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Re: "Blister panel" terminology

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

If I remember correctly Stan Rydarowicz offers resin parts for modifying a 2-bay hopper with these panels. He even cuts the
openings in the car and sells a kit.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Seeking photos of Royal Brake Regulators

Steve Haas
 

Snoqualmy(sp?)

Close, Snoqualmie.


Steve Haas
Less than 10 miles west of there, WA


Advice on C&O decals?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I'd like to add the "C&O for progress" to the covered hopper I mentioned the other night. This would
be, afaik, the earlier "steam" version of that herald, not the later more modernized version with a
straight line vs the wavy smoke line.

Could one (or more of course) of the C&O-centric members give me some OFF-LINE advice on what decals
are best for this application? Thanks.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Seeking photos of Royal Brake Regulators

te_george316
 

Mark,

I was up in Seattle last year and took some photos of a reefer (unknown type to me) at the
Snoqualmy(sp?) railroad museum that has a Royal F brake regulator. I posted them in a
folder in the photos section named Royal Brake Regulator but are being approved by the
moderators. There are 4 photos all together. 3 showing up close shots of the device itself
and mounting brackets and one of the reefer. I suppose different railroads mounted them
differently but it seems to be in a fairly standard arrangement.

Best regards,

Tom

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for photos of the Royal Brake Regulator as used on some
Santa Fe and Burlington boxcars. The cars in question are ATSF 138700-
139199, class Bx-44, and CBQ 17000-17799, class XM-32b. I think I've
found the patent drawings for the brake regulator, but I'd like some
photos to see how they were installed.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: "Blister panel" terminology

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

Can anyone point to a definitive industry (not model railroad) term
for "blister panels" - the bulging panels used on some hopper cars???

I've heard the term "offset panels" used but can't find a verifiable
source for the real name.
Marty,
I don't know how official this terminology is, but MoPac had some twin
hopper cars rebuilt in 1936 with what the MP diagram specifies as
"Paneled Sides." The diagram further states that some cars were rebuilt
with "Straight Sides."
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: 1950 ORER

Tony Higgins
 

I am doing this based on the 1955 ORER. I am listing the top 5 most
populous cars based on cubic capy listed in the recap of data in the
back of each RR section. I am listing the top 20 railroads and trying
to bias the proportions to the number of exchange points for my home
RR -also found in the recap section. I realize this is not a perfect
system since a given cubic capy may represent several different car
types but number series and inside dimensions can help stratify the
sub-types. Conversely, different builders/lots of the same design can
appear in different capy groups. Again, using rosters from sources
like RPCYC, Westerfield, Sunshine PDS, etc. help tease out where cars
of interest belong. I want to use this to guide my roster towards
cars most likely to appear and avoid over representing less likely
cars. I have already built some cars that I would not have with this
new information but I'll keep them anyway to add a bit of randomness
in the mix!

Tony Higgins


--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Aufderheide" <mononinmonon@...>
wrote:

Larry,

I'm a member of the STMFC group and have enjoyed your posts on the
breakdown of car construction and quantities. I have a printout of
a
file I believe you posted of the 1950 ORER that I have been taking
notes on. I am unable to find this files electronic source
however.
Could you e-mail it to me directly?

Based on the Gilbert/Nelson idea of boxcar distribution it should
be
possible to come up with a list of cars most likely to appear at a
given time and place. My goal is to parce through the list and come
up with a list of must-have cars. For example there were about
714,000 boxcars total in 1950. I want to have a 200 boxcar fleet
on
my layout so I need to know which cars represented at least 3,570
cars or 0.5% of the total. I've done the work by hand and want to
add it to the spreadsheet. Hopefully there are some questions that
the STMFC group can help with and those who would find this useful.

Best Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
Chicago


Re: "Blister panel" terminology

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Martin McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Can anyone point to a definitive industry (not model railroad) term
for "blister panels" - the bulging panels used on some hopper cars???

I've heard the term "offset panels" used but can't find a verifiable
source for the real name.

Should have picked up the hopper car history book when I had the
chance . . .

Thanks,

Marty
Marty,

There was, IIRC, only one supplier of these, Union Metal Products
which later became part of Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing
Co., so I would suspect what they called them was their proper name. I
have in my files two pages copied out of the CBC, 1940 I believe, and
they are titled "Paneled side with bulbed angle stakes as applied to a
50-ton hopper car", and, "Paneled sides with integral stakes as
applied to a 50-ton hopper car." The Accurail car models the later.
Lacking any further information, I'd say the proper name is "paneled
sides."

Dennis


"Blister panel" terminology

Marty McGuirk
 

Can anyone point to a definitive industry (not model railroad) term for "blister panels" - the bulging panels used on some hopper cars???

I've heard the term "offset panels" used but can't find a verifiable source for the real name.

Should have picked up the hopper car history book when I had the chance . . .

Thanks,

Marty


Re: Seeking photos of Royal Brake Regulators

Mark
 

Mark these are in the Car Builders Cyclopedia 1940 Sec.13 page 1072-1074.

Regards, Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Mark Heiden <mark_heiden@...> wrote:
From: Mark Heiden <mark_heiden@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Seeking photos of Royal Brake Regulators
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:40 PM











Hello everyone,



I'm looking for photos of the Royal Brake Regulator as used on some

Santa Fe and Burlington boxcars. The cars in question are ATSF 138700-

139199, class Bx-44, and CBQ 17000-17799, class XM-32b. I think I've

found the patent drawings for the brake regulator, but I'd like some

photos to see how they were installed.



Thanks,

Mark Heiden





























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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

Marty McGuirk
 

Forgot to add the car shown (by the way, the pre-restoration pics of
the cars with four-digit numbers and the finished restoration of 43022
are the same car). 43022 had it's roof raised a four inches to
accommodate Evans auto loaders and at point. The 1-1/2 door cars had
the same ends, just without the obvious raised section on the ends.

In my N scale days I built one of these cars with the idea of casting
it. Need to see if I can dig that model out - I don't remember how I
did it other than I used an Intermountain piece for the auto door end
and I used M-T doors.

Marty




Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

Marty McGuirk
 

The car shown in the link is an HO scale resin kit made by F&C
(originally sold by Steam Shack, currently available from F&C).

Here are some photos of the ends - it's usually easier to locate
photos of these cars by searching under "CV" instead of "GTW"

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=219608

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=809280

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=826268

Hope these help - I need to get back to work.

Marty



--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Dietrichson"
<Rdietrichson@...> wrote:

Marty,
The picture was of a car model, in the new Yahoo weathering group.
The difference in this car model, was that the car had Youndstown
doors, but the end of the car in the photo could not be seen. The
link for this picture is http://mopac51.tripod.com/id5hmtl. I hope
this clears up the confusion.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar


Where did you see the picture? If it's online a link would help.

I don't have my reference material at work but that number sounds
like it's one of the c 1928 cars built for the Central Vermont
and
GTW. It might be a CV car that was transferred to the GTW.

Ed Beaudette did an article in MR a few years ago that included
prototype drawings of the CV/GTW 1-1/2 door as built cars (CV's
41000-
series). Not sure about the accuracy of the Mainline drawings
Dennis
referred to but I do know the drawings in MR were based on
prototype
drawings and confirmed with field measurements of three surviving
cars.

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Dietrichson"
<Rdietrichson@> wrote:
>
> Denis, The car # that I've seen a model of is 583699. I hope
this
helps clear up which class I'm refering to, and again Dick thanks
for
the scan of the car.
> Rick Dietrichson
> Wilmington, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis Storzek
> To: STMFC@...
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:10 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar
>
>
> --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:19 PM, rdietrichson wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all;
> > > On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what
type of an
> > > end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class
of cars
> > > were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale
hence the
> > > question.
> > >
> > Rick, the HO scale resin kit was actually a Don Valentine
conversion
> > kit with new doors, etc. to kitbash an Accurail single
sheathed
box
> > car. I have a photo which shows the end and I'll send you a
scan off-
> > list.
> >
> > Richard Hendrickson
>
> Richard,
>
> He might mean the tall ca. 1930 cars that were drawn in Mainline
> Modeler fifteen or twnty years ago. A number series would be
helpful.
>
> Dennis
>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

Paul Krueger <kruegerp@...>
 

There was a typo in the link:
http://mopac51.tripod.com/id5.html

Here is the direct link to the picture:
http://mopac51.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tripodgtwautoboxcar.jpg

Paul
Seattle, WA

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Dietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...>
wrote:

Marty,
The picture was of a car model, in the new Yahoo weathering group.
The difference in this car model, was that the car had Youndstown
doors, but the end of the car in the photo could not be seen. The
link for this picture is http://mopac51.tripod.com/id5hmtl. I hope
this clears up the confusion.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar


Where did you see the picture? If it's online a link would help.

I don't have my reference material at work but that number sounds
like it's one of the c 1928 cars built for the Central Vermont and
GTW. It might be a CV car that was transferred to the GTW.

Ed Beaudette did an article in MR a few years ago that included
prototype drawings of the CV/GTW 1-1/2 door as built cars (CV's 41000-
series). Not sure about the accuracy of the Mainline drawings Dennis
referred to but I do know the drawings in MR were based on prototype
drawings and confirmed with field measurements of three surviving
cars.

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Dietrichson"
<Rdietrichson@> wrote:
>
> Denis, The car # that I've seen a model of is 583699. I hope this
helps clear up which class I'm refering to, and again Dick thanks for
the scan of the car.
> Rick Dietrichson
> Wilmington, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis Storzek
> To: STMFC@...
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:10 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar
>
>
> --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:19 PM, rdietrichson wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all;
> > > On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what
type of an
> > > end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class
of cars
> > > were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale
hence the
> > > question.
> > >
> > Rick, the HO scale resin kit was actually a Don Valentine
conversion
> > kit with new doors, etc. to kitbash an Accurail single sheathed
box
> > car. I have a photo which shows the end and I'll send you a
scan off-
> > list.
> >
> > Richard Hendrickson
>
> Richard,
>
> He might mean the tall ca. 1930 cars that were drawn in Mainline
> Modeler fifteen or twnty years ago. A number series would be
helpful.
>
> Dennis
>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

rdietrichson
 

Marty,
The picture was of a car model, in the new Yahoo weathering group. The difference in this car model, was that the car had Youndstown doors, but the end of the car in the photo could not be seen. The link for this picture is http://mopac51.tripod.com/id5hmtl. I hope this clears up the confusion.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:46 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar


Where did you see the picture? If it's online a link would help.

I don't have my reference material at work but that number sounds
like it's one of the c 1928 cars built for the Central Vermont and
GTW. It might be a CV car that was transferred to the GTW.

Ed Beaudette did an article in MR a few years ago that included
prototype drawings of the CV/GTW 1-1/2 door as built cars (CV's 41000-
series). Not sure about the accuracy of the Mainline drawings Dennis
referred to but I do know the drawings in MR were based on prototype
drawings and confirmed with field measurements of three surviving
cars.

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Dietrichson"
<Rdietrichson@...> wrote:
>
> Denis, The car # that I've seen a model of is 583699. I hope this
helps clear up which class I'm refering to, and again Dick thanks for
the scan of the car.
> Rick Dietrichson
> Wilmington, NC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis Storzek
> To: STMFC@...
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:10 PM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar
>
>
> --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:19 PM, rdietrichson wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all;
> > > On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what
type of an
> > > end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class
of cars
> > > were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale
hence the
> > > question.
> > >
> > Rick, the HO scale resin kit was actually a Don Valentine
conversion
> > kit with new doors, etc. to kitbash an Accurail single sheathed
box
> > car. I have a photo which shows the end and I'll send you a
scan off-
> > list.
> >
> > Richard Hendrickson
>
> Richard,
>
> He might mean the tall ca. 1930 cars that were drawn in Mainline
> Modeler fifteen or twnty years ago. A number series would be
helpful.
>
> Dennis
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: 1950 ORER

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Aufderheide" <mononinmonon@...>
wrote:

Larry,

I'm a member of the STMFC group and have enjoyed your posts on the
breakdown of car construction and quantities. I have a printout of
a
file I believe you posted of the 1950 ORER that I have been taking
notes on. I am unable to find this files electronic source
however.
Could you e-mail it to me directly?
...
Mike Aufderheide
Chicago
Hi Mike

The file you refer to is on the "Steam Era Freight Car Analysis"
Yahoo site, an overflow list for STMFC. I'll send it to you off list.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

Marty McGuirk
 

Where did you see the picture? If it's online a link would help.

I don't have my reference material at work but that number sounds
like it's one of the c 1928 cars built for the Central Vermont and
GTW. It might be a CV car that was transferred to the GTW.

Ed Beaudette did an article in MR a few years ago that included
prototype drawings of the CV/GTW 1-1/2 door as built cars (CV's 41000-
series). Not sure about the accuracy of the Mainline drawings Dennis
referred to but I do know the drawings in MR were based on prototype
drawings and confirmed with field measurements of three surviving
cars.

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "Richard Dietrichson"
<Rdietrichson@...> wrote:

Denis, The car # that I've seen a model of is 583699. I hope this
helps clear up which class I'm refering to, and again Dick thanks for
the scan of the car.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Storzek
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar


--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@>
wrote:
>
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:19 PM, rdietrichson wrote:
>
> > Hey all;
> > On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what
type of an
> > end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class
of cars
> > were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale
hence the
> > question.
> >
> Rick, the HO scale resin kit was actually a Don Valentine
conversion
> kit with new doors, etc. to kitbash an Accurail single sheathed
box
> car. I have a photo which shows the end and I'll send you a
scan off-
> list.
>
> Richard Hendrickson

Richard,

He might mean the tall ca. 1930 cars that were drawn in Mainline
Modeler fifteen or twnty years ago. A number series would be
helpful.

Dennis

>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

cinderandeight@...
 

Guys,
For others wishing to see GTW #583699, a photo of it appeared in the 1931
Car Builders Cyclopedia on page 131. It was reprinted in the Train shed
Cyclopedia #3 also. It appears to have a 3-3-3 dreadnaught end supplied at that
time by Union Metal Products (which would later morphs into Standard Railway
Equipment Co). I'm pretty sure I can come up with a Union Metal products ad
showing this end in detail if anyone would want a scan of it off site.
The car also have a lever style hand brake. It's hard to tell from the
photo which brand, possibly a Klasing or Miner.

Rich Burg
**************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making
headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)


Re: 1950 ORER (boxcar distribution)

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 07:46 PM 12/30/2008, Mike Aufderheide wrote:
<snip>
Based on the Gilbert/Nelson idea of boxcar distribution it should be
possible to come up with a list of cars most likely to appear at a
given time and place. My goal is to parce through the list and come
up with a list of must-have cars. For example there were about
714,000 boxcars total in 1950. I want to have a 200 boxcar fleet on
my layout so I need to know which cars represented at least 3,570
cars or 0.5% of the total. I've done the work by hand and want to
add it to the spreadsheet.

Mike...

I'm no statistician... but applying a linear factor to this bothers me.
Were you planning to adjust for some probability of interchange by road and/or commodity type?

Maybe even using: <<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmarkar's_algorithm>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmarkar's_algorithm> ???


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar

rdietrichson
 

Denis, The car # that I've seen a model of is 583699. I hope this helps clear up which class I'm refering to, and again Dick thanks for the scan of the car.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Storzek
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar


--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:
>
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:19 PM, rdietrichson wrote:
>
> > Hey all;
> > On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what type of an
> > end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class of cars
> > were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale hence the
> > question.
> >
> Rick, the HO scale resin kit was actually a Don Valentine conversion
> kit with new doors, etc. to kitbash an Accurail single sheathed box
> car. I have a photo which shows the end and I'll send you a scan off-
> list.
>
> Richard Hendrickson

Richard,

He might mean the tall ca. 1930 cars that were drawn in Mainline
Modeler fifteen or twnty years ago. A number series would be helpful.

Dennis

>
>
>
>


1950 ORER

Michael Aufderheide
 

Larry,

I'm a member of the STMFC group and have enjoyed your posts on the
breakdown of car construction and quantities. I have a printout of a
file I believe you posted of the 1950 ORER that I have been taking
notes on. I am unable to find this files electronic source however.
Could you e-mail it to me directly?

Based on the Gilbert/Nelson idea of boxcar distribution it should be
possible to come up with a list of cars most likely to appear at a
given time and place. My goal is to parce through the list and come
up with a list of must-have cars. For example there were about
714,000 boxcars total in 1950. I want to have a 200 boxcar fleet on
my layout so I need to know which cars represented at least 3,570
cars or 0.5% of the total. I've done the work by hand and want to
add it to the spreadsheet. Hopefully there are some questions that
the STMFC group can help with and those who would find this useful.

Best Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
Chicago


Re: Seeking photos of Royal Brake Regulators

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 30, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

I'm looking for photos of the Royal Brake Regulator as used on some
Santa Fe and Burlington boxcars. The cars in question are ATSF 138700-
139199, class Bx-44, and CBQ 17000-17799, class XM-32b. I think I've
found the patent drawings for the brake regulator, but I'd like some
photos to see how they were installed.






The brake regulators on the Santa Bx-44s were Royal Type F, and I
have a Bx-44 photo that shows how they were installed which I'll send
you off-list.

Richard Hendrickson

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