one prototype. Unfortunately they choose a car apparently used by only one company,
than decided it needed operating doors and ice hatches like it's larger O scale brethren. This lead to oversized hinges. I laid in
a stock of Grandt Line reefer hinges and intend to modify part of my Atlas reefer fleet by gluing the doors shut and adding new
hinges, 3 per side. Atlas offered the car in a variety of paint schemes, the schemes appear to be accurate, but none to my
knowledge were used on the Cudahy car, which is why I bought a bunch of undecs. We all would have been better served if Atlas had
chosen the General American car or another builder who supplied cars to many meat packer car fleets.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug, on an old club layout we modeled a "branch house"
called Nashua Beef in Nashua, New Hampshire. Do you know
if this was the Cudahy affiliate in your list?
Tim O'Connor

NH Nashua

Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Opps, just looked at my posting on the website, to discover Yahoo removed the tabs, so it is impossible to tell which locations
were slaughter vs branch, vs produce, vs cleanser. So lets try again:

Packing Plants/Slaughter houses
CA Los Angeles
CA San Diego
IA Sioux City
KS Wichita
MI Detroit
MN St. Paul
MO Kansas City
NE Omaha
NJ Jersey City,
UT North Salt Lake

Branch Houses
AL Birmingham
AL Mobile
AL Montgomery
AR Little Rock
CA Fresno
CA San Francisco
CT Bridgeport
CT New Haven
CT Waterbury
FL Jacksonville
FL Miami
FL Orlando
FL Pensacola
FL Tampa
GA Atlanta
GA Macon
GA Savannah
IA Clinton
IL Aurora
IL Bloomington
IL Elgin
IL Joliet
IL Peoria
IL Quincy
IL Rockford
IL So. Chicago
IL Springfield
KS Topeka
LA Alexandria
LA Monroe
LA New Orleans
LA Shreveport
MA Boston
MA Fall River
MA Holyoke
MA Lawrence
MA Lowell
MA Worcester
ME Portland
MN Duluth
MN Minneapolis
MS Vicksburg
NH Nashua
NJ Atlantic City
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
OH Youngstown
PA Braddock
PA Charleroi
PA McKeesport
PA New Castle
PA Beaver Falls
PA Pittston
PA Scranton
PA Philadelphia
RI Providence
TN Memphis
TN Chattanooga
VA Norfolk
Washington D.C.

Produce Plants
IA Davenport
IA Sioux City
IA Winfield
KS Fredonia
KS Wichita
MN Granite Falls
MN Wadena
MN New Ulm
MO Neosho
ND Fairmont
NE Alma
OH Washington C.H.
WI Fond Du Lac


Old Dutch Cleanser Plants
CA Los Angeles
IN Calumet (East Chicago)
NE Omaha
Sydney, Australia
Toronto, Canada
Auckland, New Zealand
Havana, Cuba



Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

My understanding of the meat business is that there
were large slaughterhouse operations in the midwest,
and that whole sides of beef (& pork?) were shipped
to company "butcher-houses" in urban areas in the
east, south, west, etc. So why shouldn't Cudahy
reefers from Wisconsin or Iowa be sent to California?

Tim O'Connor

Now I am confused: I can recall seeing Cudahy meat cars on Chicago Great Western freight trains coming through Marshalltown, Iowa, and headed toward Oelwein, Iowa, the great CGW hub. I have no idea where those cars were headed, and I never suspected they were would be headed west to Utah and California, but I suppose it's a possiblity. Did the Patrick Cudahy outfit lease meat cars, too? If so how were its cars different in appearance from those of the California outfit?
Tom


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy
meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different
companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ
moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at www.patrickcudahy.com

From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks"
Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South Omaha, Neb.
1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City
1900 Kansas City
1906 Wichita, Kansas
1916 Salt Lake City
1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ
1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St. Paul)
1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the west coast)
1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ

Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into
chops, steaks, roasts, etc.
in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC, Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba;
In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops
Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me

Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at:
Washington Court House, Ohio
Sioux City, Ia
Evansville, Wis
Alma, Neb
Davenport, Ia
Fairmount, ND
Memphis, Tenn
Neosho, MO
New Ulm, Minn
Superior, Wis
Winfield, Ia
Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930

Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits. Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap
products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and provided additional revenue.

Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it has five columns, but I think you will be able to
figure it out.

Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931
Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch Cleanser Plants
State City City City City
AL Birmingham
AL Mobile
AL Montgomery
AR Little Rock
CA Los Angeles
CA Los Angeles
CA San Diego
CA Fresno
CA San Francisco
CT Bridgeport
CT New Haven
CT Waterbury
FL Jacksonville
FL Miami
FL Orlando
FL Pensacola
FL Tampa
GA Atlanta
GA Macon
GA Savannah
IA Sioux City
IA Clinton
IA Davenport
IA Sioux City
IA Winfield
IL Aurora
IL Bloomington
IL Elgin
IL Joliet
IL Peoria
IL Quincy
IL Rockford
IL So. Chicago
IL Springfield
IN Calumet (East Chicago)
KS Wichita
KS Topeka
KS Fredonia
KS Wichita
LA Alexandria
LA Monroe
LA New Orleans
LA Shreveport
MA Boston
MA Fall River
MA Holyoke
MA Lawrence
MA Lowell
MA Worcester
ME Portland
MI Detroit
MN St. Paul
MN Duluth
MN Minneapolis
MN Granite Falls
MN Wadena
MN New Ulm
MO Kansas City
MO Neosho
MS Vicksburg
ND Fairmont
NE Omaha
NE Alma
NE Omaha
NH Nashua
NJ Atlantic City
NJ Jersey City
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
OH Washington C.H.
OH Youngstown
PA Braddock
PA Charleroi
PA McKeesport
PA New Castle
PA Beaver Falls
PA Pittston
PA Scranton
PA Philadelphia
RI Providence
TN Memphis
TN Chattanooga
UT North Salt Lake
VA Norfolk
WI Fond Du Lac
Washington D.C.
Sydney, Australia
Toronto, Canada
Auckland, New Zealand
Havana, Cuba

Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Lifelike Fowler CN

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jim---

Best suggestion that I have is to use it for a car body shed on the
ground. True Line Trains (Life-Like Canada's successor) has advertised
a re-make of this car, and the photos in their ad show it to be a very
nice model.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "red_gate_rover" <red_gate_rover@...>
wrote:

In an impulse purchase I picked up a LifeLike Canada Fowler boxcar. It
came without the underframe and trucks. What underframe could I use
and whose trucks would be right? Also the shell is painted and
lettered for CN but has no data. Who sells data and other markings for
this car and what resource do I need to know where things should go?
I model 1929. As always, thank you. -Jim


Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers

Donald B. Valentine
 

This subject may have been covered in the past so please excuse
me if I'm creating repetition because it has not been found.

Cudahy was also represented in the Boston area at least up
through WW II AFAIK. With that in mind I've had interest in the Atlas
36 ft. meat reefer. It is my understanding, and I'm looking for
correction on this, that the Atlas car was modeled after a Cudahy
prototype, particularly with the odd use of only four hinges for the
two halves of each door. Is this or is it not correct? Also, are
photos available for such cars in other than the "billboard" paint
offered by Atlas and, if so, are decals available. If what I'm
questioning is correct it is a shame that Atlas has offered that
model painted for just about every packing company that ever existed
but, apparently, few that any of us can use and be prototypically
correct as it is also my understanding that Cudahy was about the only
packer that used these oddball prototyes. I'd just like to have a
couple in a later Cudahy paint that is prototyically correct, if that
is possible.

Thanks for anything anyone can offer to bring me up to speed on
this.

Don Valentine




--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented
to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Bill Kelly
 

I found the following:
http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-founder.html
Also look at:
http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-history.html
These help to sort things out.

Later,
Bill Kelly


Tony wrote

WERE two separate Cudahy companies, one called Cudahy Brothers and
later Patrick Cudahy Inc., based in Wisconsin, the other called
Cudahy
Packing, based in Omaha. Someone more knowledgeable than me about
details should chime in here and give us the whole story.
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Ray Breyer
 

Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:
>>OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy
>>was for the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car
>>Lines and were owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin.
>>These cars often came east on the NKP. Are there two separate Cudahy
>>meat packing companies? The emails make is sound like there were
>>different corporations.


Hi Brian,

Remember, just because a company is "based in" a certain state doesn't mean that it's restricted to ONLY that state. Cudahy had processing plants of various sizes all over the country. On the NKP's Peoria Division there's a Cudahy plant in Bloomington, IL. It received dressed hog sides (in CRLX reefers) and shipped bacon and margarine (in CRLX reefers). My meat reefer fleet has a disproportionate number of Cudahy reefers in it because of that one plant, although I believe Cudahy also had a sausage processing plant in Peoria (next to the stockyards on the Rock Island)

Regards,

Ray Breyer


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy was for the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car Lines and were owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. These cars often came east
on the NKP. Are there two separate Cudahy meat packing companies? The emails make is sound like there were different corporations.
Brian, I'm no expert on the meat industry, but I believe there WERE two separate Cudahy companies, one called Cudahy Brothers and later Patrick Cudahy Inc., based in Wisconsin, the other called Cudahy Packing, based in Omaha. Someone more knowledgeable than me about details should chime in here and give us the whole story.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy was for
the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car Lines and were
owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. These cars often came east
on the NKP.
Are there two separate Cudahy meat packing companies? The emails make is
sound like there were different corporations.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cudahy meat reefers


But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to
the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat
business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other
Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).


Lifelike Fowler CN

red_gate_rover
 

In an impulse purchase I picked up a LifeLike Canada Fowler boxcar. It
came without the underframe and trucks. What underframe could I use
and whose trucks would be right? Also the shell is painted and
lettered for CN but has no data. Who sells data and other markings for
this car and what resource do I need to know where things should go?
I model 1929. As always, thank you. -Jim


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Thomas Baker
 

But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to
the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat
business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other
Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).



Now I am confused: I can recall seeing Cudahy meat cars on Chicago Great Western freight trains coming through Marshalltown, Iowa, and headed toward Oelwein, Iowa, the great CGW hub. I have no idea where those cars were headed, and I never suspected they were would be headed west to Utah and California, but I suppose it's a possiblity. Did the Patrick Cudahy outfit lease meat cars, too? If so how were its cars different in appearance from those of the California outfit?

Tom


Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Andy Miller showed me a trick of sorts: he has a palette knife, which is even thinner than a razor
blade, and it can be used in very tight joints to push on tabs like you're dealing with there.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Paul Hillman
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Hello Bill,

I tried a little, mild, X-Acto knifing between the roof & upper car-body, but it doesn't try to
separate very easily. The
ends keep stuck down. Don't want to gouge the plastic with the knife. Tried various pushing &
pulling techniques, but no
success.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: bill Vaughn<mailto:@atsfmodelr <mailto:atsfmodlr%40yahoo.com> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC@...
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Just be careful the roof will lift off. It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.

Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...
<mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com>
<mailto:chris_hillman@... <mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com> >> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@... <mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com>
<mailto:chris_hillman@... <mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com> >>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman








Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Paul Hillman
 

Hello Bill,

I tried a little, mild, X-Acto knifing between the roof & upper car-body, but it doesn't try to separate very easily. The ends keep stuck down. Don't want to gouge the plastic with the knife. Tried various pushing & pulling techniques, but no success.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: bill Vaughn<mailto:@atsfmodelr>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors


Just be careful the roof will lift off. It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.

Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...<mailto:chris_hillman@...>> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...<mailto:chris_hillman@...>>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Richard Hendrickson
 

Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented), put me down on your list. Fortunately,
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Bill Vaughn
 

Just be careful the roof will lift off.  It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.
 
Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM






I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


















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Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Paul Hillman
 

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Aley, Jeff A
 

All,

If you want to sign up for the Shake-N-Take, please send an email to Greg Martin (tgregmrtn at aol dot com ). He will be the keeper of The List (whether he realizes it or not! :) )

We look forward to seeing you at Prototype Rails 2009 in Cocoa Beach, FL (Jan 8-11, 2009). See http://www.prototyperails.com<http://www.prototyperails.com/> for more details.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Clinic Chairman,
Prototype Rails 2009

________________________________
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of tgregmrtn@...
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:12 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] The Shake N Take clinic

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You?know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN?stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar?version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as?a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very?interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for?the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. ??

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.)
11.)
13.)
14.)
15.)
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
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Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson?for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided?additional pieces to the puzzle and his help was greatly appreciated.
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Greg Martin