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Re: hand brake locations.
Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
Rob,
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There are still a few High Hand Brakes on older cars to this day. Ron Smith Carman UPRR
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From: Robert To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: [STMFC] hand brake locations. My notes indicate that high mount hand brakes were prohibited on new cars after 1/1/67. High brakes on existing equipment lasted well into the 80s, at least. In the early 50's very few cars with high ends would have low brakes. Rob Simpson --- In STMFC@..., "Eric Carlson" <etcengineer2000@...> wrote: > > Group, > > This is most likely a easy question but I can not find the answer. I am wondering when did it become out-lawed to have the brake wheel on the top of the car? I am modeling the early 50s and wonder if I need to switch my cars over. Thanks > > Eric Carlson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1871 - Release Date: 1/1/2009 5:01 PM
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Re: hand brake locations.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
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I believe that the original question referred to the standard position of horizontal shaft brakewheels in the steam era (high) versus the current standard position (low), although it could easily have been asking for the transition from vertical shaft to horizontal shaft... As noted earlier, the former was well beyond the scope of this list. The latter is less clear. I'm not sure that there was a specific ban on vertical shaft handbrakes in the era covered by this list, as I do not see anything in the AAR interchange listing in the group files. There were some related rules, such as the requirement for geared handbrakes on new or rebuilt cars circa 1937, but I will note that there were some vertical shaft geared handbrakes... Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
On Fri, January 2, 2009 9:42 am, Larry Jackman wrote:
I left the Santa Fe in 1955 and there were still staff brakes above
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Re: hand brake locations.
Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
I left the Santa Fe in 1955 and there were still staff brakes above the roof then.
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Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@...
On Jan 2, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Eric Carlson wrote:
Group,
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hand brake locations.
Robert <riverob@...>
My notes indicate that high mount hand brakes were prohibited on new
cars after 1/1/67. High brakes on existing equipment lasted well into the 80s, at least. In the early 50's very few cars with high ends would have low brakes. Rob Simpson --- In STMFC@..., "Eric Carlson" <etcengineer2000@...> wrote: I am wondering when did it become out-lawed to have the brake wheel on the top of the car? I am modeling the early 50s and wonder if I need to switch my cars over. Thanks
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Re: Boxcab steam (was segue to CN steel auto box cars...)
B.T. Charles
The Union Freight Line in Boston used Climax steam dummies until the 44 tonners were
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purchased... Romi Romano
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hand brake locations.
Eric Carlson <etcengineer2000@...>
Group,
This is most likely a easy question but I can not find the answer. I am wondering when did it become out-lawed to have the brake wheel on the top of the car? I am modeling the early 50s and wonder if I need to switch my cars over. Thanks Eric Carlson
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Cocoa Beach
Westerfield <westerfield@...>
We will be at the RPM next week. If you want us to bring any specific kits let us know within the next 3 days. - Al Westerfield
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Re: C.N. 587350
Schuyler Larrabee
Seems like a good application . . . ;^)
SGL Maybe Archer Rivets could be used it model the Side Seam Rivets, on this car.the sides. ACR has nothing on this car.
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Re: FGEX refrigerator cars
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Thomas Baker wrote:
"I have an old kit, probably from the very early Fifties, of a Fruit Growers Express refrigerator car. Its number is 36000, and I wonder if someone out there knows when cars in that series became extinct. A few years I replaced the wood roof and ends with styrene but retained the silk-screened sides. Would such a car have been around in 1953?" Yes. There were 820 cars in FGEX 36000-37999 in 1953. See the Bill Welch FGEX Combined Special Issue of TKM/TB&OM/TS-CLM, still available for download at http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/index.htm Ben Hom
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Re: FGEX refrigerator cars
Thomas Baker
I have an old kit, probably from the very early Fifties, of a Fruit Growers Express refrigerator car. Its number is 36000, and I wonder if someone out there knows when cars in that series became extinct. A few years I replaced the wood roof and ends with styrene but retained the silk-screened sides. Would such a car have been around in 1953?
Tom
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Re: "Blister panel" terminology
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Ed Mines wrote:
"At one time someone (Pikestuff?) offered a sprue of solid bulges that fit the Athearn twin car." Pikestuff 541-4000. According to Stan, these aren't quite right for the Wabash cars, which is why he cast up correct ones in resin to go with his conversion kits. Ben Hom
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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...> wrote:
trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think Isee a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a smokestack!Here is a bit more information. Wikipedia was surprisingly unhelpful, saying only: "Steam dummies had some popularity in the first decades of railroading in the U.S., from the 1830s but passed from favor after the Civil War. It was thought that the more familiar appearance of a coach presented by a steam dummy, as compared to a conventional engine, would be less likely to frighten horses when these trains had to operate in city streets. Later it was discovered that it was actually the noise and motion of the operating gear of a steam engine that frightened horses, rather than the unfamiliar outlines of a steam engine." Well, Duh! I also disagree with their dates; we had some dummy lines in the Chicago suburbs that lasted into the 1890's. Here is a more useful link, although these engines are smaller than the one on the flatcar: http://ca.geocities.com/hamiltontransithistory@rogers.com/Dummies.html Dennis
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Re: Boxcab steam (was segue to CN steel auto box cars...)
tbarney2004
--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...> wrote:
trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think Isee a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a smokestack!These boxcab engines, I believe, were built to disguise most of the working parts when used within cities and places where they were likely to come into close contact with horses and horse-drawn wagons where the motion of exposed machinery would be likely to spook the horses. This was as well as making them look more like vehicles the horses were more familiar with and less likely to spook for that reason as well Tim Barney
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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi William and list members,
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So then this is really a small steam engine disguised in a trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think I see a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a smokestack! Thanks - Claus
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From: "William Keene" <wakeene@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars... Claus,
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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Claus,
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Not a trolley... but a street railway power unit often referred to as a steam dummy. Nice photo. Thanks for sharing. -- Bill Keene Irvine, CA
On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Claus Schlund (HGM) wrote:
Hi List Members,
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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
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Nice view of GT 40' flat 69638(?) with trolley car as a load on this site. http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1022519810&id=49 - Claus
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From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars... CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
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Re: C.N. 587350
Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
Maybe Archer Rivets could be used it model the Side Seam Rivets, on this car.
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Ron Smith Carman UPRR
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From: Schuyler Larrabee To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [STMFC] C.N. 587350 On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote: > But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for > modeling this one?? > http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55 Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on the sides. ACR has nothing on this car. SGL La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:44 AM
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Re: C.N. 587350
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=- 135752854&id=55 "Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on the sides. ACR has nothing on this car." Not really. Look again - this car is a bit of a throwback, with a reivet pattern more common to that of earlier steel boxcars such as the PRR Class X29. It'll be a bit of work (and I'll have to confirmit agains the right kit), but you can turn two Red Caboose X29 or ARA boxcar kits into flat kits and splice together the taller sides. You'd have to be very carful with the cuts and seam cleanup to avoid losing rivets. The ends were available from Sylvan. Ben Hom
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Re: C.N. 587350
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Nice rivets. But what I find interesting is the modification to the
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brake platform supports to accommodate the higher brake wheel location. I am not sure that my short, fat, fingers have the talent to fabricate such a set of support brackets. I wonder if one of these cars would have ever made it to Gridley, Kansas. Somehow I doubt that one ever did. -- BIll Keene Irvine, CA
On Jan 1, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestionsformodeling this one??http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55
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C.N. 587350
Schuyler Larrabee
On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:
But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions forhttp://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55 Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on the sides. ACR has nothing on this car. SGL La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!
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