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Re: Columbus Freight House

David Wiggs
 

Man, that is so cool! The N&W track making a curved road crossing on
the Cleveland Ave bridge above the yard. Neat!

David in Orlando

-----Original Message-----

1. Columbus Freight House
Posted by: "James F. Brewer" jfbrewer@comcast.net jamesfbrewer
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2009 6:16 am ((PST))

This was posted on the N&WHS list; I thought it might be of interest to
some here.

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/N&W%20freight%20house.htm

Jim Brewer


Re: [SSPM] Next 2 S scale kits will be ...

Jeff English
 

Jim,

At this late date I have to assume you have already settled the
question of whether the "B&O wagontop" will be an M-15k or an M-53.
While these two cars look very similar, and still completely
different from anything else, they were nonetheless quite different
from each other.

Without looking up the details, I'm not sure if the M-15k had Duryea
underframes. They were rebuilds of pre-WWOne cars, so their
underframes, even if equipped with Duryea, were completely different
from the M-53. The most visible difference was the appearance of the
side sills.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

"Jim King" <jimking3@charter.net> wrote:

The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will be a B&O
wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7
"turtleback" roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model both card is
in my hands, so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as to when
these will be available. The B&O car will be available in late Feb/early
March; the SAL car in late April/early May. The B&O car will include both
door styles (Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the revenue
years.


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Oops! My quick scanning again.

Jon Miller
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Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

thetrainman00 <thetrainman00@...>
 

The group in question isn't the steam era freight car but the steam era box car, which does seem to be dead.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div from Treichlers to Mauch Chunk during October 1968


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Don Burn
 

If you look at the lead page of the group it also says:

Group for sharing photographs, drawings or other other documentation of steam era railroad box cars, i.e. box cars built before 1960. This is not a discussion group. Members may upload JPEG or GIF photos to the FILES or PHOTO areas. Larger files may be deleted in order to conserve space. When space runs low, files will be removed according to their age (the oldest are deleted first).

Before uploading files, please create a FOLDER for yourself with your name. Then upload your files into your FOLDER. Thanks and enjoy sharing!

So I can see why there are no postings, something about it not being a discussion group!

Don Burn

----- Original Message -----
From: <SUVCWORR@aol.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?



If you look at the message history on the home page of the group, you will
see there have been no messages since Oct. 2004. I think it is pretty safe to
say it is a dead/abandoned group.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 1/5/2009 4:30:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cnjlv@yahoo.com writes:

Sorry for the off-topic message, but I was wondering if there is anyone
here on this list a member of this group? -
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraboxcars/)

I have submitted my request for membership, but haven't heard anything
in over a week, and thought that maybe someone here who is a group
member could alert the group's owner, or tell me if it's not even worth
my time to wait around to be approved.

Thanks,

Ralph Heiss
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraweathering/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LCL_Ops_Modeling/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railmarineops/


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Re: Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new Westerfield ore car)

Spen Kellogg <spenkellogg@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:

How would one replace the wheels in old CV trucks?
Would it involve drilling out the rivet?
What would replace the rivet?
Are the "journals" on CV trucks cone shaped so that today's axles will
fit and work?
Is the axle length of most of today's wheel sets close enough to CV's
to fit and operate well?
Could someone who has actually replaced wheel sets in CV trucks respond?

Gene,
I have done it. For the CV arch bar trucks I tested them on a Reboxx roll tester. Some of the CV arch bars had very good rolling characteristics. They went into my "tuned" pile. On the others I was able to twist the frames so that the wheel sets popped out. I then reamed out each journal box with THE TOOL. Reboxx wheel sets replaced the CV axles that didn't roll well. I've only done five sets so far, but they roll fine. For the Fox and passenger trucks (4 and 6 wheel), I drilled out rivets on one side. I then tapped the hole/s for 2-56 screws and reassembled the truck with short brass round head 2-56 screws. I was unable to get good rolling characteristics out of any standard needle axle (couldn't effectively ream out the journal boxes) and so used Intermountain ball bearing wheel sets. For the Fox trucks this gave acceptable, but not great, rolling characteristics. The 36" ball bearing wheel sets rolled better, and the characteristics are up to my standards (18-20 half cycles on the roll tester). I just tested a few before answering your query, and could not find any 6 wheel trucks that I had done (a few passed muster with CV wheel sets), although I think I have done a few. However, except for the arch bar trucks, I had to rely on the Intermountain ball bearing wheel sets which have the .110" treads. For what it's worth, I have had similar problems using Reboxx wheel sets on Bethlehem Car Works trucks. The screw assembly system tends to result in less than square trucks and so the needle bearings are not riding on a true and even surface. I plan to buy some samples from Bitter Creek to see how they work. By far the best rolling comes from plastic and styrene trucks with the Reboxx wheel sets. My particular favorites are the Tahoe arch bar (5' 6" wheel base) with the semi scale Intermountain wheel sets (basically a Reboxx 1.010" axle) and Trout Creek's Theilsen trucks (purchased w/o wheel sets) to which I added Reboxx wheel sets. I also have some B.T.S. 4' 6" brass arch bar trucks, but have not assembled these yet, so cannot comment on how they roll.

Spen Kellogg


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Charles Dean
 

Jon,

I think you are confusing Steam Era Freight Cars (very active) for SteamEraBOXcars (dormant)

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?


>I recently dropped my membership in that group. It sure does seem to be
>inactive.<

This group is far from inactive. Looking at my groups I see activity
within 7 days is;
4 new members
100 new messages
9 new photos

Jon Miller
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For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Wrong group, Jon. The stats you cite are for the Steam Era Freight
Cars list. The question was about the Steam Era Boxcars list.

Tom M.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

I recently dropped my membership in that group. It sure does seem
to be
inactive.<
This group is far from inactive. Looking at my groups I see
activity
within 7 days is;
4 new members
100 new messages
9 new photos

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Bitter Creek 5' wb. archbar trucks.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

The following message was received from Jeff Stone at Bitter Creek
models re: semiscale wheels in their trucks.

Denny

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jeff Stone <bittercreekmodels@silverstar.com>
Date: January 5, 2009 10:40:13 AM PST
To: Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org>
Subject: Re: Web page response

Dear Mr. Anspach:

The trucks come assembled with Kadee wheelsets (.110) and are
not offered with the Code 88 wheel tread at this time. The truck
sideframe castings, which are a pewter alloy, are soldered to the
truck bolster. I am sorry, but I am afraid there is no easy way to
change out the wheelset. I cannot recommend bending the sideframe
to remove and replace the wheelset as it may result in breakage of
the sideframe. If I can be of further assistance please let me
know. Thank you for your interest.

Regards,

Jeff Stone
Bitter Creek Models



At 08:09 AM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
Hello-

Are your trucks available with wheels with .088" wide treads, and if
not, are the trucks assembled in a manner that the wheel sets could
be
easily changed out?

Thank you so very much.


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento




Next 2 S scale kits will be ...

Jim King
 

The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will be a B&O
wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7 "turtleback"
roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model both card is in my hands,
so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as to when these will be
available. The B&O car will be available in late Feb/early March; the SAL
car in late April/early May. The B&O car will include both door styles
(Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the revenue years.



These kits have no negative effect on the planned GE 70-tonner project,
which has been delayed due to motor availability problems (since resolved).



Target retail prices for both kits is $80 each, including trucks, couplers
and decals.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I recently dropped my membership in that group. It sure does seem to be inactive.<
This group is far from inactive. Looking at my groups I see activity within 7 days is;
4 new members
100 new messages
9 new photos

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

thetrainman00 <thetrainman00@...>
 

I recently dropped my membership in that group. It sure does seem to be inactive.
,_._,___
Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ L&S Div from Treichlers to Mauch Chunk during October 1968


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Mitchell Mercante
 

Ralph,
 
My guess is it is inactive.  No messages posted since 2004 (a total of 3 messages that year).
 
Regards,
 
Mitch Mercante

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Ralph Heiss <cnjlv@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ralph Heiss <cnjlv@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 3:29 PM

Sorry for the off-topic message, but I was wondering if there is anyone
here on this list a member of this group? -
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraboxcars/)

I have submitted my request for membership, but haven't heard anything
in over a week, and thought that maybe someone here who is a group
member could alert the group's owner, or tell me if it's not even worth

my time to wait around to be approved.

Thanks,

Ralph Heiss
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraweathering/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LCL_Ops_Modeling/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railmarineops/


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Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Ralph Heiss
 

Sorry for the off-topic message, but I was wondering if there is anyone
here on this list a member of this group? -
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraboxcars/)

I have submitted my request for membership, but haven't heard anything
in over a week, and thought that maybe someone here who is a group
member could alert the group's owner, or tell me if it's not even worth
my time to wait around to be approved.

Thanks,

Ralph Heiss
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraweathering/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LCL_Ops_Modeling/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railmarineops/


Beef Trust

Adrian Hundhausen
 

Fine, Anthony, thank you for the clarification. And perhaps you
could help me out here. I have been looking for a list of the
Private Car Lines run by Armour in the era just before the 1902-
onwards period that you are talking about, not least because a model
of a given Armour reefer (aka the Heinz cars) could possibly serve as
a model for cars lettered for numerous 'lines'. That would JUST
squeak into the time frame covered by this list, and until now I have
not been able to find a complete list, although I believe John White
mentioned the number 17 (of lines) along with maybe 12000 cars?

I know that Armour ran Kansas City Dressed Beef Line, and I believe
that they ran Fruit Growers' Express (TOC version) and I suspect they
also owned Continental Fruit Express. What other lines am I
missing? And by the way, I stole the term Beef Trust from White's
reefer book and I believe he used it to refer to Armour. Perhaps I
misunderstood him and he was only referring to the post-1902
situation. I would be happy for a further clarification.

Thanks in advance,
Adrian Hundhausen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

adrian hundhausen wrote:
If I could add to what Al said earlier: The Heinz cars were
leased
from the Beef Trust (=Armour) . . .
I think this is poor terminology. The "Beef Trust" was the
nickname given to the attempt, in 1902, by Swift, Armour and Morris
to
form the National Packing Company; it was soon dissolved by the
Supreme
Court. Serious refrigerator car operations for meat shipping were
begun
more than 20 years earlier by Swift, soon joined by Armour and
Hammond
(the Morris firm was the fourth of the "Big Four" meat packers). If
cars were leased from Armour, let's just say so.

In the mid-90s the beef trust started buying reefers . . .
Again, there was no "Beef Trust" until 1902, and in any
event the
"Big Four" bought somewhat different reefers for their own fleets.
I
believe Adrian is over-generalizing about meat reefers.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Californai Locomotive Works

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Michels wrote:
Does anyone know what ever happened to this decal company? Does anyone know
if there is someone to contact about the steam-era locomotive decals they
produced?
My earlier reply was erroneous. San Juan Decals obtained the Calif. Loco. Works decals, and can be contacted to purchase them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Trucks for Heinz cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

adrian hundhausen wrote:
If I could add to what Al said earlier: The Heinz cars were leased from the Beef Trust (=Armour) . . .
I think this is poor terminology. The "Beef Trust" was the nickname given to the attempt, in 1902, by Swift, Armour and Morris to form the National Packing Company; it was soon dissolved by the Supreme Court. Serious refrigerator car operations for meat shipping were begun more than 20 years earlier by Swift, soon joined by Armour and Hammond (the Morris firm was the fourth of the "Big Four" meat packers). If cars were leased from Armour, let's just say so.

In the mid-90s the beef trust started buying reefers . . .
Again, there was no "Beef Trust" until 1902, and in any event the "Big Four" bought somewhat different reefers for their own fleets. I believe Adrian is over-generalizing about meat reefers.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Trucks for Heinz cars

Adrian Hundhausen
 

If I could add to what Al said earlier: The Heinz cars were leased from
the Beef Trust (=Armour) and as such ran on various trucks. The Beef
Trust cars built between 1885 and about 1893 are the 34' cars with end
ladders and mostly outside end sills (Heinz numbers mostly in the low
400s), and ran on 4-wheel swing motion trucks like the On-Trak model Al
mentioned or the Bitter Creek Models T-11 4-hole swing motion truck.

In the mid-90s the beef trust started buying reefers with inside end
sill and ladders on the end OR the side, and those that ended up with
Heinz (some in the 300s and others in the high 400s I think) seem to
have run on 5'6" arch bars. There doesn't seem to be a standard design
for these arch bar trucks, various similar but not identical ones show
up in the photos from after 1900 and there are various HO scale trucks
that are close, like the Tahoe Models truck or again Bitter Creek
Models T-6 5'6" standard arch bar. Never ceases to amaze me how many
different kinds of arch bar trucks were out there.

Perhaps this was all covered in the Heinz forum/ newsletter which was
published a ways back, and if so it was probably covered better.

Adrian Hundhausen


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

SUVCWORR@...
 

If you look at the message history on the home page of the group, you will
see there have been no messages since Oct. 2004. I think it is pretty safe to
say it is a dead/abandoned group.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 1/5/2009 4:30:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cnjlv@yahoo.com writes:

Sorry for the off-topic message, but I was wondering if there is anyone
here on this list a member of this group? -
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraboxcars/)

I have submitted my request for membership, but haven't heard anything
in over a week, and thought that maybe someone here who is a group
member could alert the group's owner, or tell me if it's not even worth
my time to wait around to be approved.

Thanks,

Ralph Heiss
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steameraweathering/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LCL_Ops_Modeling/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/railmarineops/


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Re: Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new Westerfield ore car)

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Would it involve drilling out the rivet? What would replace the rivet?<
I've done this with passenger truck and I replaced the rivet with a screw. Requires tapping one of the parts, forgot which.

a lot of very good, free-rolling,
accurately detailed trucks ------Why bother with CV
trucks?<
Exactly! I think TMW will eventually make everything we ever need <G>!

Jon Miller
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For me time has stopped in 1941
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