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hand brake locations.

Robert <riverob@...>
 

My notes indicate that high mount hand brakes were prohibited on new
cars after 1/1/67. High brakes on existing equipment lasted well
into the 80s, at least.

In the early 50's very few cars with high ends would have low brakes.

Rob Simpson




--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Carlson" <etcengineer2000@...>
wrote:

Group,

This is most likely a easy question but I can not find the answer.
I am wondering when did it become out-lawed to have the brake wheel
on the top of the car? I am modeling the early 50s and wonder if I
need to switch my cars over. Thanks

Eric Carlson


Re: Boxcab steam (was segue to CN steel auto box cars...)

B.T. Charles
 

The Union Freight Line in Boston used Climax steam dummies until the 44 tonners were
purchased...

Romi Romano

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "tbarney2004" <tbarney@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@> wrote:

Hi William and list members,

So then this is really a small steam engine disguised in a
trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have
counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think I
see a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a
smokestack!

Thanks - Claus


These boxcab engines, I believe, were built to disguise most of the
working parts when used within cities and places where they were
likely to come into close contact with horses and horse-drawn wagons
where the motion of exposed machinery would be likely to spook the
horses. This was as well as making them look more like vehicles the
horses were more familiar with and less likely to spook for that
reason as well

Tim Barney


hand brake locations.

Eric Carlson <etcengineer2000@...>
 

Group,

This is most likely a easy question but I can not find the answer. I am
wondering when did it become out-lawed to have the brake wheel on the
top of the car? I am modeling the early 50s and wonder if I need to
switch my cars over. Thanks

Eric Carlson


Cocoa Beach

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We will be at the RPM next week. If you want us to bring any specific kits let us know within the next 3 days. - Al Westerfield


Re: C.N. 587350

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Seems like a good application . . . ;^)

SGL

Maybe Archer Rivets could be used it model the Side Seam Rivets, on this car.
Ron Smith
Carman UPRR

On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:
But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modeling this one??
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55
<http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55>

Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on
the
sides. ACR has nothing on this car.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: FGEX refrigerator cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Thomas Baker wrote:
"I have an old kit, probably from the very early Fifties, of a Fruit
Growers Express refrigerator car. Its number is 36000, and I wonder if
someone out there knows when cars in that series became extinct. A few
years I replaced the wood roof and ends with styrene but retained the
silk-screened sides. Would such a car have been around in 1953?"

Yes. There were 820 cars in FGEX 36000-37999 in 1953. See the Bill
Welch FGEX Combined Special Issue of TKM/TB&OM/TS-CLM, still available
for download at
http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/index.htm


Ben Hom


Re: FGEX refrigerator cars

Thomas Baker
 

I have an old kit, probably from the very early Fifties, of a Fruit Growers Express refrigerator car. Its number is 36000, and I wonder if someone out there knows when cars in that series became extinct. A few years I replaced the wood roof and ends with styrene but retained the silk-screened sides. Would such a car have been around in 1953?

Tom


Re: "Blister panel" terminology

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"At one time someone (Pikestuff?) offered a sprue of solid bulges that
fit the Athearn twin car."

Pikestuff 541-4000. According to Stan, these aren't quite right for
the Wabash cars, which is why he cast up correct ones in resin to go
with his conversion kits.


Ben Hom


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi William and list members,

So then this is really a small steam engine disguised in a
trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have
counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think I
see a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a
smokestack!

Thanks - Claus
Here is a bit more information. Wikipedia was surprisingly unhelpful,
saying only:

"Steam dummies had some popularity in the first decades of railroading
in the U.S., from the 1830s but passed from favor after the Civil War.

It was thought that the more familiar appearance of a coach presented
by a steam dummy, as compared to a conventional engine, would be less
likely to frighten horses when these trains had to operate in city
streets. Later it was discovered that it was actually the noise and
motion of the operating gear of a steam engine that frightened horses,
rather than the unfamiliar outlines of a steam engine."

Well, Duh! I also disagree with their dates; we had some dummy lines
in the Chicago suburbs that lasted into the 1890's. Here is a more
useful link, although these engines are smaller than the one on the
flatcar:

http://ca.geocities.com/hamiltontransithistory@rogers.com/Dummies.html

Dennis


Re: Boxcab steam (was segue to CN steel auto box cars...)

tbarney2004
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi William and list members,

So then this is really a small steam engine disguised in a
trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have
counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think I
see a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a
smokestack!

Thanks - Claus


These boxcab engines, I believe, were built to disguise most of the
working parts when used within cities and places where they were
likely to come into close contact with horses and horse-drawn wagons
where the motion of exposed machinery would be likely to spook the
horses. This was as well as making them look more like vehicles the
horses were more familiar with and less likely to spook for that
reason as well

Tim Barney


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi William and list members,

So then this is really a small steam engine disguised in a trolley-like carbody? I think I get it now. The wneels have
counterweights and a place to mount a connecting rod, and I think I see a tiny steam cylinder for the main drive... also a
smokestack!

Thanks - Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Keene" <wakeene@jps.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...


Claus,

Not a trolley... but a street railway power unit often referred to as
a steam dummy.

Nice photo. Thanks for sharing.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Claus Schlund (HGM) wrote:

Hi List Members,

Nice view of GT 40' flat 69638(?) with trolley car as a load on this
site.

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1022519810&id=49

- Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to
CN steel auto box cars...

CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
41099, built by Pressed Steel Car Company in March, 1929, and is
also
on the National Archives of Canada/CN Images of Canada website. You
may have to copy and paste the link into your browser--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-389222185&id=55

It clearly shows the use of a "Dreadnaught" 3/3/3 end on this car.

The article in CN Lines also has a builder's photo of GTW 34620,
built
by AC&F in 1920/21. It was a steel-frame car, built with "Murphy"
7/8
ends. An Accurail car might be a starting point for this car?

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions
for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55

Steve Lucas.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...>
wrote:

Hey all;
On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what type
of an
end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class of
cars
were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale hence the
question.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Claus,

Not a trolley... but a street railway power unit often referred to as
a steam dummy.

Nice photo. Thanks for sharing.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Claus Schlund (HGM) wrote:

Hi List Members,

Nice view of GT 40' flat 69638(?) with trolley car as a load on this
site.

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1022519810&id=49

- Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to
CN steel auto box cars...

CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
41099, built by Pressed Steel Car Company in March, 1929, and is
also
on the National Archives of Canada/CN Images of Canada website. You
may have to copy and paste the link into your browser--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-389222185&id=55

It clearly shows the use of a "Dreadnaught" 3/3/3 end on this car.

The article in CN Lines also has a builder's photo of GTW 34620,
built
by AC&F in 1920/21. It was a steel-frame car, built with "Murphy"
7/8
ends. An Accurail car might be a starting point for this car?

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions
for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55

Steve Lucas.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...>
wrote:

Hey all;
On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what type
of an
end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class of
cars
were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale hence the
question.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


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Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Nice view of GT 40' flat 69638(?) with trolley car as a load on this site.

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=1022519810&id=49

- Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...


CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
41099, built by Pressed Steel Car Company in March, 1929, and is also
on the National Archives of Canada/CN Images of Canada website. You
may have to copy and paste the link into your browser--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-389222185&id=55

It clearly shows the use of a "Dreadnaught" 3/3/3 end on this car.

The article in CN Lines also has a builder's photo of GTW 34620, built
by AC&F in 1920/21. It was a steel-frame car, built with "Murphy" 7/8
ends. An Accurail car might be a starting point for this car?

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55

Steve Lucas.



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...> wrote:

Hey all;
On the SS 1 1/2 door automobile boxcar that GTW ran, what type of an
end did this car have? I believe that a model of this class of cars
were done as a resin kit in HO, but I'm doing in N scale hence the
question.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


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Re: C.N. 587350

Ron Smith <rpsmith@...>
 

Maybe Archer Rivets could be used it model the Side Seam Rivets, on this car.
Ron Smith
Carman UPRR

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] C.N. 587350


On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:
> But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
> modeling this one??
>
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55

Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on the
sides. ACR has nothing on this car.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!






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Re: C.N. 587350

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
135752854&id=55

"Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof;
it's the rivet pattern on the sides. ACR has nothing on this car."

Not really. Look again - this car is a bit of a throwback, with a
reivet pattern more common to that of earlier steel boxcars such as the
PRR Class X29. It'll be a bit of work (and I'll have to confirmit
agains the right kit), but you can turn two Red Caboose X29 or ARA
boxcar kits into flat kits and splice together the taller sides. You'd
have to be very carful with the cuts and seam cleanup to avoid losing
rivets. The ends were available from Sylvan.


Ben Hom


Re: C.N. 587350

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Nice rivets. But what I find interesting is the modification to the
brake platform supports to accommodate the higher brake wheel
location. I am not sure that my short, fat, fingers have the talent to
fabricate such a set of support brackets.

I wonder if one of these cars would have ever made it to Gridley,
Kansas. Somehow I doubt that one ever did.

-- BIll Keene
Irvine, CA

On Jan 1, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:
But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions
for
modeling this one??
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55

Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised
roof; it's the rivet pattern on the
sides. ACR has nothing on this car.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!



C.N. 587350

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:
But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modeling this one??
http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-135752854&id=55


Seems (seams?) to me that the challenge isn't so much the raised roof; it's the rivet pattern on the
sides. ACR has nothing on this car.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

Ian Cranstone
 

On 1-Jan-09, at 11:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:
But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm? photoid=-135752854&id=55
There was an article by Brian Pate in Canadian Railway Modeller some years back on how he modelled one of these cars. CN raised the roof on these cars in late 1946 according to ORER entries.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

CN Lines Vol. 6/4 has a couple of photos of interest. One is of CV
41099, built by Pressed Steel Car Company in March, 1929, and is also
on the National Archives of Canada/CN Images of Canada website. You
may have to copy and paste the link into your browser--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
389222185&id=55

Steve, can you explain how to search the National Archives of Canada
web site for freight car photos like the one above on line? In other
words how did you find this link? (it's a nice one too).

Ed


Re: GTW 11/2 door Single sheathed boxcar--segue to CN steel auto box cars...

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 1, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

But, while we're on the subject of auto box cars, any suggestions for
modelling this one??

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?
photoid=-135752854&id=55






Since the car was originally built with 10'0" IH and 4/5 square-
cornered Dreadnaught ends, a Red Caboose auto car kit with square-
cornered ends would be a good starting point (if you can find one).
You would then have to jack up the roof by 6", which is exactly what
was done on the prototype cars.

Richard Hendrickson

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