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Re: Resin parts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:
As I don't know the translation of 75 micron/10 Pascal maximum vacuum to inches of mercury.
That's a quite good vacuum, Jon, far beyond what's needed for resin casting. And those microns? They are micrometers of mercury, so convert them into inches and you have it. It's less than one 10,000th.

Anthony Thompson
Dept. of Materials Science & Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
thompsonmarytony@sbcglobal.net


Re: Resin parts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

For those who might wish to make minor parts of resin. for their steam era freight cars, HF now stocks vacuum pumps in two sizes. I doubt these will do any work beyond small parts because price equals quality.
As I don't know the translation of 75 micron/10 Pascal maximum vacuum to inches of mercury.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: 1925 photos around Omaha

Paul Hillman
 

Hello A.T.,

Which 2 hobby shops closed in Houston, where I live north of?

I knew about the Houston Roundhouse closing, but what was the other one?

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: proto48er<mailto:atkott@swbell.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 1925 photos around Omaha


Guys -

Thanks for the nice comments!

Richard and Tony - We do not have a real hobby shop here (San Antonio,
9th largest city in U.S.), two recently closed in Houston (where I have
been buying books), and the good one in Austin is supposedly closing in
January! Looks like I will have to resort to ordering books on-line!
Was hoping to pick up the reefer book and the latest SP freight car
book at Papa Ben's in Houston last week, but it is not open at the new
location.

The photos are really wonderful. I would love to have wet prints of
all of them! The trackwork was amazing! It would be interesting to
have seen those times, but I'll bet there was some hard work done in
bad conditions at some of those buildings.

A.T. Kott


Re: LCL Cement Container Decals

Rich C
 

Thanks Chuck, I will keep that in mind.
Rich C

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, RUTLANDRS@aol.com <RUTLANDRS@aol.com> wrote:

From: RUTLANDRS@aol.com <RUTLANDRS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:28 PM






Rich,
You may be able to get a set of O scale decals from Rich Yoder at Yoder
Models, then either reduce them or maybe the printer can use them as artwork
(?).
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:45:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rhcdmc@yahoo. com writes:

Bob & Jerry

I myself don't have any artwork. I would be interested in sets of all the
railroads that had the LCL Cement cars. I know the D&H & NYC had them, and am
sure a few others had them too. Don't know if this counts towards a set, but
the gon holds 6 containers.

Thanks gentlemen,
Rich C

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Bob Anson <_e2picasso@yahoo. e2p_
(mailto:e2picasso@yahoo. com) > wrote:

From: Bob Anson <_e2picasso@yahoo. e2p_ (mailto:e2picasso@yahoo. com) >
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: _STMFC@yahoogroups. STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com)
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:46 AM

contact me next week. i have artwork and an Alps printer

Bob Anson %~)

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net> wrote:
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:01 AM

How many do you need and are you capable of laying out the artwork?

There are several custom printers who could do it - you'd need the data

of course to do the masters. Contact me directly if interested in

pursuing this approach. (I am NOT soliciting work - I've just done

artwork for a commercial company and had decals done privately).

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Rich Christie" <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Does anyone know who makes them? There once was a modeling article in
MR on kitbashing an Athearn gondola into a Lehigh Valley cement gon.
The author mentioned 7th Street Depot. I tried contacting them about
a

year ago, no answer at the phone number provided.
Thanks,
Rich C
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Need plain A end, Storzek, CN 1917 Boxcar Kit

carman_ron <rpsmith@...>
 

Hello All,

I just picked up a Dennis Storzek, Canadian National 1917 Boxcar Kit.
Missing in the Kit is the Plain (No lumber Doors) "A" End. The kit
instructions says it came with 2 "A" ends, one with Lumber Doos, one
without. The Instructions say "when the end sheathing needed renewal,
the doors in the A end were omitted." As I plan to model this car for
the late 50s, to Model the car right, I need the plain "A" end.
Anybody out there have this kit (Built or unbuilt) and not need the
plain "A" End?

Ron Smith
Carman UPRR


Re: Digest Number 5515

Jedalberg
 

Re: Cement Container Gondolas.

The DL&W, D&H, and NYC had purpose-built cement gons. These carried five of
the containers. Many years ago Red Ball had a kit for these cars.

In addition the LV and DL&W had regular gondolas of various sizes converted
to this service(all the LV cars were); the cars carried five or six
containers, depending on car capacity. I don't think, someone out there can confirm,
that either D&H or NYC had other than the purpose built cement container cars.
they all were pretty much out of service by the early '60's, here in the
east, when the big tractor trailer bulk cement carriers ate the railroads lunch.

I have a number of these cars in operation, along with many "regular" cement
hoppers.

Jim Dalberg
Paoli,Pa
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ADMIN: Photos in the STMFC archive

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

There seems to be some confusion with regard to photos uploaded into the STMFC archives.

1. Photos should only be placed in the Photo area.

2. Photos that ARE uploaded must be approved by STMFC management...uh...me or my assistant, Jeff Aley...to ensure that there is no copyright violation. If you wish to upload a photo, go through the Yahoo procedure and you will receive an inquiry regarding ownership of the photo.

3. Photos found in the files area stand the risk of being removed during periodical checks.

Thanks,

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Omaha Stockyards

mrslandser
 

For the record, the photos of the Omaha Stockyards were found and
posted by Brad Williams of the Omaha-Council Bluffs Railfans group. I
subquently posted these to the Railway Bull Shippers listed. Just
wanted to give credit where credit is due.

Merry Christmas

Jack Hanger


Re: Meat Packers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Steve some great photos. The one of the ex Lackawanna stockcars was not fully loaded, can only see a partial image. Could you
reload that photo? You might also want to join the Bullshippers yahoo group,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Railway_Bull_Shippers_Group/ where discussion is focused "This group collects and shares information
about railroad livestock and meat transportation and the rolling stock, facilities and operations which supported it. This group
covers any railroad in North America, plus the meat packing business."

I would also suggest, as all your files are photos ie jpgs, that you reload your photos in the group photo section. You used all
the available space in the file section, while the group photo section has 100gb's available. Yahoo recently changed the photos
section, allow much more space and permitting original size images to be viewed (ie no more reducing of image sizes).

I, for one, am very interested if what you are posting.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: LCL Cement Container Decals

Larry Sexton
 

Rich,

I bought a couple of sets from Short Line Products a few years ago. Their address is P.O. Box 267, Pequannock, NJ 07440.

The sets provide enough decals for 6 cannisters for the DW&L, the LV, the D&H, and the NYC. Hope they are still available.

Larry Sexton
Crystal River, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Christie
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:36 PM
Subject: [STMFC] LCL Cement Container Decals




Does anyone know who makes them? There once was a modeling article in
MR on kitbashing an Athearn gondola into a Lehigh Valley cement gon.
The author mentioned 7th Street Depot. I tried contacting them about a
year ago, no answer at the phone number provided.

Thanks,
Rich C


Meat Packers

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I've created a new folder called "US Meat Packers" and put some of my Armour, Morris, and Wilson stuff in there. And most of my stuff concerns Oklahoma City that I have collected from various sources.

If someone has information about Cudahy, Switft, Oscar Meyer, or any other meat packer than that would be a great folder to put it in.

Steve Hedlund
Everett, WA
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Re: WWII 50 foot Steel Box

devansprr
 

Wow!

Many thanks to all for the good input. Found some of the Proto's on
ebay, interesting that the cars with the WWII heralds were the rarest
(and none of the NYC cars in original paint).

For cars out of production, e-bay seems a good indicator of accuracy -
the less frquently you see them, the more accurate they are. I would
think manufacturers and delears could take that lesson learned as a
key marketing data point. Inaccurate cars will end up in clearence sales!

Ted's CofG car may make a good early Box car resin attempt - although
I plan on learning about resin building with a few F&C gons first -
smaller WWII gons seem to be almost non-existant in plastic, even
though there were a LOT of them. With F&C 2 for 1 deals at Timonium,
some of them run $10 to $15 each - not a disaster if the first few
turn out lousy (and hopefully only a few!)

Appreciate the heads up on the N&W resin - might be a good kit if I
get good at Resin cars - it is certainly a unique looking car.

I checked rib side cars - there 50' is just about to be released -
will keep an eye out for them - probably one of the larger WWII 50'
steel fleets. There appear to be at least 10 Proto's that are era
accurate (with length, height, doors and heralds as the only
criteria), but many were from fleets of 25-100 cars - would be quite
rare when there were 27,000+ PRR X29's on the rails. (I'll skip the
roster "balance" topic for now ;-)

The RPI site has good info on paint schemes, but not much on how close
each Proto car was to the prototype - candidates with WWII heralds
include GTW, Southern, LV, Erie (I see another thread on the accuracy
of these), SLSW, P&LE, SP, NYC, KCS and UP. Do any of these jump out
at anyone as way off, or a good match? Hard to justify more than a few
- 50' steel boxes were only 3.5% of the WWII boxcar fleet.

Thanks to all,
Dave Evans


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

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Re: 1925 photos around Omaha

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Everyone,

Also notice, no hoppers, only gons for open tops in all the photos. there might be one hopper in photo #12.

Ted

At 01:17 PM 12/11/2008, you wrote:
Photo 14 was taken in 1926 or later. The P&WV gondola at the left was
built in 1926.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

Here are som nice photos from around Omaha in the 1924 to 1925 era.
The link was posted on the Railway Bull Shippers Yahoo group. I never
knew that the Old Dutch Cleanser reefers really had a prototype!

<http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26579>

A.T. Kott
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Re: Coal shipment trends 1900-1960

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Dave,

The Mineral yearbooks are now all online at the Department of the Interior's website. They're huge files, but they CAN be downloaded.

Ray Breyer

Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@att.net> wrote:
al.kresse wrote:
Folks,

I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal
shipments directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by
basically the C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater
(Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports).
Al, check any major University library that's close by to you, as they might
have a federal document depository. There you want to find a copy of the
Minerals yearbook. A look at the copy I own (1950 edition) shows the Fed's
did have bit coal production data going back to 1890 but in this volume the
data by state only covers a 10 year span.

Dave Nelson


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Re: LCL Cement Container Decals

Rich C
 

Bob & Jerry
 
I myself don't have any artwork. I would be interested in sets of all the railroads that had the LCL Cement cars. I know the D&H & NYC had them, and am sure a few others had them too. Don't know if this counts towards a set, but the gon holds 6 containers.
 
Thanks gentlemen,
Rich C

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Bob Anson <e2picasso@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Anson <e2picasso@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:46 AM






contact me next week.  i have artwork and an Alps printer

Bob Anson %~)

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net> wrote:
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:01 AM

How many do you need and are you capable of laying out the artwork?

There are several custom printers who could do it - you'd need the data

of course to do the masters. Contact me directly if interested in

pursuing this approach. (I am NOT soliciting work - I've just done

artwork for a commercial company and had decals done privately).

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Rich Christie" <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Does anyone know who makes them? There once was a modeling article in
MR on kitbashing an Athearn gondola into a Lehigh Valley cement gon.
The author mentioned 7th Street Depot. I tried contacting them about
a

year ago, no answer at the phone number provided.
Thanks,
Rich C


Re: 1925 photos around Omaha

proto48er
 

Guys -

Thanks for the nice comments!

Richard and Tony - We do not have a real hobby shop here (San Antonio,
9th largest city in U.S.), two recently closed in Houston (where I have
been buying books), and the good one in Austin is supposedly closing in
January! Looks like I will have to resort to ordering books on-line!
Was hoping to pick up the reefer book and the latest SP freight car
book at Papa Ben's in Houston last week, but it is not open at the new
location.

The photos are really wonderful. I would love to have wet prints of
all of them! The trackwork was amazing! It would be interesting to
have seen those times, but I'll bet there was some hard work done in
bad conditions at some of those buildings.

A.T. Kott


Re: Coal shipment trends 1900-1960

water.kresse@...
 

Mike,

Thanks for the information. That is consistent with the other piecemeal C&O iformation information that I have. I'm really looking for the cross-over date. However, that it consistent was C&O Presque Isle coal loadings data that looks like it peaked just around 1960. That would be spelling bad news for the Virginian Rwy . . . which had its coal conveyor belt tuned especially for Tidewater.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@brevard.net>
Al Kresse writes:

"I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal shipments
directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by basically the
C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater (Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports). Early on it was basically all
EAST and then it gradually shifted from going up the intercoastal
waterways to the NE, to heading west and north to the industrial
heartlands. So much so that at one time the Pennsy hard-coal shippers
wanted a tariff to be put on cheap southern soft-coal."

Al, as you are probably aware, Richard Prince summarized coal tonnage on the
N&W for the year 1948 in his book Norfolk & Western Pochahontas Coal
Carrier. On page 240, I summarize...of 52 million tons originated by N&W, 22
million went west by rail, 10 million went north into Great Lakes ports at
Toledo and Sandusky, 10 million went east through Lamberts Point, 2.5
million went south, and the remainder went into Maryland and DC and Virginia
itself. So, given that, fully 61% went west and north through Portsmouth.

Mike Brock


Re: Coal shipment trends 1900-1960

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Al Kresse writes:

"I am looking for the member who had access to Bituminous Coal shipments
directions historical data out VA, WV, and KY carried by basically the
C&O/N&W/Virginian (Pokey Roads) East to Tidewater (Hampton Roads) vs.
West (midwest or Great Lakes ports). Early on it was basically all
EAST and then it gradually shifted from going up the intercoastal
waterways to the NE, to heading west and north to the industrial
heartlands. So much so that at one time the Pennsy hard-coal shippers
wanted a tariff to be put on cheap southern soft-coal."

Al, as you are probably aware, Richard Prince summarized coal tonnage on the N&W for the year 1948 in his book Norfolk & Western Pochahontas Coal Carrier. On page 240, I summarize...of 52 million tons originated by N&W, 22 million went west by rail, 10 million went north into Great Lakes ports at Toledo and Sandusky, 10 million went east through Lamberts Point, 2.5 million went south, and the remainder went into Maryland and DC and Virginia itself. So, given that, fully 61% went west and north through Portsmouth.

Mike Brock


Re: LCL Cement Container Decals

Charles Hladik
 

Rich,
You may be able to get a set of O scale decals from Rich Yoder at Yoder
Models, then either reduce them or maybe the printer can use them as artwork
(?).
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:45:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rhcdmc@yahoo.com writes:




Bob & Jerry

I myself don't have any artwork. I would be interested in sets of all the
railroads that had the LCL Cement cars. I know the D&H & NYC had them, and am
sure a few others had them too. Don't know if this counts towards a set, but
the gon holds 6 containers.

Thanks gentlemen,
Rich C

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Bob Anson <_e2picasso@yahoo.e2p_
(mailto:e2picasso@yahoo.com) > wrote:

From: Bob Anson <_e2picasso@yahoo.e2p_ (mailto:e2picasso@yahoo.com) >
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:46 AM

contact me next week. i have artwork and an Alps printer

Bob Anson %~)

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net> wrote:
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:01 AM

How many do you need and are you capable of laying out the artwork?

There are several custom printers who could do it - you'd need the data

of course to do the masters. Contact me directly if interested in

pursuing this approach. (I am NOT soliciting work - I've just done

artwork for a commercial company and had decals done privately).

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Rich Christie" <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Does anyone know who makes them? There once was a modeling article in
MR on kitbashing an Athearn gondola into a Lehigh Valley cement gon.
The author mentioned 7th Street Depot. I tried contacting them about
a

year ago, no answer at the phone number provided.
Thanks,
Rich C
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