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Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers

Donald B. Valentine
 

This subject may have been covered in the past so please excuse
me if I'm creating repetition because it has not been found.

Cudahy was also represented in the Boston area at least up
through WW II AFAIK. With that in mind I've had interest in the Atlas
36 ft. meat reefer. It is my understanding, and I'm looking for
correction on this, that the Atlas car was modeled after a Cudahy
prototype, particularly with the odd use of only four hinges for the
two halves of each door. Is this or is it not correct? Also, are
photos available for such cars in other than the "billboard" paint
offered by Atlas and, if so, are decals available. If what I'm
questioning is correct it is a shame that Atlas has offered that
model painted for just about every packing company that ever existed
but, apparently, few that any of us can use and be prototypically
correct as it is also my understanding that Cudahy was about the only
packer that used these oddball prototyes. I'd just like to have a
couple in a later Cudahy paint that is prototyically correct, if that
is possible.

Thanks for anything anyone can offer to bring me up to speed on
this.

Don Valentine




--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented
to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Lifelike Fowler CN

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jim---

Best suggestion that I have is to use it for a car body shed on the
ground. True Line Trains (Life-Like Canada's successor) has advertised
a re-make of this car, and the photos in their ad show it to be a very
nice model.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "red_gate_rover" <red_gate_rover@...>
wrote:

In an impulse purchase I picked up a LifeLike Canada Fowler boxcar. It
came without the underframe and trucks. What underframe could I use
and whose trucks would be right? Also the shell is painted and
lettered for CN but has no data. Who sells data and other markings for
this car and what resource do I need to know where things should go?
I model 1929. As always, thank you. -Jim

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy
meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different
companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ
moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at www.patrickcudahy.com

From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks"
Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South Omaha, Neb.
1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City
1900 Kansas City
1906 Wichita, Kansas
1916 Salt Lake City
1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ
1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St. Paul)
1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the west coast)
1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ

Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into
chops, steaks, roasts, etc.
in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC, Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba;
In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops
Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me

Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at:
Washington Court House, Ohio
Sioux City, Ia
Evansville, Wis
Alma, Neb
Davenport, Ia
Fairmount, ND
Memphis, Tenn
Neosho, MO
New Ulm, Minn
Superior, Wis
Winfield, Ia
Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930

Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits. Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap
products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and provided additional revenue.

Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it has five columns, but I think you will be able to
figure it out.

Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931
Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch Cleanser Plants
State City City City City
AL Birmingham
AL Mobile
AL Montgomery
AR Little Rock
CA Los Angeles
CA Los Angeles
CA San Diego
CA Fresno
CA San Francisco
CT Bridgeport
CT New Haven
CT Waterbury
FL Jacksonville
FL Miami
FL Orlando
FL Pensacola
FL Tampa
GA Atlanta
GA Macon
GA Savannah
IA Sioux City
IA Clinton
IA Davenport
IA Sioux City
IA Winfield
IL Aurora
IL Bloomington
IL Elgin
IL Joliet
IL Peoria
IL Quincy
IL Rockford
IL So. Chicago
IL Springfield
IN Calumet (East Chicago)
KS Wichita
KS Topeka
KS Fredonia
KS Wichita
LA Alexandria
LA Monroe
LA New Orleans
LA Shreveport
MA Boston
MA Fall River
MA Holyoke
MA Lawrence
MA Lowell
MA Worcester
ME Portland
MI Detroit
MN St. Paul
MN Duluth
MN Minneapolis
MN Granite Falls
MN Wadena
MN New Ulm
MO Kansas City
MO Neosho
MS Vicksburg
ND Fairmont
NE Omaha
NE Alma
NE Omaha
NH Nashua
NJ Atlantic City
NJ Jersey City
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
OH Washington C.H.
OH Youngstown
PA Braddock
PA Charleroi
PA McKeesport
PA New Castle
PA Beaver Falls
PA Pittston
PA Scranton
PA Philadelphia
RI Providence
TN Memphis
TN Chattanooga
UT North Salt Lake
VA Norfolk
WI Fond Du Lac
Washington D.C.
Sydney, Australia
Toronto, Canada
Auckland, New Zealand
Havana, Cuba

Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

My understanding of the meat business is that there
were large slaughterhouse operations in the midwest,
and that whole sides of beef (& pork?) were shipped
to company "butcher-houses" in urban areas in the
east, south, west, etc. So why shouldn't Cudahy
reefers from Wisconsin or Iowa be sent to California?

Tim O'Connor

Now I am confused: I can recall seeing Cudahy meat cars on Chicago Great Western freight trains coming through Marshalltown, Iowa, and headed toward Oelwein, Iowa, the great CGW hub. I have no idea where those cars were headed, and I never suspected they were would be headed west to Utah and California, but I suppose it's a possiblity. Did the Patrick Cudahy outfit lease meat cars, too? If so how were its cars different in appearance from those of the California outfit?
Tom

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Opps, just looked at my posting on the website, to discover Yahoo removed the tabs, so it is impossible to tell which locations
were slaughter vs branch, vs produce, vs cleanser. So lets try again:

Packing Plants/Slaughter houses
CA Los Angeles
CA San Diego
IA Sioux City
KS Wichita
MI Detroit
MN St. Paul
MO Kansas City
NE Omaha
NJ Jersey City,
UT North Salt Lake

Branch Houses
AL Birmingham
AL Mobile
AL Montgomery
AR Little Rock
CA Fresno
CA San Francisco
CT Bridgeport
CT New Haven
CT Waterbury
FL Jacksonville
FL Miami
FL Orlando
FL Pensacola
FL Tampa
GA Atlanta
GA Macon
GA Savannah
IA Clinton
IL Aurora
IL Bloomington
IL Elgin
IL Joliet
IL Peoria
IL Quincy
IL Rockford
IL So. Chicago
IL Springfield
KS Topeka
LA Alexandria
LA Monroe
LA New Orleans
LA Shreveport
MA Boston
MA Fall River
MA Holyoke
MA Lawrence
MA Lowell
MA Worcester
ME Portland
MN Duluth
MN Minneapolis
MS Vicksburg
NH Nashua
NJ Atlantic City
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
OH Youngstown
PA Braddock
PA Charleroi
PA McKeesport
PA New Castle
PA Beaver Falls
PA Pittston
PA Scranton
PA Philadelphia
RI Providence
TN Memphis
TN Chattanooga
VA Norfolk
Washington D.C.

Produce Plants
IA Davenport
IA Sioux City
IA Winfield
KS Fredonia
KS Wichita
MN Granite Falls
MN Wadena
MN New Ulm
MO Neosho
ND Fairmont
NE Alma
OH Washington C.H.
WI Fond Du Lac


Old Dutch Cleanser Plants
CA Los Angeles
IN Calumet (East Chicago)
NE Omaha
Sydney, Australia
Toronto, Canada
Auckland, New Zealand
Havana, Cuba



Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug, on an old club layout we modeled a "branch house"
called Nashua Beef in Nashua, New Hampshire. Do you know
if this was the Cudahy affiliate in your list?
Tim O'Connor

NH Nashua

Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Don, regarding the Atlas reefer, a search of the group archives will show considerable discussion of the model when it first came
out. Atlas claims the model is based upon a Cudahy car built in 1925. At the time many questioned how prototypical was the car as
photos were not known. I since found one photo of a Cudahy car, CRLX 5557, which appears to match the Atlas model. That photo is
in the Billboard Reefer book, and while built in 1928, it appears to match the Atlas model, right down to the four hinges. The car
is lettered to be returned to E Chicago IND (ie Calumet, home of the Cudahy Packing Co. car shops). Richard Hendrickson may have
more to offer.

Four hinges were not as odd as we think, they were found on many reefers, esp in early years. Manufactures moved to the six hinge
design because it added security that a door would remain in place if a hinge broke or failed, ie screws pulled out of rotted
wood, enroute.

A number of builders built meat reefers, and meat reefers were different from produce reefers. Details and car designs varied.
There is no one correct prototype or model. Vol 14 of the RP CYC had an article in General American 37' meat reefers, with lots of
photos of a specific builder's cars. Martin Loften wrote a wonderful article on Meat reefers first published by the NMRA in one of
their Symposium books, later published in a series in Mainline Modeler magazine. For HO models of wood sided 36'/37' meat reefers
we have the Mather reefer by Red Caboose, Sunshine's model, and the car by Atlas. And lest it be forgotten the old old Varney
model. The MDC 36' old timer has been used by many, I have a fleet of them, but it is not a meat reefer.

The Atlas model appears to be correct, for one prototype. Unfortunately they choose a car apparently used by only one company,
than decided it needed operating doors and ice hatches like it's larger O scale brethren. This lead to oversized hinges. I laid in
a stock of Grandt Line reefer hinges and intend to modify part of my Atlas reefer fleet by gluing the doors shut and adding new
hinges, 3 per side. Atlas offered the car in a variety of paint schemes, the schemes appear to be accurate, but none to my
knowledge were used on the Cudahy car, which is why I bought a bunch of undecs. We all would have been better served if Atlas had
chosen the General American car or another builder who supplied cars to many meat packer car fleets.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote:

...Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in
Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different
companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed
Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ
moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at
www.patrickcudahy.com

This is all well and good, but still doesn't tell us which company
owned the cars with the CRLX mark. The NMRA reprint of the January '53
ORER shows the mark assigned to Cudahy Packing Co. of Chicago, Ill.
This would be the operation that traces its roots to Omaha, and photos
of CRLX cars in the Hendrickson / Kaminski book on billboard reefers
shows these to be the cars with four door hinges.

The ORER does not seem to have a listing for either Cudahy Brouthers
or Patrick Cudahy Co., but the reefer book has a photo of NRC 2217
with the Patrick Cudahy trademark, and lettering to the effect that
the car was leased to Cudahy Brothers Co. Cudahy, WI., this makes
sense, as the Northern Refrigerator Car Line had started business as
the Milwaukee Refrigerator Car line, of Cudahy, WI. However, even this
reference confuses the Cudahy WI operation with the Cudahy Packing Co.
of Chicago, which I feel is incorrect. The Wikipedia page on the
Merchants Despatch Transportation Co. correctly attributes the
founding of NRC to "Milwaukee's Cudahy brothers." By 1953, NRC also
had its general offices in Chicago, adding to the confusion, but still
had an office in Milwaukee, WI

They were indeed two totally separate operations.

Dennis

Southern wood rack in S scale

Jim King
 

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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy!
 
     Did their cars have markings for specific locations with return to lettering.  Where could correct plans and colors be obtained? 

Thanks,
 
Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S

--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Douglas Harding <dharding@...> wrote:

From: Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cudahy meat reefers
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:05 PM






Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy
meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different
companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ
moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at www.patrickcudahy. com

From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks"
Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South Omaha, Neb.
1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City
1900 Kansas City
1906 Wichita, Kansas
1916 Salt Lake City
1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ
1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St. Paul)
1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the west coast)
1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ

Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into
chops, steaks, roasts, etc.
in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC, Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba;
In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops
Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me

Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at:
Washington Court House, Ohio
Sioux City, Ia
Evansville, Wis
Alma, Neb
Davenport, Ia
Fairmount, ND
Memphis, Tenn
Neosho, MO
New Ulm, Minn
Superior, Wis
Winfield, Ia
Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930

Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits. Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap
products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and provided additional revenue.

Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it has five columns, but I think you will be able to
figure it out.

Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931
Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch Cleanser Plants
State City City City City
AL Birmingham
AL Mobile
AL Montgomery
AR Little Rock
CA Los Angeles
CA Los Angeles
CA San Diego
CA Fresno
CA San Francisco
CT Bridgeport
CT New Haven
CT Waterbury
FL Jacksonville
FL Miami
FL Orlando
FL Pensacola
FL Tampa
GA Atlanta
GA Macon
GA Savannah
IA Sioux City
IA Clinton
IA Davenport
IA Sioux City
IA Winfield
IL Aurora
IL Bloomington
IL Elgin
IL Joliet
IL Peoria
IL Quincy
IL Rockford
IL So. Chicago
IL Springfield
IN Calumet (East Chicago)
KS Wichita
KS Topeka
KS Fredonia
KS Wichita
LA Alexandria
LA Monroe
LA New Orleans
LA Shreveport
MA Boston
MA Fall River
MA Holyoke
MA Lawrence
MA Lowell
MA Worcester
ME Portland
MI Detroit
MN St. Paul
MN Duluth
MN Minneapolis
MN Granite Falls
MN Wadena
MN New Ulm
MO Kansas City
MO Neosho
MS Vicksburg
ND Fairmont
NE Omaha
NE Alma
NE Omaha
NH Nashua
NJ Atlantic City
NJ Jersey City
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
OH Washington C.H.
OH Youngstown
PA Braddock
PA Charleroi
PA McKeesport
PA New Castle
PA Beaver Falls
PA Pittston
PA Scranton
PA Philadelphia
RI Providence
TN Memphis
TN Chattanooga
UT North Salt Lake
VA Norfolk
WI Fond Du Lac
Washington D.C.
Sydney, Australia
Toronto, Canada
Auckland, New Zealand
Havana, Cuba

Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr. org


















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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Sorry Tim, I don't know. The info I shared came from a 1930 Cudahy
"yearbook" I found at a University library. The listing is of Cudahy
owned facilities.

I have no knowledge of any other meat operations in New Hampshire. But
there were many local meat operations that did not fall under USDA (ie
federal) jurisdiction because they did not sell their products in
other states. They would have been under state regs. Here in Iowa we
call them "meal lockers" and they tend to cater to local farmers and
consumers.

But we are getting abit off topic. Suffice it to say that Cudahy
reefers from the Cudahy Packing Co. with CRLX reporting marks would be
seen in Nashua NH.

Doug Harding

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 12/6/2008 1:46:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
thompson@... writes:

Brian Carlson wrote:
OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy
was for the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car
Lines and were owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. These
cars often came east
on the NKP. Are there two separate Cudahy meat packing companies? The
emails make is sound like there were different corporations.
Brian, I'm no expert on the meat industry, but I believe there
WERE two separate Cudahy companies, one called Cudahy Brothers and
later Patrick Cudahy Inc., based in Wisconsin, the other called Cudahy
Packing, based in Omaha. Someone more knowledgeable than me about
details should chime in here and give us the whole story.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

SUVCWORR@...
 

Dave:

Would you kindly post your file in the group files? None of the columns
lined up the state and city were all in the first two columns.

Thanks.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:05:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dharding@... writes:

Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will
see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy
meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in
Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different
companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick
Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ
moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at
www.patrickcudahy.com

From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks"
Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South
Omaha, Neb.
1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City
1900 Kansas City
1906 Wichita, Kansas
1916 Salt Lake City
1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ
1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St.
Paul)
1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the
west coast)
1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ

Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where
carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into
chops, steaks, roasts, etc.
in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC,
Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba;
In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops
Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me

Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at:
Washington Court House, Ohio
Sioux City, Ia
Evansville, Wis
Alma, Neb
Davenport, Ia
Fairmount, ND
Memphis, Tenn
Neosho, MO
New Ulm, Minn
Superior, Wis
Winfield, Ia
Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930

Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits.
Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap
products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and
provided additional revenue.

Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it
has five columns, but I think you will be able to
figure it out.

Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931
Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch
Cleanser Plants
State City City City City
AL Birmingham
AL Mobile
AL Montgomery
AR Little Rock
CA Los Angeles
CA Los Angeles
CA San Diego
CA Fresno
CA San Francisco
CT Bridgeport
CT New Haven
CT Waterbury
FL Jacksonville
FL Miami
FL Orlando
FL Pensacola
FL Tampa
GA Atlanta
GA Macon
GA Savannah
IA Sioux City
IA Clinton
IA Davenport
IA Sioux City
IA Winfield
IL Aurora
IL Bloomington
IL Elgin
IL Joliet
IL Peoria
IL Quincy
IL Rockford
IL So. Chicago
IL Springfield
IN Calumet (East Chicago)
KS Wichita
KS Topeka
KS Fredonia
KS Wichita
LA Alexandria
LA Monroe
LA New Orleans
LA Shreveport
MA Boston
MA Fall River
MA Holyoke
MA Lawrence
MA Lowell
MA Worcester
ME Portland
MI Detroit
MN St. Paul
MN Duluth
MN Minneapolis
MN Granite Falls
MN Wadena
MN New Ulm
MO Kansas City
MO Neosho
MS Vicksburg
ND Fairmont
NE Omaha
NE Alma
NE Omaha
NH Nashua
NJ Atlantic City
NJ Jersey City
NJ Passaic
NJ Newark
NY Brooklyn
NY NYC
OH Washington C.H.
OH Youngstown
PA Braddock
PA Charleroi
PA McKeesport
PA New Castle
PA Beaver Falls
PA Pittston
PA Scranton
PA Philadelphia
RI Providence
TN Memphis
TN Chattanooga
UT North Salt Lake
VA Norfolk
WI Fond Du Lac
Washington D.C.
Sydney, Australia
Toronto, Canada
Auckland, New Zealand
Havana, Cuba

Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing co
mpanies.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Dave Nelson
 

Tok, so we have the history of Patrick Cudahy, now the other company --
Cudhay Packing of Omaha -- which has this history:

The Irish-born Cudahy brothers started working in the Milwaukee meat
business in the early 1860s; there they met Philip Armour, whom they
followed to Chicago during the 1870s. In the years that followed, the
Cudahys operated small packing plants in Chicago. In 1887, with Armour's
backing, Michael Cudahy and his brothers started an Armour-Cudahy packing
plant in Omaha, Nebraska. The Cudahy Packing Co. was created in 1890, when
Michael bought Armour's interest. Over the next 30 years, the company added
branches across the country, including a cleaning products plant at East
Chicago, Indiana, built in 1909. In 1911, the company's headquarters were
transferred from Omaha to Chicago. By the mid-1920s, Cudahy was one of the
nation's leading food companies, with over $200 million in annual sales and
13,000 employees around the country. Although it was hard hit by the Great
Depression, the company still employed about 1,000 Chicago-area residents
during the mid-1930s. Following World War II, the company moved its
headquarters first to Omaha and, in 1965, to Phoenix, where it took the name
Cudahy Co. During the 1970s, after it was purchased by General Host, Cudahy
was dismantled.
=====================

Now according to my copy of Moody's Industrial's, 1947 edition, the
Armour-Cudahy Packing Company purchased the Jersey City packing plants of
the Nagle Packing Co in 1919, opened large plants in St Paul MN in 1925, San
Diego in 1930, Denver in 1933, Albany GA in 1936. The also owned and
operated the Barry Machinery Co of Chicago, Dow Cheese (WI), Bissel Leather
(MA), The American Salt Company, location unk., and finally it lists the Old
Dutch Cleanser facilities in England and Australia.

Brand names of Puritan, Rex, Gold Coin, Sunlight, and Old Ducth Cleanser.

65 branch houses across the US and overseas.

More details: Slaughter Houses in South Side Omaha, Kansas City, Souix City,
Wichita, North Salt Lake, St Paul, San Diego, Denver, Albany GA.

Other important plants include East Chicao IN -- soap, cleanser, wool
pullery AND reefer construction and repair shops. Leewood TN, refine
vegetable oils; Toronto ON, cleanser; Lyons KS, salt mine. Produce
collection points at Washington Court House, OH, Victoria TX, Fairmount ND,
Neosho MO, New Ulm MN, Alma NE, Fond du Lac WI.

As of the August 1945, the company owns 975 reefers, has 150 more on order,
and 45 tankcars.
==============

So taking all that into consideration, IMO it's reasonable to assume one
might see cars owned by this company moving in and out of major urban
locations anywhere in the US.

There are some discreptencies with what Doug Harding posted. Nothing
significant... Just some variation, perhaps due to the dates of the sources.

Also, Moody's does not list the Patrick Cudahy Company... But that is
probably on account the that company had not sold bonds into the securities
markets.

Further, the 1940 ORER clearly connects the CRLX and COTX car marks with the
Cudahy Packing Company and cites East Chicago IN as the place to send repair
and destroyed notices, with GATX on record as handling interchange and
milage reports.

I think that should clear up a few questions.

Dave Nelson

The Shake N Take clinic 2nd update

Greg Martin
 

Here is the Second update:

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher challenge than those of the
past. In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we are going to
reduce the number of those that can actually participate as the kits are far
more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters
are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the
project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good
about keeping it quite. You know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the
suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard
Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as
rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project
will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the
ACCURAIL GN stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar version as
well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as a simplified version with
a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown
conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very interesting car
in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live
Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake
City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this
as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for the ACCURAIL "Scale"
coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical
data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo.

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted
than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in
non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch
on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Okay this is as of 4:00 PM PST Saturday December 6th, 2009. If you think
your name should have been here and it is not you might want to contact me
off-list at _TGREGMRTN@... (mailto:TGREGMRTN@...) .
I am in contact with Jon Cagle and he is willing to look at this as a
mini-conversion kit offering for the event.

Greg Martin



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Re: Southern wood rack in S scale

al.kresse
 

Some of these were sold to the C&O and repainted, and then some sold again and I believe that ended up in Wisc in the Fox River area servicing a particular paper mill. We can help with photo(s) in C&O livery if needed . . I think.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim King" <@SMMW>
Pulpwood racks are considered to be "fleet cars" since they ran in large
numbers between wood yards and paper mills. In the late 60s, it was common
to see Roman and Block font cars side by side.

To help S scale modelers build that fleet, I am now offering a 3-pack option
of the upcoming Southern Ry. 1951 "Spencer rebuild". Over 4100 of these
cars were built from DD, DS boxcars between 1951 and at least early 1953.
The unique 4/4 "reversed Dreadnaught" end is a real attention-getter. About
one-quarter of the fleet was still running in 1973, so having examples of
this ubiquitous car on your layout is logical, even if just for interchange
purposes or spotted at your local wood yard, since cars did travel off line.

You can now mix and match the paint schemes as desired within the 3-pack
option. This option is not listed on my web site (yet) but will be kit no.
64-W1-3, priced at $189 (10% off the individual retail prices) plus $10
shipping per order. If you order more than just this "package", you pay no
more shipping (in the Lower 48), so stock up on other kits in the product
line. They make great Christmas gifts!

To secure your cars, please send a 50% non-refundable deposit of your order
total. Contact me off-list if using a credit card. Target release date for
both cars is January, 2009.

Go to this link to view prototype photos of both paint schemes, descriptions
and single-kit pricing:
http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html

Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

PRR etched metal detail parts.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Some years ago I purchased some pretty fine etched metal Pennsy detail parts (Keystone, locomotive, trust plates, etc.) from a supplier that I believe was Schuykill Division. Does anyone know whether they are still in business, or more importantly, are their fine parts still available?

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

They were definitely two separate companies although genetically
connected back in the nineteenth century. When I did my pitch on NRC
last year, my opening slide
was called "Cudahy Confusion" to explain this before anyone raised
their hand

Roger Hinman

On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy
was for
the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car Lines and
were
owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. These cars often
came east
on the NKP.
Are there two separate Cudahy meat packing companies? The emails
make is
sound like there were different corporations.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cudahy meat reefers

But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to
the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat
business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other
Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).

Re: Lifelike Fowler CN

red_gate_rover
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

Jim---

Best suggestion that I have is to use it for a car body shed on the
ground. True Line Trains (Life-Like Canada's successor) has advertised
a re-make of this car, and the photos in their ad show it to be a very
nice model.

Good idea, but I model Maine two footers and this is supposed to help
me represent a standard gauge train in Farmington where there wasn't
such a shed. I knew about the plans for True Line to redo this car
and still hope it happens. However, the owner announced here a couple
of weeks ago that the project is on hold indefinitely due to errors in
the tooling and expenses mounting up. So I bought this on a whim,
not knowing that it didn't come with a frame. Live and learn. -Jim

Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 6, 2008, at 5:39 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:

Cudahy was also represented in the Boston area at least up
through WW II AFAIK. With that in mind I've had interest in the Atlas
36 ft. meat reefer. It is my understanding, and I'm looking for
correction on this, that the Atlas car was modeled after a Cudahy
prototype, particularly with the odd use of only four hinges for the
two halves of each door. Is this or is it not correct? Also, are
photos available for such cars in other than the "billboard" paint
offered by Atlas and, if so, are decals available. If what I'm
questioning is correct it is a shame that Atlas has offered that
model painted for just about every packing company that ever existed
but, apparently, few that any of us can use and be prototypically
correct as it is also my understanding that Cudahy was about the only
packer that used these oddball prototyes. I'd just like to have a
couple in a later Cudahy paint that is prototyically correct....















I'm always surprised (though perhaps I shouldn't be, by now) when a
lot of speculation and mis-information is posted on a subject which
is well documented. The responses to Don's query are a notable
example. 36" meat reefers with four hinges on each door were not at
all exclusive to Cudahy; large numbers of them were built in the
1920s (as well as 40' cars with the same door hinge arrangement) by
the Pressed Steel Car Co.'s Hegewich, IL plant. North American
Despatch owned many such cars and applied a variety of billboard P/L
schemes to them, and smaller numbers were owned by other leasing
companies (e.g., MDT). There are many photos of these cars in the
Billboard Refrigerator Car book by myself and Ed Kaminski that was
recently published by Signature Press. For the Cudahy cars, see pp.
39-40 and 180; for the NADX cars, see pp. 50-59. Other examples are
scattered elsewhere in the book. That's not to say that some of the
Atlas models aren't bogus - a bunch of them are - but some are
correct (except for the model's unfortunate shortcomings) and the
book shows many other examples that Atlas hasn't yet produced, but
could. This is yet another instance where what you want to know may
not be on the internet but is readily available elsewhere. The book
has been widely advertised and reviewed, and if you don't want to buy
it, then any library should be able to get a copy via interlibrary
loan. The day when every piece of information known to man can be
googled may be coming, but it ain't here yet.

Richard Hendrickson