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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

Ray Breyer
 

Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I have really enjoyed the life photos. I do wish that the information had been better >>documented, although. I have so many questions concerning some of those shots.
For example, the date on the photos that you have linked has 1950 but, I can't help but >>wonder if that is correct. The M3 Lee tanks were a relic when WWII started and were so >>out classed they were used for training for the most part.
Also, there is a shot of a LARGE tank in the collection that I can not find any information >>on.

Hi Don,

Take a close look at those AFVs. They're used, and have had all of their old unit markings sandblasted off. These are obviously war surplus sale items (although the ANG did use M3's and M5's into the 1960s).

I do question where they're going though. Depending on WHEN in 1950 this is, I suspect that these vehicles are actually going to Israel, not Formosa (Taiwan).

Regards,

Ray Breyer


Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Don, these are M5A1 light tanks, produced 1942-44. Although classified obsolete at the end of the war they were kept on hand to fill out numerical requirements until something better came along. Many of these were probably "new-old stock", held in storage at depots from the day they were built. With the fall of China to the CCP in 1949, they were no doubt sent because they could be spared.

The heavy tank is probably a T29, T30, or T32. If you want to send me the URL I can ID it for you.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Worthy

I have really enjoyed the life photos. I do wish that the information had been better documented, although. I have so many questions concerning some of those shots.
For example, the date on the photos that you have linked has 1950 but, I can't help but wonder if that is correct. The M3 Lee tanks were a relic when WWII started and were so out classed they were used for training for the most part.
Also, there is a shot of a LARGE tank in the collection that I can not find any information on.
I'm so glad that they are available.


Re: Peaked end gondola?

James D Thompson <jaydeet@...>
 

Could be C&O 40000-43999, built by AC&F in 1930 (3000) and 1934 (1000).

David Thompson


Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

Don Worthy
 

I have really enjoyed the life photos. I do wish that the information had been better documented, although. I have so many questions concerning some of those shots.
For example, the date on the photos that you have linked has 1950 but, I can't help but wonder if that is correct. The M3 Lee tanks were a relic when WWII started and were so out classed they were used for training for the most part.
Also, there is a shot of a LARGE tank in the collection that I can not find any information on.
I'm so glad that they are available.
Don Worthy

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net> wrote:

From: Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:58 PM






More LIFE images. . .

Good view of blocking and tie-down arrangements for tanks:

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Tanks+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DTanks% 2Bsource: life%26start% 3D40%26ndsp% 3D20%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= cb2a2310c997194e

RDG 32076:

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Tanks+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DTanks% 2Bsource: life%26start% 3D40%26ndsp% 3D20%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 859950cab77d855e

RAs, XMs, GBs, FMs, a HM, and a LO:

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Tanks+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DTanks% 2Bsource: life%26start% 3D40%26ndsp% 3D20%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 7e102bcabc447690

Reading HMs or HTs with tarps over the bodies - Why?

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Tanks+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DTanks% 2Bsource: life%26start% 3D40%26ndsp% 3D20%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 2755e9ddb4539fea

More RDG GBs and other views of the tarped hoppers:

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Tanks+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DTanks% 2Bsource: life%26start% 3D40%26ndsp% 3D20%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 9456781e7bac3027

Unknown drop end GB, RAs, and a B&O hopper:

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Tanks+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DTanks% 2Bsource: life%26start% 3D40%26ndsp% 3D20%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= b26a9e5c49e440bb

KL

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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

RDG 32076:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Tanks+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTanks%2Bsource:life%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=859950cab77d855e
Wow! Take a look at that air hose bracket :-)

Dennis


NWSL

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

On behalf of David Rygmir, and at the behest of a fellow good List
Member, I am am forwarding the following letter to the group. NWSL
has been a resource of inestimable value to our hobby for so many,
many years, and it is reassuring for all of us to see that things are
likely to not only continue. but perhaps even get better.

Denny


Hello everyone,

I'm Dave Rygmyr and my wife Lynda and I are the new owners of
NorthWest
Short Line. For those that don't know us, NWSL started in 1959 and
founder
Fred "Raoul" Martin was the guy that pioneered the importing of brass
locomotives, first from Japan and then Korea, where the majority of
what's
left of the brass imports are still made. As others moved in to that
business, NWSL moved out and started manufacturing parts; their first
product was an improved coupling system for connecting steam lokies
to their
tenders.

Over the years NWSL evolved into the leading supplier of gears,
wheels,
axles, gearboxes, motors, and other things. Most everything is made in
house, originally in Seattle and now in Hamilton, Montana (about an
hour
south of Missoula and about 12 miles south of Precision Scale
Company.) We
also make a line of tools. We do import a few things, but the vast
majority
of what we do is in-house. We have gear hobbers, collet lathes, turret
lathes, three injection molding machines, and a bunch of other
stuff. We
employ 3 full time people in the machine shop alone.

We've owned NWSL for about 90 days now, and those of you familiar
with NWSL
and its product line can probably relate when I tell you that
picking up
NWSL and getting everything up and going is not unlike having a
grand piano
dropped on you from 3 stories up. Some of you might know us from our
Evergreen Hill Design kits or as Oso Publishing, but believe me NWSL
has
completely overshadowed most of that. (Yes, we are still working on
the Shay
book. No, I do not have a date or any other details.)

By and large, most things are back on line. A problem area for the
moment is
motors; for a very long time NWSL used Sagami motors from Japan and
for good
reason. However, Mr. Sagami retired, his successors dropped the
ball, and to
make a long story short we don't buy Sagami motors anymore. Instead,
we're
working with other manufacturers; all NWSL motors are made to our
specs for
optimal performance in model railroads. We're getting close, and the
last
batch of samples I saw are better than any Sagami I have on the
shelf now.
All are most definitely DCC compatible; in fact we're keeping a
close eye on
amp draw at both no-load and stall to keep those expensive decoders
from
turning into puffs of smoke.

The other thing we're trying to work on, and you've already seen
some blips
on this list about it, is keeping up with the latest locomotives and
providing solutions where needed to make up for any weak spots or
problem
areas. Manufacturers do not send us samples, although ironically
they'll
gladly give out our phone number to those seeking spare parts
because their
manufacturing runs do not always include spare parts.

To give you a current example, a customer sent in a Bachmann HO
Shay. Nice
little engine, and kudos to Bachmann for making it operate like the
prototype, but the entire geartrain along the drive side of the
locomotive
uses plastic gears. They work, but they're somewhat frail and it's
probably
just a question of time before they break. So, we're looking into
making
metal replacements. I can't say yet whether or not we'll actually
produce
them; yes we can make them but if the resulting retail price seems
too high
then we run the risk of pitchforks and torches coming up our driveway.

Another thing we're doing is converting all of our wheelsets to nickel
silver. Some of you are probably painfully aware that if the nickel
plating
starts wearing or flaking off brass wheels, the decoder in that
model has
hell to pay. We're out of raw material for the moment (we have to
get it
outside the US; the last batch came from Germany) but give us a
month or two
and we'll have a good selection ready to go.

Sorry for the long-winded email but I wanted to say all this in one
shot.
NWSL is on the list and is listening and we'll do what we can. If
there are
problems with newer locomotives we don't hear about it until our
customers
tell us, so we welcome any heads-up issues that arise. We're still
backed up
with Seattle's back orders, but we're making headway. Meanwhile, we
look
forward to working with you. Oh, and yes we're brutally aware that
both the
website and catalog need a lot of work, but that's going to have to
wait a
while as well.

Dave Rygmyr
NorthWest Short Line (www.nwsl.com)
Oso Publishing & Evergreen Hill Designs (www.osorail.com)
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Peaked end gondola?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 


Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 


ACCURAIL OOP CARS and Mailing List

Dennis Storzek
 

Accurail maintains a list of just about everything we've ever done, of
course the "stock line" is subject to periodic restocking with new
road numbers, but we also have a list of the three pack and limited
run specials we've done over the years since 1992. A few of the early
ones lack images where none were ever saved in our files.

This might also be a good place to announce our new Product
Announcement Mailing List, you can follow the link from our web site
or go here:

http://accurail.com/accurail/mailinglist.htm

This is a yahoogroups re-mailer, you can subscribe and un-subscribe
using e-mail commands only, or sign up on the web here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/accurail/

But I believe Yahoo will make you get a Yahoo ID.

The planned format is an occasional e-mail that includes a link to the
product announcement as a PDF file which resides on the Accurail web
site; an archive of these PDF's will be available both on our site and
on the Yahoo site by scrolling through the older messages.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: P2K Tank Cars

ATSF1226
 

All the 8K Tank Cars are gone. Still have 6 10K cars left.

George A Walls

-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "George A. Walls" <atsf1226@...> wrote:

If anyone needs anymore of the P2K Tank Cars, contact me off list.
All
undec's, 8 & 10k. Same price as Andy's.

George A Walls


I am sold out on the P2K tank cars. Sold 18 in one hour.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




nice paint job

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> wrote:
I used them to complete my otherwise
Champ and ALPS lettered car as can be seen:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/ART.html
Nice job of painting the hinges Jerry. Any hints?

Ed Mines


Re: New ART steel reefer

jerryglow2
 

I corresponded with Ed and he replied
"You are correct that Oddballs decal set 548 for the wood reefer
should provide the heralds to modify the steel reefer offered by the
MPHS/Amarillo RR Museum to update the scheme for the 24000-24449
steel cars to the scheme applied 1948-1950."

He did state he hasn't seen the set to verify it's accuracy but for
the purpose here should be fine. I used them to complete my otherwise
Champ and ALPS lettered car as can be seen:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/ART.html

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:



The interim scheme was just like the original scheme except a MP
buzzsaw emblem (red and white with a blue border) was applied to
the
left side of the car over the reporting marks and a small Wabash
flag
was in the same position on the right side of the car. The interim
scheme was used for only about two years. Photos of repainted ART
reefers in the interim scheme are pretty scarce. Photos of the
interim
scheme have been more commonly found on series 26900-27999 that
were
built new in mid-1948 and originally lettered in the interim scheme.

...... If the right decals were available for
the buzzsaw and flag, the 1948-1950 interim scheme could easily be
created by using the original model and adding the decals.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?

golden1014
 

If you guys really want a high-quality, plastic M-53, just wait about
two months. I just started my F&C car, and it'll take me about two
months to get it finished. The announcement of a better, less
expensive, much less labor intensive model will follow shortly
thereafter.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Garth Groff wrote:
"I agree that Sunshine or F&C's resin kits would give a superior
model. I have one of the Sunshine cars (unbuilt, of course :-D ).
But the original question concerned a plastic kit, and that's what
Cannonball's is."

Dean Payne added:
"I think the original post may have been referring to this from
2005,
which gave me hope that a plastic wagon top would be available in
the
foreseeable future:
'Why want a plastic wagon top (besides the already mentioned
Cannonball kit with it's [sic] problems)? I hear the Sunshine is a
bit of a challenge to get the sides on without gaps, the Funaro &
Camerlengo kit is allegedly top-heavy due to the thick sides... It
is
available in the M-15K rebuild and M53 versions, which adds some
nice
variation. The thing is, they do other more obscure and less
distinctive freight cars in plastic, why not the wagon tops?'"

The B&O Class M-53 was one of several prototypes allegedly tooled
in
HO by a certain individual back in 2004-2006. Since then, no
models
have been produced and no other status is known. This is a big
sticking point, as many injection-molded manufacturers are not
willing to risk investing in models being done by someone else,
especially if it's perceived as a "one road" or "limited appeal"
prototype.

Anyone know more about this situation?


Ben Hom


Re: SP DF B-50-22

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
"A pet peeve I wish manufacturers would leave item numbers and
thumbnail views of sold out/OOP cars on their websites for those of us
trying to track down old cars."





If you tick the following box in the Walthers advanced search window,

You'll find many of the OOP kits and models listed.



"include discontinued out of stock products"



Cheers

Dave North

Unrepentant OOP kit collector (VBG)


Re: P2K Tank Cars

ATSF1226
 

If anyone needs anymore of the P2K Tank Cars, contact me off list. All
undec's, 8 & 10k. Same price as Andy's.

George A Walls

I am sold out on the P2K tank cars. Sold 18 in one hour.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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P2K Tank Cars

Andy Carlson
 

I am sold out on the P2K tank cars. Sold 18 in one hour.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


2008 Cocoa Beach PRR X45 Boxcar.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

May I again gently urge all of you who attended Greg Martin's ShakeTake clinic at Cocoa Beach in 2008, and will be attending 8-11 January 2009, to not forget to bring along their models, no matter what the stage of completion. We all learn so much from others when we see how others address, or are addressing common modeling problems. When I saw how Mont Switzer treated the 2007 car project, I felt that I had to go to Confession before straightening up and flying right- and I'm not Catholic.

Choosing different car numbers adds to the interest when the models are massed together, although this is by no means necessary.


Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Sinclair Tank car

Andy Carlson
 

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Wayne Whitlow <k4rzw@bellsouth.net> wrote:

........ An alternative is to use undecorated P2K
kits (which
are also had to find)
I have a good number of fresh, never been opened, LifeLike P2K kits of undecorated 10000 gallon tank cars. These cars are specially priced at $7.00 each, plus shipping.

-Andy Carlson
<midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Ojai CA


Re: Sinclair tanks

Steve SANDIFER
 

Ebay. You will find them if patient.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sinclair tanks


> Proto did the Sinclair tank cars in both uninsulated and insulated 10k
> versions. I have a few in the basement. Sorry SGL. not for sale.
>
> Brian J Carlson P.E.
> Cheektowaga NY

Well, thanks for the info, Brian, but . . . . geez, that's just . . . mean!!

;^)

SGL


Re: QUESTIONS

Steve SANDIFER
 

SFRD
17851 - RR-25, 333 in 1961, Intermountain model
18700 - RR-28, 304 in 1961, Intermountain model.
10756 - RR-46, 700 in 1961, Intermountain model
12551 - RR-51, 475 in 1961, Plug door, Sunshine Resin Model
All 40' Ice Bunker reefers
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: joel norman
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 7:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] QUESTIONS


Gentleman..Merry Chirstmas and a Blessed 2009..
As a early Chirstmas gift I was given a stack of BAR Switch List(called
Conductors Tally)for most of 1961.What I found interesting and odd was
there were a good many SFRD cars.
SFRD 18700
17851
12551
10756
Also a car with the reporting marks KPCX(loaded with TAR)anything on
this car?What Id like to know what the SFRD cars were:bunker/mech or
insulated????Since my cut off date is summer 1962(Maine)want to see if
these cars can be modeled in HO.
Hope you can help
Joel Norman--Eastern Maine Rly(aka B&ML)

110701 - 110720 of 188621