Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
135752854&id=55

"Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof;
it's the rivet pattern on the sides. ACR has nothing on this car."

Not really. Look again - this car is a bit of a throwback, with a
reivet pattern more common to that of earlier steel boxcars such as the
PRR Class X29. It'll be a bit of work (and I'll have to confirmit
agains the right kit), but you can turn two Red Caboose X29 or ARA
boxcar kits into flat kits and splice together the taller sides. You'd
have to be very carful with the cuts and seam cleanup to avoid losing
rivets. The ends were available from Sylvan.


Ben Hom

Nice rivets. But what I find interesting is the modification to the
brake platform supports to accommodate the higher brake wheel
location. I am not sure that my short, fat, fingers have the talent to
fabricate such a set of support brackets.

I wonder if one of these cars would have ever made it to Gridley,
Kansas. Somehow I doubt that one ever did.

-- BIll Keene
Irvine, CA

On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modeling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55


Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on the
sides. ACR has nothing on this car.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm? photoid=-135752854&id=55

There was an article by Brian Pate in Canadian Railway Modeller some years back on how he modelled one of these cars. CN raised the roof on these cars in late 1946 according to ORER entries.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
41099, built by Pressed Steel Car Company in March, 1929, and is also
on the National Archives of Canada/CN Images of Canada website. You
may have to copy and paste the link into your browser--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-

389222185&id=55

Steve, can you explain how to search the National Archives of Canada
web site for freight car photos like the one above on line? In other
words how did you find this link? (it's a nice one too).

Ed

On Jan 1, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?
photoid=-135752854&id=55

Since the car was originally built with 10'0" IH and 4/5 square-
cornered Dreadnaught ends, a Red Caboose auto car kit with square-
cornered ends would be a good starting point (if you can find one).
You would then have to jack up the roof by 6", which is exactly what
was done on the prototype cars.

Richard Hendrickson

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

To clarify, Stan {Rydarowicz} offers two different HO scale coversion

kits. The

first uses the Bowser Class GLA kit and models the one-of-a-kind PRR
Class GLF. The second uses the Athearn twin and models the cars

built

new (NOT rebuilds) for the Wabash.

At one time someone (Pikestuff?) offered a sprue of solid bulges that
fit the Athearn twin car. Tichy has USRA hoppers rebuilt with these
panel sides.

Ed

CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
41099, built by Pressed Steel Car Company in March, 1929, and is also
on the National Archives of Canada/CN Images of Canada website. You
may have to copy and paste the link into your browser--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-389222185&id=55

It clearly shows the use of a "Dreadnaught" 3/3/3 end on this car.

The article in CN Lines also has a builder's photo of GTW 34620, built
by AC&F in 1920/21. It was a steel-frame car, built with "Murphy" 7/8
ends. An Accurail car might be a starting point for this car?

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55

Steve Lucas.

Douglas Harding wrote:
"If I remember correctly Stan Rydarowicz offers resin parts for
modifying a 2-bay hopper with these panels. He even cuts the openings
in the car and sells a kit."

To clarify, Stan offers two different HO scale coversion kits. The
first uses the Bowser Class GLA kit and models the one-of-a-kind PRR
Class GLF. The second uses the Athearn twin and models the cars built
new (NOT rebuilds) for the Wabash.


Ben Hom

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If I remember correctly Stan Rydarowicz offers resin parts for modifying a 2-bay hopper with these panels. He even cuts the
openings in the car and sells a kit.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Snoqualmy(sp?)

Close, Snoqualmie.


Steve Haas
Less than 10 miles west of there, WA

I'd like to add the "C&O for progress" to the covered hopper I mentioned the other night. This would
be, afaik, the earlier "steam" version of that herald, not the later more modernized version with a
straight line vs the wavy smoke line.

Could one (or more of course) of the C&O-centric members give me some OFF-LINE advice on what decals
are best for this application? Thanks.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

Mark,

I was up in Seattle last year and took some photos of a reefer (unknown type to me) at the
Snoqualmy(sp?) railroad museum that has a Royal F brake regulator. I posted them in a
folder in the photos section named Royal Brake Regulator but are being approved by the
moderators. There are 4 photos all together. 3 showing up close shots of the device itself
and mounting brackets and one of the reefer. I suppose different railroads mounted them
differently but it seems to be in a fairly standard arrangement.

Best regards,

Tom

On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

Can anyone point to a definitive industry (not model railroad) term
for "blister panels" - the bulging panels used on some hopper cars???

I've heard the term "offset panels" used but can't find a verifiable
source for the real name.

Marty,
I don't know how official this terminology is, but MoPac had some twin
hopper cars rebuilt in 1936 with what the MP diagram specifies as
"Paneled Sides." The diagram further states that some cars were rebuilt
with "Straight Sides."
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

I am doing this based on the 1955 ORER. I am listing the top 5 most
populous cars based on cubic capy listed in the recap of data in the
back of each RR section. I am listing the top 20 railroads and trying
to bias the proportions to the number of exchange points for my home
RR -also found in the recap section. I realize this is not a perfect
system since a given cubic capy may represent several different car
types but number series and inside dimensions can help stratify the
sub-types. Conversely, different builders/lots of the same design can
appear in different capy groups. Again, using rosters from sources
like RPCYC, Westerfield, Sunshine PDS, etc. help tease out where cars
of interest belong. I want to use this to guide my roster towards
cars most likely to appear and avoid over representing less likely
cars. I have already built some cars that I would not have with this
new information but I'll keep them anyway to add a bit of randomness
in the mix!

Tony Higgins


--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Aufderheide" <mononinmonon@...>
wrote:

Larry,

I'm a member of the STMFC group and have enjoyed your posts on the
breakdown of car construction and quantities. I have a printout of

a

file I believe you posted of the 1950 ORER that I have been taking
notes on. I am unable to find this files electronic source

however.

Could you e-mail it to me directly?

Based on the Gilbert/Nelson idea of boxcar distribution it should

be

possible to come up with a list of cars most likely to appear at a
given time and place. My goal is to parce through the list and come
up with a list of must-have cars. For example there were about
714,000 boxcars total in 1950. I want to have a 200 boxcar fleet

on

my layout so I need to know which cars represented at least 3,570
cars or 0.5% of the total. I've done the work by hand and want to
add it to the spreadsheet. Hopefully there are some questions that
the STMFC group can help with and those who would find this useful.

Best Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
Chicago

--- In STMFC@..., Martin McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Can anyone point to a definitive industry (not model railroad) term
for "blister panels" - the bulging panels used on some hopper cars???

I've heard the term "offset panels" used but can't find a verifiable
source for the real name.

Should have picked up the hopper car history book when I had the
chance . . .

Thanks,

Marty

Marty,

There was, IIRC, only one supplier of these, Union Metal Products
which later became part of Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing
Co., so I would suspect what they called them was their proper name. I
have in my files two pages copied out of the CBC, 1940 I believe, and
they are titled "Paneled side with bulbed angle stakes as applied to a
50-ton hopper car", and, "Paneled sides with integral stakes as
applied to a 50-ton hopper car." The Accurail car models the later.
Lacking any further information, I'd say the proper name is "paneled
sides."

Dennis

Can anyone point to a definitive industry (not model railroad) term for "blister panels" - the bulging panels used on some hopper cars???

I've heard the term "offset panels" used but can't find a verifiable source for the real name.

Should have picked up the hopper car history book when I had the chance . . .

Thanks,

Marty

Mark these are in the Car Builders Cyclopedia 1940 Sec.13 page 1072-1074.

Regards, Mark Morgan

Forgot to add the car shown (by the way, the pre-restoration pics of
the cars with four-digit numbers and the finished restoration of 43022
are the same car). 43022 had it's roof raised a four inches to
accommodate Evans auto loaders and at point. The 1-1/2 door cars had
the same ends, just without the obvious raised section on the ends.

In my N scale days I built one of these cars with the idea of casting
it. Need to see if I can dig that model out - I don't remember how I
did it other than I used an Intermountain piece for the auto door end
and I used M-T doors.

Marty