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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
They were definitely two separate companies although genetically
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connected back in the nineteenth century. When I did my pitch on NRC last year, my opening slide was called "Cudahy Confusion" to explain this before anyone raised their hand Roger Hinman
On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Brian J Carlson wrote:
OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for Cudahy
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PRR etched metal detail parts.
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
Some years ago I purchased some pretty fine etched metal Pennsy detail parts (Keystone, locomotive, trust plates, etc.) from a supplier that I believe was Schuykill Division. Does anyone know whether they are still in business, or more importantly, are their fine parts still available?
Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento
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Re: Southern wood rack in S scale
water.kresse@...
Some of these were sold to the C&O and repainted, and then some sold again and I believe that ended up in Wisc in the Fox River area servicing a particular paper mill. We can help with photo(s) in C&O livery if needed . . I think.
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Al Kresse
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From: "Jim King" <jimking3@charter.net> Pulpwood racks are considered to be "fleet cars" since they ran in large numbers between wood yards and paper mills. In the late 60s, it was common to see Roman and Block font cars side by side. To help S scale modelers build that fleet, I am now offering a 3-pack option of the upcoming Southern Ry. 1951 "Spencer rebuild". Over 4100 of these cars were built from DD, DS boxcars between 1951 and at least early 1953. The unique 4/4 "reversed Dreadnaught" end is a real attention-getter. About one-quarter of the fleet was still running in 1973, so having examples of this ubiquitous car on your layout is logical, even if just for interchange purposes or spotted at your local wood yard, since cars did travel off line. You can now mix and match the paint schemes as desired within the 3-pack option. This option is not listed on my web site (yet) but will be kit no. 64-W1-3, priced at $189 (10% off the individual retail prices) plus $10 shipping per order. If you order more than just this "package", you pay no more shipping (in the Lower 48), so stock up on other kits in the product line. They make great Christmas gifts! To secure your cars, please send a 50% non-refundable deposit of your order total. Contact me off-list if using a credit card. Target release date for both cars is January, 2009. Go to this link to view prototype photos of both paint schemes, descriptions and single-kit pricing: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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The Shake N Take clinic 2nd update
Greg Martin
Here is the Second update:
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Guys,
On November 17th I wrote:
"This years project will be a bit of a tougher challenge than those of the past. In order to keep this a bit more manageable this year we are going to reduce the number of those that can actually participate as the kits are far more limited than in the past." Now that the project we've selected is underway on my end, my resin masters are off to the producer, I am willing to let you all know the scope of the project. Some from this list have been aware of the subject and have been good about keeping it quite. You know who you are. The Project was kicked around longer than normal this year and the suggestion was offered by Jim Singer the feasibility was reviewed by our own Richard Hendrickson prior. It will be the Union Pacific RR S-40-10/11 stock car as rebuilt from the B-50-11 and A-50-4 in the mid and late 1930s. So the project will offer some interesting variations. The car will be converted from the ACCURAIL GN stock car. There will be resin ends for both the boxcar version as well as the Auto Boxcar version. I will present it as a simplified version with a very basic conversion (The Streamliner Version) or the full blown conversion with the (The Challenger Version)?new ends. It is as very interesting car in that the car not only served in general service but in DLS (daylight Live Stock service) as well. The Live Stock Service car was restricted to Salt Lake City service (we'll offer and interesting twist for the PRR Modeler to this as well) to Los Angeles. Dr. Denny Anspach will be working up a?presentation for the ACCURAIL "Scale" coupler for the conversion as well. John Greedy has worked up a historical data?handout for the?car type as well, with a good photo. Let me remind you all that this years clinic will be far more restricted than in years past so when this list is full we'll leave room for a few walk-in non- Internet connected modelers at the door. Our clinic is just before lunch on Friday the 9th and will not be repeated. Here's the current list" 1.) Armend Premo 2.) Dr. Denny Anspach 3.) Tony Thompson 4.) Mont Switzer 5.) Schuyler Larrabee 6.) John Greedy 7.) William Bell 8.) Jeff Alley 9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes) 10.) Gary Laakso 11.) Roger Hinman 13.) Richard Hendrickson 14.) Paul Lyons 15.) Bruce Smith 16.) Brian Carlson 17.) Jerry Glow 18.) John G Wheeler 19.) Dick Berry 20.) Lindsay Raley 21.) John Golden 22.) 23.) 24.) 25.) 26.) 27.) Okay this is as of 4:00 PM PST Saturday December 6th, 2009. If you think your name should have been here and it is not you might want to contact me off-list at _TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM_ (mailto:TGREGMRTN@AOL.COM) . I am in contact with Jon Cagle and he is willing to look at this as a mini-conversion kit offering for the event. Greg Martin . **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012)
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Dave Nelson
Tok, so we have the history of Patrick Cudahy, now the other company --
Cudhay Packing of Omaha -- which has this history: The Irish-born Cudahy brothers started working in the Milwaukee meat business in the early 1860s; there they met Philip Armour, whom they followed to Chicago during the 1870s. In the years that followed, the Cudahys operated small packing plants in Chicago. In 1887, with Armour's backing, Michael Cudahy and his brothers started an Armour-Cudahy packing plant in Omaha, Nebraska. The Cudahy Packing Co. was created in 1890, when Michael bought Armour's interest. Over the next 30 years, the company added branches across the country, including a cleaning products plant at East Chicago, Indiana, built in 1909. In 1911, the company's headquarters were transferred from Omaha to Chicago. By the mid-1920s, Cudahy was one of the nation's leading food companies, with over $200 million in annual sales and 13,000 employees around the country. Although it was hard hit by the Great Depression, the company still employed about 1,000 Chicago-area residents during the mid-1930s. Following World War II, the company moved its headquarters first to Omaha and, in 1965, to Phoenix, where it took the name Cudahy Co. During the 1970s, after it was purchased by General Host, Cudahy was dismantled. ===================== Now according to my copy of Moody's Industrial's, 1947 edition, the Armour-Cudahy Packing Company purchased the Jersey City packing plants of the Nagle Packing Co in 1919, opened large plants in St Paul MN in 1925, San Diego in 1930, Denver in 1933, Albany GA in 1936. The also owned and operated the Barry Machinery Co of Chicago, Dow Cheese (WI), Bissel Leather (MA), The American Salt Company, location unk., and finally it lists the Old Dutch Cleanser facilities in England and Australia. Brand names of Puritan, Rex, Gold Coin, Sunlight, and Old Ducth Cleanser. 65 branch houses across the US and overseas. More details: Slaughter Houses in South Side Omaha, Kansas City, Souix City, Wichita, North Salt Lake, St Paul, San Diego, Denver, Albany GA. Other important plants include East Chicao IN -- soap, cleanser, wool pullery AND reefer construction and repair shops. Leewood TN, refine vegetable oils; Toronto ON, cleanser; Lyons KS, salt mine. Produce collection points at Washington Court House, OH, Victoria TX, Fairmount ND, Neosho MO, New Ulm MN, Alma NE, Fond du Lac WI. As of the August 1945, the company owns 975 reefers, has 150 more on order, and 45 tankcars. ============== So taking all that into consideration, IMO it's reasonable to assume one might see cars owned by this company moving in and out of major urban locations anywhere in the US. There are some discreptencies with what Doug Harding posted. Nothing significant... Just some variation, perhaps due to the dates of the sources. Also, Moody's does not list the Patrick Cudahy Company... But that is probably on account the that company had not sold bonds into the securities markets. Further, the 1940 ORER clearly connects the CRLX and COTX car marks with the Cudahy Packing Company and cites East Chicago IN as the place to send repair and destroyed notices, with GATX on record as handling interchange and milage reports. I think that should clear up a few questions. Dave Nelson
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
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Would you kindly post your file in the group files? None of the columns lined up the state and city were all in the first two columns. Thanks. Rich Orr
In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:05:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dharding@nethtc.net writes: Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at www.patrickcudahy.com From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks" Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South Omaha, Neb. 1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City 1900 Kansas City 1906 Wichita, Kansas 1916 Salt Lake City 1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ 1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St. Paul) 1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the west coast) 1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into chops, steaks, roasts, etc. in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC, Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba; In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at: Washington Court House, Ohio Sioux City, Ia Evansville, Wis Alma, Neb Davenport, Ia Fairmount, ND Memphis, Tenn Neosho, MO New Ulm, Minn Superior, Wis Winfield, Ia Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930 Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits. Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and provided additional revenue. Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it has five columns, but I think you will be able to figure it out. Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931 Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch Cleanser Plants State City City City City AL Birmingham AL Mobile AL Montgomery AR Little Rock CA Los Angeles CA Los Angeles CA San Diego CA Fresno CA San Francisco CT Bridgeport CT New Haven CT Waterbury FL Jacksonville FL Miami FL Orlando FL Pensacola FL Tampa GA Atlanta GA Macon GA Savannah IA Sioux City IA Clinton IA Davenport IA Sioux City IA Winfield IL Aurora IL Bloomington IL Elgin IL Joliet IL Peoria IL Quincy IL Rockford IL So. Chicago IL Springfield IN Calumet (East Chicago) KS Wichita KS Topeka KS Fredonia KS Wichita LA Alexandria LA Monroe LA New Orleans LA Shreveport MA Boston MA Fall River MA Holyoke MA Lawrence MA Lowell MA Worcester ME Portland MI Detroit MN St. Paul MN Duluth MN Minneapolis MN Granite Falls MN Wadena MN New Ulm MO Kansas City MO Neosho MS Vicksburg ND Fairmont NE Omaha NE Alma NE Omaha NH Nashua NJ Atlantic City NJ Jersey City NJ Passaic NJ Newark NY Brooklyn NY NYC OH Washington C.H. OH Youngstown PA Braddock PA Charleroi PA McKeesport PA New Castle PA Beaver Falls PA Pittston PA Scranton PA Philadelphia RI Providence TN Memphis TN Chattanooga UT North Salt Lake VA Norfolk WI Fond Du Lac Washington D.C. Sydney, Australia Toronto, Canada Auckland, New Zealand Havana, Cuba Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing co mpanies. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
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For a partial history of the Cudahy companies see
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_http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-founder.html_ (http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-founder.html) Rich Orr (http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-founder.html+cudahy+packing&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&ie=UTF-8)
In a message dated 12/6/2008 1:46:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
thompson@signaturepress.com writes: Brian Carlson wrote: OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for CudahyBrian, I'm no expert on the meat industry, but I believe there WERE two separate Cudahy companies, one called Cudahy Brothers and later Patrick Cudahy Inc., based in Wisconsin, the other called Cudahy Packing, based in Omaha. Someone more knowledgeable than me about details should chime in here and give us the whole story. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Sorry Tim, I don't know. The info I shared came from a 1930 Cudahy
"yearbook" I found at a University library. The listing is of Cudahy owned facilities. I have no knowledge of any other meat operations in New Hampshire. But there were many local meat operations that did not fall under USDA (ie federal) jurisdiction because they did not sell their products in other states. They would have been under state regs. Here in Iowa we call them "meal lockers" and they tend to cater to local farmers and consumers. But we are getting abit off topic. Suffice it to say that Cudahy reefers from the Cudahy Packing Co. with CRLX reporting marks would be seen in Nashua NH. Doug Harding
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Bob McCarthy
Howdy!
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Did their cars have markings for specific locations with return to lettering. Where could correct plans and colors be obtained? Thanks, Bob McCarthy Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S
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From: Douglas Harding <dharding@nethtc.net> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cudahy meat reefers To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:05 PM Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at www.patrickcudahy. com From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks" Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South Omaha, Neb. 1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City 1900 Kansas City 1906 Wichita, Kansas 1916 Salt Lake City 1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ 1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St. Paul) 1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the west coast) 1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into chops, steaks, roasts, etc. in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC, Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba; In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at: Washington Court House, Ohio Sioux City, Ia Evansville, Wis Alma, Neb Davenport, Ia Fairmount, ND Memphis, Tenn Neosho, MO New Ulm, Minn Superior, Wis Winfield, Ia Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930 Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits. Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and provided additional revenue. Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it has five columns, but I think you will be able to figure it out. Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931 Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch Cleanser Plants State City City City City AL Birmingham AL Mobile AL Montgomery AR Little Rock CA Los Angeles CA Los Angeles CA San Diego CA Fresno CA San Francisco CT Bridgeport CT New Haven CT Waterbury FL Jacksonville FL Miami FL Orlando FL Pensacola FL Tampa GA Atlanta GA Macon GA Savannah IA Sioux City IA Clinton IA Davenport IA Sioux City IA Winfield IL Aurora IL Bloomington IL Elgin IL Joliet IL Peoria IL Quincy IL Rockford IL So. Chicago IL Springfield IN Calumet (East Chicago) KS Wichita KS Topeka KS Fredonia KS Wichita LA Alexandria LA Monroe LA New Orleans LA Shreveport MA Boston MA Fall River MA Holyoke MA Lawrence MA Lowell MA Worcester ME Portland MI Detroit MN St. Paul MN Duluth MN Minneapolis MN Granite Falls MN Wadena MN New Ulm MO Kansas City MO Neosho MS Vicksburg ND Fairmont NE Omaha NE Alma NE Omaha NH Nashua NJ Atlantic City NJ Jersey City NJ Passaic NJ Newark NY Brooklyn NY NYC OH Washington C.H. OH Youngstown PA Braddock PA Charleroi PA McKeesport PA New Castle PA Beaver Falls PA Pittston PA Scranton PA Philadelphia RI Providence TN Memphis TN Chattanooga UT North Salt Lake VA Norfolk WI Fond Du Lac Washington D.C. Sydney, Australia Toronto, Canada Auckland, New Zealand Havana, Cuba Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr. org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Southern wood rack in S scale
Jim King
Pulpwood racks are considered to be "fleet cars" since they ran in large
numbers between wood yards and paper mills. In the late 60s, it was common to see Roman and Block font cars side by side. To help S scale modelers build that fleet, I am now offering a 3-pack option of the upcoming Southern Ry. 1951 "Spencer rebuild". Over 4100 of these cars were built from DD, DS boxcars between 1951 and at least early 1953. The unique 4/4 "reversed Dreadnaught" end is a real attention-getter. About one-quarter of the fleet was still running in 1973, so having examples of this ubiquitous car on your layout is logical, even if just for interchange purposes or spotted at your local wood yard, since cars did travel off line. You can now mix and match the paint schemes as desired within the 3-pack option. This option is not listed on my web site (yet) but will be kit no. 64-W1-3, priced at $189 (10% off the individual retail prices) plus $10 shipping per order. If you order more than just this "package", you pay no more shipping (in the Lower 48), so stock up on other kits in the product line. They make great Christmas gifts! To secure your cars, please send a 50% non-refundable deposit of your order total. Contact me off-list if using a credit card. Target release date for both cars is January, 2009. Go to this link to view prototype photos of both paint schemes, descriptions and single-kit pricing: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/soupulpwood.html Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote:
Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamedPatrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found atwww.patrickcudahy.com This is all well and good, but still doesn't tell us which company owned the cars with the CRLX mark. The NMRA reprint of the January '53 ORER shows the mark assigned to Cudahy Packing Co. of Chicago, Ill. This would be the operation that traces its roots to Omaha, and photos of CRLX cars in the Hendrickson / Kaminski book on billboard reefers shows these to be the cars with four door hinges. The ORER does not seem to have a listing for either Cudahy Brouthers or Patrick Cudahy Co., but the reefer book has a photo of NRC 2217 with the Patrick Cudahy trademark, and lettering to the effect that the car was leased to Cudahy Brothers Co. Cudahy, WI., this makes sense, as the Northern Refrigerator Car Line had started business as the Milwaukee Refrigerator Car line, of Cudahy, WI. However, even this reference confuses the Cudahy WI operation with the Cudahy Packing Co. of Chicago, which I feel is incorrect. The Wikipedia page on the Merchants Despatch Transportation Co. correctly attributes the founding of NRC to "Milwaukee's Cudahy brothers." By 1953, NRC also had its general offices in Chicago, adding to the confusion, but still had an office in Milwaukee, WI They were indeed two totally separate operations. Dennis
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Don, regarding the Atlas reefer, a search of the group archives will show considerable discussion of the model when it first came
out. Atlas claims the model is based upon a Cudahy car built in 1925. At the time many questioned how prototypical was the car as photos were not known. I since found one photo of a Cudahy car, CRLX 5557, which appears to match the Atlas model. That photo is in the Billboard Reefer book, and while built in 1928, it appears to match the Atlas model, right down to the four hinges. The car is lettered to be returned to E Chicago IND (ie Calumet, home of the Cudahy Packing Co. car shops). Richard Hendrickson may have more to offer. Four hinges were not as odd as we think, they were found on many reefers, esp in early years. Manufactures moved to the six hinge design because it added security that a door would remain in place if a hinge broke or failed, ie screws pulled out of rotted wood, enroute. A number of builders built meat reefers, and meat reefers were different from produce reefers. Details and car designs varied. There is no one correct prototype or model. Vol 14 of the RP CYC had an article in General American 37' meat reefers, with lots of photos of a specific builder's cars. Martin Loften wrote a wonderful article on Meat reefers first published by the NMRA in one of their Symposium books, later published in a series in Mainline Modeler magazine. For HO models of wood sided 36'/37' meat reefers we have the Mather reefer by Red Caboose, Sunshine's model, and the car by Atlas. And lest it be forgotten the old old Varney model. The MDC 36' old timer has been used by many, I have a fleet of them, but it is not a meat reefer. The Atlas model appears to be correct, for one prototype. Unfortunately they choose a car apparently used by only one company, than decided it needed operating doors and ice hatches like it's larger O scale brethren. This lead to oversized hinges. I laid in a stock of Grandt Line reefer hinges and intend to modify part of my Atlas reefer fleet by gluing the doors shut and adding new hinges, 3 per side. Atlas offered the car in a variety of paint schemes, the schemes appear to be accurate, but none to my knowledge were used on the Cudahy car, which is why I bought a bunch of undecs. We all would have been better served if Atlas had chosen the General American car or another builder who supplied cars to many meat packer car fleets. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Doug, on an old club layout we modeled a "branch house"
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Opps, just looked at my posting on the website, to discover Yahoo removed the tabs, so it is impossible to tell which locations
were slaughter vs branch, vs produce, vs cleanser. So lets try again: Packing Plants/Slaughter houses CA Los Angeles CA San Diego IA Sioux City KS Wichita MI Detroit MN St. Paul MO Kansas City NE Omaha NJ Jersey City, UT North Salt Lake Branch Houses AL Birmingham AL Mobile AL Montgomery AR Little Rock CA Fresno CA San Francisco CT Bridgeport CT New Haven CT Waterbury FL Jacksonville FL Miami FL Orlando FL Pensacola FL Tampa GA Atlanta GA Macon GA Savannah IA Clinton IL Aurora IL Bloomington IL Elgin IL Joliet IL Peoria IL Quincy IL Rockford IL So. Chicago IL Springfield KS Topeka LA Alexandria LA Monroe LA New Orleans LA Shreveport MA Boston MA Fall River MA Holyoke MA Lawrence MA Lowell MA Worcester ME Portland MN Duluth MN Minneapolis MS Vicksburg NH Nashua NJ Atlantic City NJ Passaic NJ Newark NY Brooklyn NY NYC NJ Passaic NJ Newark NY Brooklyn NY NYC OH Youngstown PA Braddock PA Charleroi PA McKeesport PA New Castle PA Beaver Falls PA Pittston PA Scranton PA Philadelphia RI Providence TN Memphis TN Chattanooga VA Norfolk Washington D.C. Produce Plants IA Davenport IA Sioux City IA Winfield KS Fredonia KS Wichita MN Granite Falls MN Wadena MN New Ulm MO Neosho ND Fairmont NE Alma OH Washington C.H. WI Fond Du Lac Old Dutch Cleanser Plants CA Los Angeles IN Calumet (East Chicago) NE Omaha Sydney, Australia Toronto, Canada Auckland, New Zealand Havana, Cuba Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
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were large slaughterhouse operations in the midwest, and that whole sides of beef (& pork?) were shipped to company "butcher-houses" in urban areas in the east, south, west, etc. So why shouldn't Cudahy reefers from Wisconsin or Iowa be sent to California? Tim O'Connor
Now I am confused: I can recall seeing Cudahy meat cars on Chicago Great Western freight trains coming through Marshalltown, Iowa, and headed toward Oelwein, Iowa, the great CGW hub. I have no idea where those cars were headed, and I never suspected they were would be headed west to Utah and California, but I suppose it's a possiblity. Did the Patrick Cudahy outfit lease meat cars, too? If so how were its cars different in appearance from those of the California outfit?
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Sorry, I get the digest version, so am always 24 hours behind ... but I will see what I can add to the discussion about the Cudahy
meat company. Most of what I have is for the Cudahy Packing Co, based in Omaha/Chicago. However there were two different companies, one based in Wisconsin (Cudahy Brothers later renamed Patrick Cudahy) and the Cudahy Co. (started in Omaha, later HQ moved to Chicago). A history of Patrick Cudahy can be found at www.patrickcudahy.com From Cudahy Packing Co. "yearbooks" Started in 1890 by Michael & Edward Cudahy, first packing plant in South Omaha, Neb. 1892 added packing plants in Los Angeles & Sioux City 1900 Kansas City 1906 Wichita, Kansas 1916 Salt Lake City 1919 purchased Nagle Packing Co of Detroit MI and Jersey City NJ 1925 purchased former Farmer's Terminal Packing Co at Newport MN (near St. Paul) 1930 Charles S. Hardy plant at San Diego acquired (one of the oldest on the west coast) 1947 Purchased Tovrea Packing in Phoenix, AZ Branch houses, different from produce stations, were warehouses where carcasses where shipped, then stored and processed into chops, steaks, roasts, etc. in 1926 Open branch houses in: St. Petersburg & Orlando Fla,; Washington DC, Norfolk VA; Atlanta GA; Georgia and Havana, Cuba; In 1928 100 new reefers built in Cudahy's Calumet Ind shops Branch Houses added in 1930: Passaic NJ (rebuilt), Sioux City Ia, Portland Me Produce (eggs & diary) Stations at: Washington Court House, Ohio Sioux City, Ia Evansville, Wis Alma, Neb Davenport, Ia Fairmount, ND Memphis, Tenn Neosho, MO New Ulm, Minn Superior, Wis Winfield, Ia Granite Falls, Minn added in 1930 Cudahy was also famous for Old Dutch Cleanser: made from volcanic deposits. Most meat packers were involved with cleaners and soap products, they were part of the by-products industry for meat packers and provided additional revenue. Here is information from a Spreadsheet I keep, sorry about the spacing, it has five columns, but I think you will be able to figure it out. Cudahy Packing Co., Chicago ILL 1931 Packing Plants (10) Branch Houses (78) Produce Plants Old Dutch Cleanser Plants State City City City City AL Birmingham AL Mobile AL Montgomery AR Little Rock CA Los Angeles CA Los Angeles CA San Diego CA Fresno CA San Francisco CT Bridgeport CT New Haven CT Waterbury FL Jacksonville FL Miami FL Orlando FL Pensacola FL Tampa GA Atlanta GA Macon GA Savannah IA Sioux City IA Clinton IA Davenport IA Sioux City IA Winfield IL Aurora IL Bloomington IL Elgin IL Joliet IL Peoria IL Quincy IL Rockford IL So. Chicago IL Springfield IN Calumet (East Chicago) KS Wichita KS Topeka KS Fredonia KS Wichita LA Alexandria LA Monroe LA New Orleans LA Shreveport MA Boston MA Fall River MA Holyoke MA Lawrence MA Lowell MA Worcester ME Portland MI Detroit MN St. Paul MN Duluth MN Minneapolis MN Granite Falls MN Wadena MN New Ulm MO Kansas City MO Neosho MS Vicksburg ND Fairmont NE Omaha NE Alma NE Omaha NH Nashua NJ Atlantic City NJ Jersey City NJ Passaic NJ Newark NY Brooklyn NY NYC OH Washington C.H. OH Youngstown PA Braddock PA Charleroi PA McKeesport PA New Castle PA Beaver Falls PA Pittston PA Scranton PA Philadelphia RI Providence TN Memphis TN Chattanooga UT North Salt Lake VA Norfolk WI Fond Du Lac Washington D.C. Sydney, Australia Toronto, Canada Auckland, New Zealand Havana, Cuba Hope this answers a few of the questions about the Cudahy meat packing companies. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Lifelike Fowler CN
Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
Jim---
Best suggestion that I have is to use it for a car body shed on the ground. True Line Trains (Life-Like Canada's successor) has advertised a re-make of this car, and the photos in their ad show it to be a very nice model. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "red_gate_rover" <red_gate_rover@...> wrote:
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Re: The Atlas model of Cudahy meat reefers
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
This subject may have been covered in the past so please excuse
me if I'm creating repetition because it has not been found. Cudahy was also represented in the Boston area at least up through WW II AFAIK. With that in mind I've had interest in the Atlas 36 ft. meat reefer. It is my understanding, and I'm looking for correction on this, that the Atlas car was modeled after a Cudahy prototype, particularly with the odd use of only four hinges for the two halves of each door. Is this or is it not correct? Also, are photos available for such cars in other than the "billboard" paint offered by Atlas and, if so, are decals available. If what I'm questioning is correct it is a shame that Atlas has offered that model painted for just about every packing company that ever existed but, apparently, few that any of us can use and be prototypically correct as it is also my understanding that Cudahy was about the only packer that used these oddball prototyes. I'd just like to have a couple in a later Cudahy paint that is prototyically correct, if that is possible. Thanks for anything anyone can offer to bring me up to speed on this. Don Valentine --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote: to the West Coast market", but I don't recall any published photos to
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Bill Kelly
I found the following:
http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-founder.html Also look at: http://www.patrickcudahy.com/company-history.html These help to sort things out. Later, Bill Kelly Tony wrote ____________________________________________________________ Take Control of Your Debt! Free & Confidential Advice. Get on Track Now. Find out more. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/u4MuScM0hRWYgGbsM3nKXOHNUgCjxqPgTHii9qqq9hw9CXLQcHk5D/
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Re: Cudahy meat reefers
Ray Breyer
>>OK now I am confused. I thought the Sunshine meat reefer for CudahyBrian J Carlson <brian@bluemoon.net> wrote: >>was for the Wisconsin meat packers. The CRLX cars were Cudahy Car >>Lines and were owned by the Cudahy packing Company in Wisconsin. >>These cars often came east on the NKP. Are there two separate Cudahy >>meat packing companies? The emails make is sound like there were >>different corporations. Hi Brian, Remember, just because a company is "based in" a certain state doesn't mean that it's restricted to ONLY that state. Cudahy had processing plants of various sizes all over the country. On the NKP's Peoria Division there's a Cudahy plant in Bloomington, IL. It received dressed hog sides (in CRLX reefers) and shipped bacon and margarine (in CRLX reefers). My meat reefer fleet has a disproportionate number of Cudahy reefers in it because of that one plant, although I believe Cudahy also had a sausage processing plant in Peoria (next to the stockyards on the Rock Island) Regards, Ray Breyer
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