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Coal in boxcar
Jack Mullen
This photo from the Life archive shows coal being shoveled out of a
boxcar into trucks. Location is the Heart Mountain, WY internment camp, 1943. http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=130c233955705d82&;q=coal+source:life+-britain+-english&usg=__22BxaPVBI3RB7jXsXBErICdP3I0=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoal%2Bsource:life%2B-britain%2B-english%26as_st%3Dy%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Jack Mullen
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Re: Wanted: Sunshine Models #76.1 SSW Flat Car Instructions and PDS
Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Dennis, It would help if, when you have a long subject line, to repeat it in the body of your msg. I'm using Thunderbird and the way I have it set up, it truncates the subject to fit the field and I only get part of it. I could make the subject field longer but then I'd have to truncate the from field. I know you're looking for instructions and PDS, but we've talked about it off line.
Jim Hayes Portland Oregon
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Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard - PFE reefers
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
good finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere in the USofA. http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f? q=Locomotives+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life% 26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c This is a gold star photo. Look at the color variations on those PFE reefers! The wood reefer with the SP hearald had to be yellow. There's another PFE reefer is the next row that had to be very dark grime, maybe near black. Ed
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Wanted: Sunshine Models #76.1 SSW Flat Car Instructions and PDS
Dennis Williams
If anyone can help, please contact me off list. Thanks, Dennis
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Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, michael bishop <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&;prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c
Aw, jeez. You can clearly see the R.I. reporting marks. Next four cars are very similar single-sheathed box cars, but photoenhancement fails to reveal any reporting marks or numbers. The first car in the line seems tohave end and side ladders, but it is difficult to determine.The Rock had a whole bunch of single sheathed cars with single sheathed ends; there is a photo of the fram of one in the 1922 CBC. They vave a didtinctive end sill that mimics the shape of the bolster, but we can't see the end sills on these cars. Still, I think they are Rock Island. Dennis
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Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946
michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
Try this one.
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http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&;prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c Michael Bishop
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From: Eric Hansmann <eric@hansmanns.org> Subject: [STMFC] LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:23 AM Rob Kirkham wrote: Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable. ....? Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page..... ============ ========= ========= ======= Well, I've got the morning off, so I'll take a crack at this. Here's that link again: http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Locomotives+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DLocomotive s %2Bsource:life% 26start%3D18% 26ndsp%3D18% 26hl%3Den% 26sa%3DN& imgurl=499ba8323 0c2fb3c I downloaded the image to my computer and opened it in Photoshop. I used three main tools; magnify, the Sharpen filter, and contrast and brightness adjustments. I was able to determine the following details. As a point of info, the car numbers are not easily determined on this photo, if they can be seen at all. Without a car number, it is difficult to determine exactly what class or kind of car is pictured here. Any updates to these comments are welcomed. Track 1 Rock Island 77189 (?) - USRA double-sheathed box car Southern Pacific xxxxx (?) - 40-foot, composite, drop-bottom gondola. Next four cars are very similar single-sheathed box cars, but photo enhancement fails to reveal any reporting marks or numbers. The first car in the line seems to have end and side ladders, but it is difficult to determine. Cars beyond this are difficult to determine. Track 2 Unknown refrigerator car - it seems to be painted with dark sides and a white fascia. A small portion of a circular herald can be seen but not enough detail is available to identify. PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed. - A Southern Pacific Lines circular herald can be seen at the far end, but there is no car number. KCS 25037 (?) - 40-foot steel box car. This car seems to have a 7/8 Murphy end, so it may be a rebuild. Next two cars are refrigerator cars, but details are difficult to determine. Track 3 Much of this track is empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on this track are too far away to determine. Track 4 PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. PFE refrigerator car; steel-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. Refrigerator car - A herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. It looks like an ART car that was discussed here recently. PFE refrigerator car - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. A couple more similar refrigerator cars are on this track, but details cannot be determined. Track 5 Much of this track is also empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on this track are open top hoppers. Track 6 Just the end corner of an odd composite car can be seen. The steel structure reminds me of a Seley hopper. Canadian National composite gondola with what seems like a load of run-of-mine coal. Illinois Central twin offset hopper with a much finer coal load. 40-foot steel box car - GM&O? The reporting marks are not readable, but there is a recognizable (yet unreadable) banner painted to the right of the door. Rock Island Howe-truss, single-sheathed box car. Unknown refrigerator car Tall, single-sheathed door and a half 50-foot box car. Reporting marks and number are unreadable. Cars beyond this are difficult to determine. Track 7 and Beyond Past this last track, smaller details are difficult to determine. A Santa Fe herald is visible on a reefer just beyond the IC hopper on track 6. The tops of a couple of tank cars can be seen just beyond that car. Just to the left of the tank cars and back another row of cars, it looks like there may be Dominion/Fowler car. The framing structure looks similar as does the lettering placement, but positive ID cannot be made. Panning further right, a lone stock car (Northern Pacific?) and a B&O wagon top box car catch the eye. Many reefers and many single-sheathed box cars make this an interesting scene. I wish there was another image from a different angle. Eric Hansmann Morgantown, W. Va. - for now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Nice Paint Job
Paul Catapano
I use a fine point "Sharpie" pen to "paint" the hinges on my reefers, or any other fine black parts I want to highlight.
Paul Catapano Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google
If you are late to this thread like I am, and no longer have the orginal
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post and can't get the url in the replies to work, try this http://tinyurl.com/9a2jf9* *Dave Smith* *
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com> wrote:
That is one of the "great" shots!! It has some of every type of car. Ben --
David L. Smith Da Vinci Science Center Allentown, PA http://www.davinci-center.org Please consider the environment before printing this email. Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again. -- Andre Gide
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Re: B&O M-53 Wagon Top - any hope of a plastic model in our future?
Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
Continuing C.J.'s confessional mode,
I actually built a plastic Cannonball Car Shops M-53 back in the early '80s when there wasn't a resin kit (at least as far as I knew then). It's not too bad looking a model, if I do say so, not lop-sided at all, and I may post a photo of it if I get the chance. Dimensionally it's as Bill Darnaby warned, about 9 inches too wide over the side posts and about 3 inches too high over the running board (and that's relatively thin; I probably replaced the kit part with something else). The length and truck centers are correct. I definitely replaced the kit's ladders and used wire grabs and stirrups, and I scratchbuilt a representation of the Duryea underframe, although it's now clear to me that at that time I didn't understand how to correctly install the brake equipment on it. The rivets along the side posts are on the gross side, and the posts themselves a little understated (though less so than on the old Trains Inc. brass model, which I also have). I've since built the West Shore Line M-53 kit from Central Hobby Supply, which I believe was made by F&C - am I revealing a mild obsession with wagon-tops? - and I'm much happier with that car than with either earlier model. I may get around to trying one of the Sunshine M-15s. Merry Christmas, Andy Andy Sperandeo Executive Editor Model Railroader magazine asperandeo@mrmag.com 262-796-8776, ext. 461 FAX 262-796-1142
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LIFE: Rock Island train yard 1946
Eric Hansmann
Rob Kirkham wrote:
Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable.....? Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page..... ===================================== Well, I've got the morning off, so I'll take a crack at this. Here's that link again: http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&;prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives %2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c I downloaded the image to my computer and opened it in Photoshop. I used three main tools; magnify, the Sharpen filter, and contrast and brightness adjustments. I was able to determine the following details. As a point of info, the car numbers are not easily determined on this photo, if they can be seen at all. Without a car number, it is difficult to determine exactly what class or kind of car is pictured here. Any updates to these comments are welcomed. Track 1 Rock Island 77189 (?) - USRA double-sheathed box car Southern Pacific xxxxx (?) - 40-foot, composite, drop-bottom gondola. Next four cars are very similar single-sheathed box cars, but photo enhancement fails to reveal any reporting marks or numbers. The first car in the line seems to have end and side ladders, but it is difficult to determine. Cars beyond this are difficult to determine. Track 2 Unknown refrigerator car - it seems to be painted with dark sides and a white fascia. A small portion of a circular herald can be seen but not enough detail is available to identify. PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed. - A Southern Pacific Lines circular herald can be seen at the far end, but there is no car number. KCS 25037 (?) - 40-foot steel box car. This car seems to have a 7/8 Murphy end, so it may be a rebuild. Next two cars are refrigerator cars, but details are difficult to determine. Track 3 Much of this track is empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on this track are too far away to determine. Track 4 PFE refrigerator car; wood-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. PFE refrigerator car; steel-sheathed - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. Refrigerator car - A herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. It looks like an ART car that was discussed here recently. PFE refrigerator car - A Union Pacific herald can be seen at the far end, but the car number is unreadable. A couple more similar refrigerator cars are on this track, but details cannot be determined. Track 5 Much of this track is also empty or has low height cars that cannot be seen. The few cars on this track are open top hoppers. Track 6 Just the end corner of an odd composite car can be seen. The steel structure reminds me of a Seley hopper. Canadian National composite gondola with what seems like a load of run-of-mine coal. Illinois Central twin offset hopper with a much finer coal load. 40-foot steel box car - GM&O? The reporting marks are not readable, but there is a recognizable (yet unreadable) banner painted to the right of the door. Rock Island Howe-truss, single-sheathed box car. Unknown refrigerator car Tall, single-sheathed door and a half 50-foot box car. Reporting marks and number are unreadable. Cars beyond this are difficult to determine. Track 7 and Beyond Past this last track, smaller details are difficult to determine. A Santa Fe herald is visible on a reefer just beyond the IC hopper on track 6. The tops of a couple of tank cars can be seen just beyond that car. Just to the left of the tank cars and back another row of cars, it looks like there may be Dominion/Fowler car. The framing structure looks similar as does the lettering placement, but positive ID cannot be made. Panning further right, a lone stock car (Northern Pacific?) and a B&O wagon top box car catch the eye. Many reefers and many single-sheathed box cars make this an interesting scene. I wish there was another image from a different angle. Eric Hansmann Morgantown, W. Va. - for now
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Re: nice paint job
jerryglow2
I think I used a Tamya paint pen
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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:
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Re: LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google
Don Worthy
That is one of the "great" shots!! It has some of every type of car. Ben could teach a class with this shot about car identification.
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I see one of those "wagon top" box cars. Guess it's B&O. It's in the distant center.
--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca> wrote:
From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@live.ca> Subject: [STMFC] LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:59 AM I'm continuing to enjoy the postings of photos from Life with many good finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere in the USofA. I'm a bit curious to know if those might be Dominion/Fowler box cars - to my eye they appear to be a similar design, but I can't see reporting marks. http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Locomotives+ source:life& prev=/images% 3Fq%3DLocomotive s%2Bsource: life%26start% 3D18%26ndsp% 3D18%26hl% 3Den%26sa% 3DN&imgurl= 499ba83230c2fb3c Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable. ....? Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page..... Rob Kirkham [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950
aikenair@...
No one has mentioned the location of these photos. I don't know whether
they were all taken at the same time and place, but hey appear to have been. However, I can recognize the landmarks in the photo below. It was taken at the B&O yards at Locust Point in Baltimore, Maryland.. _http://images.http://imaghttp://imagehttp://imahttp://imag&;<WBR>prev=/im<WBR> prev=/i<WBR>prev<WBR>pr ev=/im<WBR>prev=/i<WBR>prev=<WBR>prev=<WB&imgurl=imgurl=<WBR>7e10_ (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Tanks+source:life&;prev=/images?q=Tanks+source:life&start=40&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N&imgurl=7e102bcabc447690 ) Don Barnes Aiken, SC **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW AOL.com.(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&;icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000019)
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LIFE: Rock Island train yard filled with freig... - Hosted by Google
Robert kirkham
I'm continuing to enjoy the postings of photos from Life with many good finds. This one is a 1946 shot of a Rock Island train somewhere in the USofA. I'm a bit curious to know if those might be Dominion/Fowler box cars - to my eye they appear to be a similar design, but I can't see reporting marks. http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Locomotives+source:life&;prev=/images%3Fq%3DLocomotives%2Bsource:life%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&imgurl=499ba83230c2fb3c
Kind of makes me wonder how many of these cars are identifiable.....? Reminds me of some of the most enjoyable pages on the Steam Era Freight cars web page..... Rob Kirkham
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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
But, we stray from Steam Era Freight Cars, and I fear the wrath ofWhat's the problem? Can't we discuss tank cars here? Tom M.
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Re: LIFE - Trainscapes 1950: View from a train window.
bill_d_goat
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:
one shot that shows a yellow OB box car with the "jar" painted on the door. I'm not sure what it was called but, I'm sure that type car has been talked about on this site. That was Muncie & Western car, called The Ball Line. Muncie was the home of the maker of the glass jars used for home 'canning' that was common back then. They are still made so I guess it's still done Bill Williams
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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950
Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
I think he was referring to the T28 superheavy tank:
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<http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Tank+source:life&;prev=/images%3Fq% 3DTank%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den&imgurl=e66d525743a10a7d> There are two T28 photos in the Life images of ³tanks². There are also pictures of the T43 heavy tank (which I believe eventually became the M103). But, we stray from Steam Era Freight Cars, and I fear the wrath of the Brockmeister! -- Thanks! Brian Ehni From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo.com> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:25:16 -0800 (PST) To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950 Thanks Kurt, after I wrote "M3" and hit send, I double checked and discovered that they were in fact M5s. You're "dead on". I'll send the shot in question. I'm unaware of the T-29 - 32's. The WWII and Korea era books that I have show all Shermans, M-26, 26A1s, 46, 47 and on to M48. There is much that I've yet to learn. Thanks again Don Worthy
--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net
<mailto:fleeta%40verizon.net> > wrote: From: Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net <mailto:fleeta%40verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [STMFC] Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 7:50 PM Don, these are M5A1 light tanks, produced 1942-44. Although classified obsolete at the end of the war they were kept on hand to fill out numerical requirements until something better came along. Many of these were probably "new-old stock", held in storage at depots from the day they were built. With the fall of China to the CCP in 1949, they were no doubt sent because they could be spared. The heavy tank is probably a T29, T30, or T32. If you want to send me the URL I can ID it for you. KL ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Worthy I have really enjoyed the life photos. I do wish that the information had been better documented, although. I have so many questions concerning some of those shots. For example, the date on the photos that you have linked has 1950 but, I can't help but wonder if that is correct. The M3 Lee tanks were a relic when WWII started and were so out classed they were used for training for the most part. Also, there is a shot of a LARGE tank in the collection that I can not find any information on. I'm so glad that they are available.
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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950
Don Worthy
That is not the tank in the photo that I saw.
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But, thanks Don Worthy
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From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@att.net> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950 To: "STMFC List" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:03 PM Google is your friend: http://www.google. com/search? client=safari& rls=en-us& q=T-28+tank& ie=UTF-8& oe =UTF-8 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ T-28_Super_ Heavy_Tank -- Thanks! Brian Ehni From: Don Worthy <don_worthy@yahoo. com> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups. com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:20:03 -0800 (PST) To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups. com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950 I have really enjoyed the life photos. I do wish that the information had been better documented, although. I have so many questions concerning some of those shots. For example, the date on the photos that you have linked has 1950 but, I can't help but wonder if that is correct. The M3 Lee tanks were a relic when WWII started and were so out classed they were used for training for the most part. Also, there is a shot of a LARGE tank in the collection that I can not find any information on. I'm so glad that they are available. Don Worthy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: LIFE - Trainscapes 1950: View from a train window.
Don Worthy
Oh man, yea. There are some terrific shots in that group. There is one shot that shows a yellow OB box car with the "jar" painted on the door. I'm not sure what it was called but, I'm sure that type car has been talked about on this site.
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There are some great shots for scenery help.
--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net> Subject: [STMFC] LIFE - Trainscapes 1950: View from a train window. To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:07 PM Somebody may have already posted this, but there is a series of 40-odd *color* pictures on Google/LIFE titled: "Trainscapes 1950: View from a train window." A number of RELEVANT frieght shippers are featured, as well a steam era fright car or two. One in particular was this Koppers Coke retail facility. Who would buy coke on a retail scale? http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ l?q=trainscapes+ 1950+source: life&prev= /images%3Fq% 3Dtrainscapes% 2B1950%2Bsource: life%26hl% 3Den&imgurl= e67ae0d61d79f076 KL
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Re: Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950
Don Worthy
Thanks Kurt, after I wrote "M3" and hit send, I double checked and discovered that they were in fact M5s. You're "dead on".
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I'll send the shot in question. I'm unaware of the T-29 - 32's. The WWII and Korea era books that I have show all Shermans, M-26, 26A1s, 46, 47 and on to M48. There is much that I've yet to learn. Thanks again Don Worthy
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From: Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Light tanks and Half-tracks in gondolas and on flat cars, 1950 To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 7:50 PM Don, these are M5A1 light tanks, produced 1942-44. Although classified obsolete at the end of the war they were kept on hand to fill out numerical requirements until something better came along. Many of these were probably "new-old stock", held in storage at depots from the day they were built. With the fall of China to the CCP in 1949, they were no doubt sent because they could be spared. The heavy tank is probably a T29, T30, or T32. If you want to send me the URL I can ID it for you. KL ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Worthy I have really enjoyed the life photos. I do wish that the information had been better documented, although. I have so many questions concerning some of those shots. For example, the date on the photos that you have linked has 1950 but, I can't help but wonder if that is correct. The M3 Lee tanks were a relic when WWII started and were so out classed they were used for training for the most part. Also, there is a shot of a LARGE tank in the collection that I can not find any information on. I'm so glad that they are available. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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