For the record, the photos of the Omaha Stockyards were found and
posted by Brad Williams of the Omaha-Council Bluffs Railfans group. I
subquently posted these to the Railway Bull Shippers listed. Just
wanted to give credit where credit is due.

Merry Christmas

Jack Hanger

Steve some great photos. The one of the ex Lackawanna stockcars was not fully loaded, can only see a partial image. Could you
reload that photo? You might also want to join the Bullshippers yahoo group,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Railway_Bull_Shippers_Group/ where discussion is focused "This group collects and shares information
about railroad livestock and meat transportation and the rolling stock, facilities and operations which supported it. This group
covers any railroad in North America, plus the meat packing business."

I would also suggest, as all your files are photos ie jpgs, that you reload your photos in the group photo section. You used all
the available space in the file section, while the group photo section has 100gb's available. Yahoo recently changed the photos
section, allow much more space and permitting original size images to be viewed (ie no more reducing of image sizes).

I, for one, am very interested if what you are posting.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Rich,

I bought a couple of sets from Short Line Products a few years ago. Their address is P.O. Box 267, Pequannock, NJ 07440.

The sets provide enough decals for 6 cannisters for the DW&L, the LV, the D&H, and the NYC. Hope they are still available.

Larry Sexton
Crystal River, FL

I've created a new folder called "US Meat Packers" and put some of my Armour, Morris, and Wilson stuff in there. And most of my stuff concerns Oklahoma City that I have collected from various sources.

If someone has information about Cudahy, Switft, Oscar Meyer, or any other meat packer than that would be a great folder to put it in.

Steve Hedlund
Everett, WA
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Wow!

Many thanks to all for the good input. Found some of the Proto's on
ebay, interesting that the cars with the WWII heralds were the rarest
(and none of the NYC cars in original paint).

For cars out of production, e-bay seems a good indicator of accuracy -
the less frquently you see them, the more accurate they are. I would
think manufacturers and delears could take that lesson learned as a
key marketing data point. Inaccurate cars will end up in clearence sales!

Ted's CofG car may make a good early Box car resin attempt - although
I plan on learning about resin building with a few F&C gons first -
smaller WWII gons seem to be almost non-existant in plastic, even
though there were a LOT of them. With F&C 2 for 1 deals at Timonium,
some of them run $10 to $15 each - not a disaster if the first few
turn out lousy (and hopefully only a few!)

Appreciate the heads up on the N&W resin - might be a good kit if I
get good at Resin cars - it is certainly a unique looking car.

I checked rib side cars - there 50' is just about to be released -
will keep an eye out for them - probably one of the larger WWII 50'
steel fleets. There appear to be at least 10 Proto's that are era
accurate (with length, height, doors and heralds as the only
criteria), but many were from fleets of 25-100 cars - would be quite
rare when there were 27,000+ PRR X29's on the rails. (I'll skip the
roster "balance" topic for now ;-)

The RPI site has good info on paint schemes, but not much on how close
each Proto car was to the prototype - candidates with WWII heralds
include GTW, Southern, LV, Erie (I see another thread on the accuracy
of these), SLSW, P&LE, SP, NYC, KCS and UP. Do any of these jump out
at anyone as way off, or a good match? Hard to justify more than a few
- 50' steel boxes were only 3.5% of the WWII boxcar fleet.

Thanks to all,
Dave Evans

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Hi Everyone,

Also notice, no hoppers, only gons for open tops in all the photos. there might be one hopper in photo #12.

Ted

At 01:17 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote:

Photo 14 was taken in 1926 or later. The P&WV gondola at the left was
built in 1926.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

Here are som nice photos from around Omaha in the 1924 to 1925 era.
The link was posted on the Railway Bull Shippers Yahoo group. I never
knew that the Old Dutch Cleanser reefers really had a prototype!

<http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26579>

A.T. Kott

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Hi Dave,

The Mineral yearbooks are now all online at the Department of the Interior's website. They're huge files, but they CAN be downloaded.

Ray Breyer

Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@att.net> wrote:
al.kresse wrote:

Folks,

I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal
shipments directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by
basically the C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater
(Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports).

Al, check any major University library that's close by to you, as they might
have a federal document depository. There you want to find a copy of the
Minerals yearbook. A look at the copy I own (1950 edition) shows the Fed's
did have bit coal production data going back to 1890 but in this volume the
data by state only covers a 10 year span.

Dave Nelson


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I myself don't have any artwork. I would be interested in sets of all the railroads that had the LCL Cement cars. I know the D&H & NYC had them, and am sure a few others had them too. Don't know if this counts towards a set, but the gon holds 6 containers.
 
Thanks gentlemen,
Rich C

Guys -

Thanks for the nice comments!

Richard and Tony - We do not have a real hobby shop here (San Antonio,
9th largest city in U.S.), two recently closed in Houston (where I have
been buying books), and the good one in Austin is supposedly closing in
January! Looks like I will have to resort to ordering books on-line!
Was hoping to pick up the reefer book and the latest SP freight car
book at Papa Ben's in Houston last week, but it is not open at the new
location.

The photos are really wonderful. I would love to have wet prints of
all of them! The trackwork was amazing! It would be interesting to
have seen those times, but I'll bet there was some hard work done in
bad conditions at some of those buildings.

A.T. Kott

Mike,

Thanks for the information. That is consistent with the other piecemeal C&O iformation information that I have. I'm really looking for the cross-over date. However, that it consistent was C&O Presque Isle coal loadings data that looks like it peaked just around 1960. That would be spelling bad news for the Virginian Rwy . . . which had its coal conveyor belt tuned especially for Tidewater.

Al Kresse

Al Kresse writes:

"I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal shipments
directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by basically the
C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater (Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports). Early on it was basically all
EAST and then it gradually shifted from going up the intercoastal
waterways to the NE, to heading west and north to the industrial
heartlands. So much so that at one time the Pennsy hard-coal shippers
wanted a tariff to be put on cheap southern soft-coal."

Al, as you are probably aware, Richard Prince summarized coal tonnage on the N&W for the year 1948 in his book Norfolk & Western Pochahontas Coal Carrier. On page 240, I summarize...of 52 million tons originated by N&W, 22 million went west by rail, 10 million went north into Great Lakes ports at Toledo and Sandusky, 10 million went east through Lamberts Point, 2.5 million went south, and the remainder went into Maryland and DC and Virginia itself. So, given that, fully 61% went west and north through Portsmouth.

Mike Brock

Rich,
You may be able to get a set of O scale decals from Rich Yoder at Yoder
Models, then either reduce them or maybe the printer can use them as artwork
(?).
Chuck Hladik

al.kresse wrote:

Folks,

I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal
shipments directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by
basically the C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater
(Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports).

Al, check any major University library that's close by to you, as they might
have a federal document depository. There you want to find a copy of the
Minerals yearbook. A look at the copy I own (1950 edition) shows the Fed's
did have bit coal production data going back to 1890 but in this volume the
data by state only covers a 10 year span.

Dave Nelson

Folks,

I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal shipments
directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by basically the
C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater (Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports). Early on it was basically all
EAST and then it gradually shifted from going up the intercoastal
waterways to the NE, to heading west and north to the industrial
heartlands. So much so that at one time the Pennsy hard-coal shippers
wanted a tariff to be put on cheap southern soft-coal.

Many thanks,

Al Kresse

Jeff Aley comments-

Posted by: "Aley, Jeff A" Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com jaley95630
Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:13 pm (PST)

I have been led to believe that many box car interiors and possibly
floors were of white oak. A woodworker once asked me if I knew where
any boxcars were being scrapped (i.e. in the Antelope / Roseville
area), as they were often a source of good-quality recycled oak....

I cannot speak to how common white oak would have been in boxcars,
although I do know they were relatively commonplace for flat car
decking. When in the throes of a wanton brain lapse some years ago
(the '70s), the Sierra Railroad dismantled/scrapped in situ a
seriously deteriorated 19thC wood coach in Jamestown. I was there at
the time, and like a vulture I picked over the bones of the car to
cherry-pick some pretty fine pieces of fine old white oak- primarily
from the carlines. This oak now lives on in the very heart of several
fine boats. Fortunately the hardware was saved and eventually would
its way to the then-developing CalStateRRMuseum.

P.S. How do you recommend I treat the dog-eared cedar fence boards
that are so common in the Sacramento area?

Replace them!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

Here were a couple of comments on the original post. These comments
appeared on the Pacific Electric Railway group at:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/PEry/

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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The fact that there is electric overhead in the photo means that the
photo was not taken at Los Alamitos. It could have been on the Santa
Ana - Huntington Beach line, which was built largely to serve a beet
growing area. The PE did operate between Huntington Beach and a sugar
factory at La Bolsa on a SP branch and it is possible that a beet
loader could have been located on the Santa Ana line, but I have not
seen any record of one.

Cliff Prather
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Looks to be a Blackburn type rack that didn't need the stake pockets-
so it may be beet RACK PE 3375 on a flatcar, if there are any purists
in the crowd.

Ed Workman

Photo 14 was taken in 1926 or later. The P&WV gondola at the left was
built in 1926.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Great Pics - I like the gate on #16 and the way the model Ts are parked on #37.Thanks

Mark



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