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Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers

Donald B. Valentine
 

This subject may have been covered in the past so please excuse
me if I'm creating repetition because it has not been found.

Cudahy was also represented in the Boston area at least up
through WW II AFAIK. With that in mind I've had interest in the Atlas
36 ft. meat reefer. It is my understanding, and I'm looking for
correction on this, that the Atlas car was modeled after a Cudahy
prototype, particularly with the odd use of only four hinges for the
two halves of each door. Is this or is it not correct? Also, are
photos available for such cars in other than the "billboard" paint
offered by Atlas and, if so, are decals available. If what I'm
questioning is correct it is a shame that Atlas has offered that
model painted for just about every packing company that ever existed
but, apparently, few that any of us can use and be prototypically
correct as it is also my understanding that Cudahy was about the only
packer that used these oddball prototyes. I'd just like to have a
couple in a later Cudahy paint that is prototyically correct, if that
is possible.

Thanks for anything anyone can offer to bring me up to speed on
this.

Don Valentine




--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented
to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Bill Kelly
 

I found the following:
http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-founder.html
Also look at:
http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-history.html
These help to sort things out.

Later,
Bill Kelly


Tony wrote

WERE two separate Cudahy companies, one called Cudahy Brothers and
later Patrick Cudahy Inc., based in Wisconsin, the other called
Cudahy
Packing, based in Omaha. Someone more knowledgeable than me about
details should chime in here and give us the whole story.
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Ray Breyer
 

Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:
>>OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy
>>was for the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car
>>Lines and were owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin.
>>These cars often came east on the NKP. Are there two separate Cudahy
>>meat packing companies? The emails make is sound like there were
>>different corporations.


Hi Brian,

Remember, just because a company is "based in" a certain state doesn't mean that it's restricted to ONLY that state. Cudahy had processing plants of various sizes all over the country. On the NKP's Peoria Division there's a Cudahy plant in Bloomington, IL. It received dressed hog sides (in CRLX reefers) and shipped bacon and margarine (in CRLX reefers). My meat reefer fleet has a disproportionate number of Cudahy reefers in it because of that one plant, although I believe Cudahy also had a sausage processing plant in Peoria (next to the stockyards on the Rock Island)

Regards,

Ray Breyer

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy was for the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car Lines and were owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. These cars often came east
on the NKP. Are there two separate Cudahy meat packing companies? The emails make is sound like there were different corporations.
Brian, I'm no expert on the meat industry, but I believe there WERE two separate Cudahy companies, one called Cudahy Brothers and later Patrick Cudahy Inc., based in Wisconsin, the other called Cudahy Packing, based in Omaha. Someone more knowledgeable than me about details should chime in here and give us the whole story.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy was for
the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car Lines and were
owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. These cars often came east
on the NKP.
Are there two separate Cudahy meat packing companies? The emails make is
sound like there were different corporations.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cudahy meat reefers


But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to
the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat
business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other
Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).

Lifelike Fowler CN

red_gate_rover
 

In an impulse purchase I picked up a LifeLike Canada Fowler boxcar. It
came without the underframe and trucks. What underframe could I use
and whose trucks would be right? Also the shell is painted and
lettered for CN but has no data. Who sells data and other markings for
this car and what resource do I need to know where things should go?
I model 1929. As always, thank you. -Jim

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Thomas Baker
 

But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to
the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat
business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other
Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).



Now I am confused: I can recall seeing Cudahy meat cars on Chicago Great Western freight trains coming through Marshalltown, Iowa, and headed toward Oelwein, Iowa, the great CGW hub. I have no idea where those cars were headed, and I never suspected they were would be headed west to Utah and California, but I suppose it's a possiblity. Did the Patrick Cudahy outfit lease meat cars, too? If so how were its cars different in appearance from those of the California outfit?

Tom

Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Andy Miller showed me a trick of sorts: he has a palette knife, which is even thinner than a razor
blade, and it can be used in very tight joints to push on tabs like you're dealing with there.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Paul Hillman
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Hello Bill,

I tried a little, mild, X-Acto knifing between the roof & upper car-body, but it doesn't try to
separate very easily. The
ends keep stuck down. Don't want to gouge the plastic with the knife. Tried various pushing &
pulling techniques, but no
success.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: bill Vaughn<mailto:@atsfmodelr <mailto:atsfmodlr%40yahoo.com> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC@...
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Just be careful the roof will lift off. It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.

Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...
<mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com>
<mailto:chris_hillman@... <mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com> >> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@... <mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com>
<mailto:chris_hillman@... <mailto:chris_hillman%40msn.com> >>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman







Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Paul Hillman
 

Hello Bill,

I tried a little, mild, X-Acto knifing between the roof & upper car-body, but it doesn't try to separate very easily. The ends keep stuck down. Don't want to gouge the plastic with the knife. Tried various pushing & pulling techniques, but no success.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: bill Vaughn<mailto:@atsfmodelr>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors


Just be careful the roof will lift off. It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.

Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...<mailto:chris_hillman@...>> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...<mailto:chris_hillman@...>>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Richard Hendrickson
 

Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented), put me down on your list. Fortunately,
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Bill Vaughn
 

Just be careful the roof will lift off.  It has 3 tabs per side holding it in place.
 
Bill

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:

From: Paul & Bernice Hillman <chris_hillman@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:41 PM






I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose Interiors

Paul Hillman
 

I just received Walthers ATSF 1300 Series Caboose (2 pack).

Anyone know how get into the interior of the car? Walthers instructions
don't mention how.

The roof tries to lift up in the middle but is held down somehow at the
ends. I see no screws for this.

How do you get in there to view the interior and/or add lighting, etc.?

Don't want to mutilate anything trying to find out how.

I have the SFHS Warbonnet, 3rd Quarter 2005 issue coming that has an
article by Matt Zebrowski about "fine tuning" this kit. Maybe he
explains how in there, but that might take another week or 2 to get.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Aley, Jeff A
 

All,

If you want to sign up for the Shake-N-Take, please send an email to Greg Martin (tgregmrtn at aol dot com ). He will be the keeper of The List (whether he realizes it or not! :) )

We look forward to seeing you at Prototype Rails 2009 in Cocoa Beach, FL (Jan 8-11, 2009). See http://www.prototyperails.com<http://www.prototyperails.com/> for more details.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Clinic Chairman,
Prototype Rails 2009

________________________________
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of tgregmrtn@...
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:12 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] The Shake N Take clinic

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You?know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN?stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar?version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as?a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very?interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for?the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. ??

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.)
11.)
13.)
14.)
15.)
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson?for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided?additional pieces to the puzzle and his help was greatly appreciated.
?
Greg Martin

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

George Walls wrote:
Cudahy Packing Co home offices were in South Omaha, NE.
But remember there was also a Patrick Cudahy, Inc. (successor to the Cudahy Brothers company) located in Wisconsin, also in the meat business. Nearby today is the town of Cudahy, Wisconsin (those other Cudahy people gave rise to the town of Cudahy, California).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: The Shake N Take clinic

Greg Martin
 

Richard wrote:




"Well, Greg, since you are finally doing a car I can use (i.e., not
'50s and not PRR-oriented)'50s and not PRR-oriented)<WBR>, put me down
I'm not scheduled to be doing a clinic at that time.

Richard Hendrickson"

Richard,
I am glad your going to make it. Without you little boot with the photos I
would have never been sure this would work.
Everyone should realize these cars were on the system well beyond Richards
cut off date of 1947 and well into my era of 1957 on the PRR. This will be a
memorable kit to build and we will touch on a couple other cars that I am
working on collecting data for that I will present as modeling articles as well
in the future.
Greg Martin





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Re: The Shake N Take clinic 1st update

Greg Martin
 

Here is the first update:




Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher challenge than those of the
past. In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we are going to
reduce the number of those that can actually participate as the kits are far
more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters
are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the
project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good
about keeping it quite. You know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the
suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard
Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as
rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project
will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the
ACCURAIL GN stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar version as
well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as a simplified version
with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown
conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very interesting car
in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live
Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt
Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to
this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for the ACCURAIL "Scale"
coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical
data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo.

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted
than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in
non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch
on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson Again, I want to thank Richard
Hendrickson <WBR>for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his
initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided additional
pieces to

Greg Martin

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The Shake N Take clinic

Greg Martin
 

Guys,

On November 17th I wrote:

"This years project will be a bit of a tougher?challenge than those of the past.?In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we?are going to reduce the?number of those?that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past."

Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You?know who you are.

The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN?stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar?version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as?a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very?interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles.

Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for?the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. ??

Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.)
11.)
13.)
14.)
15.)
16.)
17.)
18.)
19.)
20.)
21.)
22.)
23.)
24.)
25.)
26.)
27.)

Again, I want to thank Richard Hendrickson?for the encouragement to push forward on this project, his initial photos made it all come together and Jeff Alley provided?additional pieces to the puzzle and his help was greatly appreciated.
?
Greg Martin

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

ATSF1226
 

Brian,
Cudahy Packing Co home offices were in South Omaha, NE. Had a plant in
Phoenix, AZ in the time frame you are refering too. Plant was served by
SP trains. I believe Cudahy took over the old Tovrea meat packing co.

George A Walls

I have Sunshine's kit #24.17 for a Cudahy 36' meat reefer. The
Prototype Data Sheet states "Cudahy Packing was a packer oriented to
the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
prove this. Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Dave Nelson
 

John Hile wrote:

In the late 20's Cudahy is listed as having packing facilities in:
Fresno, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Bernardino, and San Francisco per
an ATSF Shipper's guide of the era.
In the steam era Cudahy's main slaughterhouse was in Salt Lake City and they
shipped beef and lamb sides to the west coast where the packing facilities
cut them up for deliveries to the local retail market. IIRC they also had
something in Denver but at this moment I do not recall if it was just
another packing house or a full slaughterhouse operation.

The Oakland packing house, and I think the one in San Francisco too, had
rail service provided by the WP.

Dave Nelson

Re: Cudahy meat reefers

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if these cars showed up in northern
California on the Southern Pacific or in Washington State on the
Northern Pacific, especially in the late 1940s?





Brian,

I have been slowly gathering info on the West Coast for modeling my
freight car fleet. Here's what I can add regarding Cudahy...

In the late 20's Cudahy is listed as having packing facilities in:
Fresno, Los Angeles, Oakland, San Bernardino, and San Francisco per an
ATSF Shipper's guide of the era.

Also, if you Google "chown pella cudahy portland" you will get to some
pics of a building that (according to the web sites) was used by
Cudahy in that city. When...I'm not sure.


John Hile
Blacksburg, VA