Date   

SN On-line update

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

I am pleased to announce that a new story has been posted to SN On-line, this time on maintenance-of-way equipment. It includes six photos. In addition, I have some small, but interesting updates to several of the other stories. As always, your corrections, additions or kudos are welcome. Please drop by at: http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/home.html .

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Loose coal in boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck, do you know if any of the D&H single sheathed cars
modified with bottom outlets (e.g. Tichy USRA kit) was ever
used in anthracite service? I think the cars were assigned
normally to bulk cement service.

Tim O'Connor

I only actually saw anthracite coal loaded in a DL&W stock car once; it was probably during WW2. The car had the spaces between the slats boarded up and the car was lettered "for coal loading only."

But loading of anthracite into box cars was very common. I have a D&H report of cars supplied to collieries and mines during August of 1931 and it shows and average of 1200 empty cars supplied per day. Of these the daily average of box cars was 49. All the box cars went to three Hudson Coal Co. workings and at least one of these was equipped with a facility that tipped the box cars along the central axis so coal could be run into the ends of the car.

Anthracite for market was washed and uniform in size so a box car loaded with it could be jsut swept out and could be used for most any other service, except possibly bulk grain.

While I don't really know, I think bulk anthracite in box cars was shipped to small industries such as creameries that had no facilities for dumping hopper or other bottom unloading cars. For them the chice was gondolas or box cars. Depending on the storage at the industry, it probably was easier to unload a box car with wheel barrows that to shovel it over the side of gondola cars.

I have no knowledge of how things were done in the bituminous industry.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: Loose coal in boxcars

drgwrail
 

I only actually saw anthracite coal loaded in a DL&W stock car once; it was probably during WW2. The car had the spaces between the slats boarded up and the car was lettered "for coal loading only."

But loading of anthracite into box cars was very common. I have a D&H report of cars supplied to collieries and mines during August of 1931 and it shows and average of 1200 empty cars supplied per day. Of these the daily average of box cars was 49.  All the box cars went to three Hudson Coal Co. workings and at least one of these was equipped with a favility that tipped the box cars along the central axis so coal could be run into the ends of the car.

Anthracite for market was washed and uniform in size so a box car loaded with it could be jsut swept out and could be used for most any other service, except possibly bulk grain.

While I don't really know, I think bulk anthracite in  box cars was shipped to small industries such as creameries that had no facilities for dumping hopper or other bottom unloading cars. For them the chice was gondolas or box cars. Depending on the storage at the industry, it probably was easier to unload a box car with wheel barrows that to shovel it over the side of gondola cars.

I have no knowledge of how things were done in the bituminous industry.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO




________________________________
From: "MDelvec952@aol.com" <MDelvec952@aol.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:34:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Loose coal in boxcars



On "The Road of Anthracite," coal was delivered locally in DL&W stock cars with the openings in the car sides filled in with boards to a height of about four feet. The few pictures that show this have been from the '30s and '40s just around Scranton, Pa., so this practice may not have lasted much beyond WWII on DL&W.? Chuck Yungkirth remembers the practice as a boy.

Seeing that photo in the link, I was thinking?that may have been an L.C.L. situation as well.

???????????? ???? ....Mike Del Vecchio

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@mchsi. com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:19 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Coal in boxcar

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote:


It was a revelation to me to see that bulk coal was sometimes
shipped in box cars. I knew that bagged coal often came in box cars
but had no idea that bulk coal also came that way. Was that a fairly
common practice. I doubt that the car depicted in the photo would
ever again have been used in grain service or would it?

Tom
Why not? Grain needs to be screened after it's milled, and any coal
dust would go away with the chaff.

It's milled flour that needed clean cars.

Dennis

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Denny's Speedo

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

While ever so slightly out of scope...although the issue is strongly associated with the RPM Meet Prototype Rails...I will note for those concerned that I have instructed the Hilton Hotel staff to be on the lookout for Denny in his speedo [ how could they miss him? ]. In the event that he does make an appearance so emblazoned, he will be escorted forthwith down the street to the Inner Room where he will no doubt be a star attraction.

Current weather forecast for Brevard County, FL:

Sunny Thursday through Sunday. Highs: Thursday: 72�, Friday: 71�, Sat: 75�, Sun: 70�.

Cocoa Beach will be about 3 degrees warmer. The Hilton area will be slightly warmer than that due to hot air being generated from within.

Mike Brock


Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

I do. My girlfriend is coming with me to Cocoa Beach (Buffalo in
January vs. Florida, wasn't a tough choice) and I don't want her
introduction to the other rivet counting fanatics to be Denny in a
Speedo! :-)
Denny has threathened us with this before. It's just his way of having
the pool and hotel lobby to himself.

Tom Madden


Re: Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I do. My girlfriend is coming with me to Cocoa Beach (Buffalo in January vs.
Florida, wasn't a tough choice) and I don't want her introduction to the
other rivet counting fanatics to be Denny in a Speedo! :-)

BRian Carlson

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:36:25 -0500, Schuyler Larrabee wrote

I don't much care if Denny wears a Speedo, just as long as that's
not ALL he wears below the waist!

SGL


Re: Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don't much care if Denny wears a Speedo, just as long as that's not ALL he wears below the waist!

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John F. Cizmar
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:11 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West

Dr. Denny,
If you are the same guy I saw in the motorcar video, you shouldn't wear a speedo. Maybe the
muscle shirts and stickon
tatoos.
John Cizmar

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, tbarney2004 <tbarney@hvc.rr.com <mailto:tbarney%40hvc.rr.com> > wrote:

From: tbarney2004 <tbarney@hvc.rr.com <mailto:tbarney%40hvc.rr.com> >
Subject: [STMFC] Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:55 PM

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Denny Anspach <danspach@.. .> wrote:

Replacing wheels in CV trucks is pretty straight forward, but perhaps
not a straight forward as one might wish. I have replaced CV wheels
with Reboxx and some ball bearing wheels in perhaps 30 or so truck
pairs over the years. I have had a very few distintegrate as Jack
Burgess describes, but to a surprisingly low number, given their age
and composition. I suspect that he received his cache of trucks from
a single bad batch.

Because of casting variations (or inherent variations in the casting
patterns), the best wheel set pairs can vary, even within one single
truck. The other "odd man out" is that George Hook, who founded CV
had his own ideas about bearing holes, and they are of a steeper angle
than the time honored industry standard of about 15º. Nevertheless,
replacing the wheels can be very rewarding, and you can end up with a
fine running truck.

Now, regrettably, although I have converted a number of the CV
archbars, for reasons mysterious to me, I have never recorded on THIS
computer just what the ideal Reboxx replacements were, and how they
performed. I believe that the data may be at home (I am at the moment
fully sated with a heavenly Crayfish Etoufee dinner consumed in a
slightly raffish Savannah, GA waterfront restaurant. Sorry, fellas).

Now, I am getting out my Speedo, my muscle shirts, and my stick-on
tattoos so that I can arrive in style at Cocoa Beach tomorrow.

Denny




Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento
Make sure nobody gets any pictures of Denny please! <G> I'd rather
watch a last of it's kind steam era freight car (mandatory content)
get torched than see any man in a speedo!

Tim Barney

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Freight car photos

mcindoefalls
 

Here is a small group of good quality steam era photos.

Miscellaneous rolling stock:
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/mrs.html

Santa Fe rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr.html

SP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/spr.html

UP rolling stock (not all freight):
http://www.snowcrest.net/photobob/upr.html

enjoy,
Walt Lankenau


CNJ Covered Hoppers

Jonathan MARCUS
 

I want to two-rail one of the nice Lionel short Pullman Standard covered hoppers. They do a
great CNJ version in red with the coastguard stripes. This has of course eight round hatch
covers. The only similar cars I can find photos of in this paint scheme have square hatches. Is
there any CNJ expert out there who could clarify if the Lionel car is correct? Many thanks.
Jon M


Latest SCL Modeler Magazine Posted

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
The latest edition of the Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler e-zine is available for download at http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/currentissue/sclmv2n4f.PDF
 
Hope you enjoy it.
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: Beef Trust

Adrian Hundhausen
 

Thanks for that partial list Tony, that is more than I knew before.
If you run across the rest of the names I would love to have them. I
have a scan of p. 19 of White's reefer book because of the picture,
and I think the text there misled me.

In any case I believe that in the late 1890s there was a more or less
standard 34' reefer that Armour was buying/building for its lines,
with inside end sill and a 6-rung side ladder. Cars from acquired
lines would of course differ, but I wouldn't be surprised if, taken
together, the outside-end-sill-with-5-rung-end-ladder model I spoke
of earlier and the 'standard' late-90s model I am positing here
accounted for a majority of the 12000 cars running on those 17
lines.

I know absolutely nothing about Hammond, Swift, or Morris cars beyond
what I have seen in a couple of photos.

Best,
Adrian
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

adrian hundhausen wrote:
Fine, Anthony, thank you for the clarification. And perhaps you
could
help me out here. I have been looking for a list of the Private
Car
Lines run by Armour in the era just before the 1902-
onwards period . . .
Among the lines absorbed by Armour by 1895 were Continental
Fruit
Express; the Goodell Line; Kansas City Fruit Express; Fruit Dealers
Despatch; California Fruit Express; and Fruit Growers Express.
These
were larger operations, and there were about a dozen smaller ones
also
absorbed in 1895. I don't have all my research notes from the PFE
book
handy or I would list the entire group.

And by the way, I stole the term Beef Trust from White's reefer
book
and I believe he used it to refer to Armour.
Perhaps you did, but I can't find it in my copy of the
Great
Yellow Fleet. Can you be more specific?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new Westerfield ore car)

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:
Twenty years later, I discovered that the castings on
probably half of them had disintegrated.
Ouch! That is bad news, indeed!

Gene Green


Re: Steam Era Box Cars Yahoo Group?

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Don. It's nice to know at least one person knows
how to read group descriptions.

The "box cars" group was created at a time when Yahoo
was very restrictive on storage space for photos, data
files, etc. There's no reason to delete the group, but
it's still only there for sharing data and photos.

I got my cable service restored today, after losing it
for almost 4 weeks due to an ice storm. Hopefully the
next ice storm won't be so dreadful. Florida is looking
better every day...

Tim O'Connor
Steam Era Box Cars owner

If you look at the lead page of the group it also says:

Group for sharing photographs, drawings or other other documentation of
steam era railroad box cars, i.e. box cars built before 1960. This is not a
discussion group. Members may upload JPEG or GIF photos to the FILES or
PHOTO areas. Larger files may be deleted in order to conserve space. When
space runs low, files will be removed according to their age (the oldest are
deleted first).

Before uploading files, please create a FOLDER for yourself with your name.
Then upload your files into your FOLDER. Thanks and enjoy sharing!

So I can see why there are no postings, something about it not being a
discussion group!

Don Burn


Re: Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West

John F. Cizmar
 

Dr. Denny,
If you are the same guy I saw in the motorcar video, you shouldn't wear a speedo.  Maybe the muscle shirts and stickon tatoos.
John Cizmar

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, tbarney2004 <tbarney@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

From: tbarney2004 <tbarney@hvc.rr.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:55 PM






--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Denny Anspach <danspach@.. .> wrote:

Replacing wheels in CV trucks is pretty straight forward, but perhaps
not a straight forward as one might wish. I have replaced CV wheels
with Reboxx and some ball bearing wheels in perhaps 30 or so truck
pairs over the years. I have had a very few distintegrate as Jack
Burgess describes, but to a surprisingly low number, given their age
and composition. I suspect that he received his cache of trucks from
a single bad batch.

Because of casting variations (or inherent variations in the casting
patterns), the best wheel set pairs can vary, even within one single
truck. The other "odd man out" is that George Hook, who founded CV
had his own ideas about bearing holes, and they are of a steeper angle
than the time honored industry standard of about 15º. Nevertheless,
replacing the wheels can be very rewarding, and you can end up with a
fine running truck.

Now, regrettably, although I have converted a number of the CV
archbars, for reasons mysterious to me, I have never recorded on THIS
computer just what the ideal Reboxx replacements were, and how they
performed. I believe that the data may be at home (I am at the moment
fully sated with a heavenly Crayfish Etoufee dinner consumed in a
slightly raffish Savannah, GA waterfront restaurant. Sorry, fellas).

Now, I am getting out my Speedo, my muscle shirts, and my stick-on
tattoos so that I can arrive in style at Cocoa Beach tomorrow.

Denny




Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento
Make sure nobody gets any pictures of Denny please! <G> I'd rather
watch a last of it's kind steam era freight car (mandatory content)
get torched than see any man in a speedo!

Tim Barney


















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Smoky Mountain Model Works To Do B&O Wagontop in S Scale!

kensington3121
 

Jim, wonderful news! Paul S.

In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:23:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jimking3@charter.net writes:




The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will be a B&O
wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7 "turtleback"
roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model both card is in my hands,
so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as to when these will be
available. The B&O car will be available in late Feb/early March; the SAL
car in late April/early May. The B&O car will include both door styles
(Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the revenue years.

These kits have no negative effect on the planned GE 70-tonner project,
which has been delayed due to motor availability problems (since resolved).

Target retail prices for both kits is $80 each, including trucks, couplers
and decals.

Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmowww.smokywww

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Re: Beef Trust

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

adrian hundhausen wrote:
Fine, Anthony, thank you for the clarification. And perhaps you could help me out here. I have been looking for a list of the Private Car Lines run by Armour in the era just before the 1902-
onwards period . . .
Among the lines absorbed by Armour by 1895 were Continental Fruit Express; the Goodell Line; Kansas City Fruit Express; Fruit Dealers Despatch; California Fruit Express; and Fruit Growers Express. These were larger operations, and there were about a dozen smaller ones also absorbed in 1895. I don't have all my research notes from the PFE book handy or I would list the entire group.

And by the way, I stole the term Beef Trust from White's reefer book and I believe he used it to refer to Armour.
Perhaps you did, but I can't find it in my copy of the Great Yellow Fleet. Can you be more specific?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: [SSPM] Next 2 S scale kits will be ... - underframe photos

jc2fl
 

I have posted photos, including underframes, of existing M-53, M-15NA,
and M-15PD cars at

www.flickr.com/photos/b_and_o_boxcars

. The photos were taken at Parrish FL. The cars have since been
moved to Willow FL.

John Cantlay

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "boyds1949" <E27ca@...> wrote:

Jeff, Jim,

M-53 and subclasses had the Duryea underframes.

M-15K used the original underframe from the cars they were rebult
from. In 1955 and 1956, they were again rebuilt with new underframes
(or at least new center sills) and reclassed to M-15N, NA, and P.

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff English" <englij@> wrote:

Jim,

At this late date I have to assume you have already settled the
question of whether the "B&O wagontop" will be an M-15k or an M-
53.
While these two cars look very similar, and still completely
different from anything else, they were nonetheless quite different
from each other.

Without looking up the details, I'm not sure if the M-15k had
Duryea
underframes. They were rebuilds of pre-WWOne cars, so their
underframes, even if equipped with Duryea, were completely
different
from the M-53. The most visible difference was the appearance of
the
side sills.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

"Jim King" <jimking3@> wrote:

The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will
be a B&O
wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7
"turtleback" roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model
both card is
in my hands, so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as
to when
these will be available. The B&O car will be available in late
Feb/early
March; the SAL car in late April/early May. The B&O car will
include both
door styles (Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the
revenue
years.


Re: Beef Trust

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Armour


   Armour Ref line


   Fruit Growers Exp


   Barbaroso Ref  L


   Tropocana R Exp


   Kansas City F Ex

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, adrian hundhausen <dnaldimodaroloc@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: adrian hundhausen <dnaldimodaroloc@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Beef Trust
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:25 PM






Fine, Anthony, thank you for the clarification. And perhaps you
could help me out here. I have been looking for a list of the
Private Car Lines run by Armour in the era just before the 1902-
onwards period that you are talking about, not least because a model
of a given Armour reefer (aka the Heinz cars) could possibly serve as
a model for cars lettered for numerous 'lines'. That would JUST
squeak into the time frame covered by this list, and until now I have
not been able to find a complete list, although I believe John White
mentioned the number 17 (of lines) along with maybe 12000 cars?

I know that Armour ran Kansas City Dressed Beef Line, and I believe
that they ran Fruit Growers' Express (TOC version) and I suspect they
also owned Continental Fruit Express. What other lines am I
missing? And by the way, I stole the term Beef Trust from White's
reefer book and I believe he used it to refer to Armour. Perhaps I
misunderstood him and he was only referring to the post-1902
situation. I would be happy for a further clarification.

Thanks in advance,
Adrian Hundhausen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@.. .> wrote:

adrian hundhausen wrote:
If I could add to what Al said earlier: The Heinz cars were
leased
from the Beef Trust (=Armour) . . .
I think this is poor terminology. The "Beef Trust" was the
nickname given to the attempt, in 1902, by Swift, Armour and Morris
to
form the National Packing Company; it was soon dissolved by the
Supreme
Court. Serious refrigerator car operations for meat shipping were
begun
more than 20 years earlier by Swift, soon joined by Armour and
Hammond
(the Morris firm was the fourth of the "Big Four" meat packers). If
cars were leased from Armour, let's just say so.

In the mid-90s the beef trust started buying reefers . . .
Again, there was no "Beef Trust" until 1902, and in any
event the
"Big Four" bought somewhat different reefers for their own fleets.
I
believe Adrian is over-generalizing about meat reefers.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history














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Central Valley trucks (was Re: 5' wheelbase trucks for new West

tbarney2004
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:

Replacing wheels in CV trucks is pretty straight forward, but perhaps
not a straight forward as one might wish. I have replaced CV wheels
with Reboxx and some ball bearing wheels in perhaps 30 or so truck
pairs over the years. I have had a very few distintegrate as Jack
Burgess describes, but to a surprisingly low number, given their age
and composition. I suspect that he received his cache of trucks from
a single bad batch.

Because of casting variations (or inherent variations in the casting
patterns), the best wheel set pairs can vary, even within one single
truck. The other "odd man out" is that George Hook, who founded CV
had his own ideas about bearing holes, and they are of a steeper angle
than the time honored industry standard of about 15º. Nevertheless,
replacing the wheels can be very rewarding, and you can end up with a
fine running truck.

Now, regrettably, although I have converted a number of the CV
archbars, for reasons mysterious to me, I have never recorded on THIS
computer just what the ideal Reboxx replacements were, and how they
performed. I believe that the data may be at home (I am at the moment
fully sated with a heavenly Crayfish Etoufee dinner consumed in a
slightly raffish Savannah, GA waterfront restaurant. Sorry, fellas).

Now, I am getting out my Speedo, my muscle shirts, and my stick-on
tattoos so that I can arrive in style at Cocoa Beach tomorrow.

Denny




Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento
Make sure nobody gets any pictures of Denny please! <G> I'd rather
watch a last of it's kind steam era freight car (mandatory content)
get torched than see any man in a speedo!

Tim Barney


Re: [SSPM] Next 2 S scale kits will be ...

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

Jeff, Jim,

M-53 and subclasses had the Duryea underframes.

M-15K used the original underframe from the cars they were rebult
from. In 1955 and 1956, they were again rebuilt with new underframes
(or at least new center sills) and reclassed to M-15N, NA, and P.

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff English" <englij@...> wrote:

Jim,

At this late date I have to assume you have already settled the
question of whether the "B&O wagontop" will be an M-15k or an M-
53.
While these two cars look very similar, and still completely
different from anything else, they were nonetheless quite different
from each other.

Without looking up the details, I'm not sure if the M-15k had
Duryea
underframes. They were rebuilds of pre-WWOne cars, so their
underframes, even if equipped with Duryea, were completely
different
from the M-53. The most visible difference was the appearance of
the
side sills.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

"Jim King" <jimking3@...> wrote:

The next (2) S scale resin kits . in order of appearance . will
be a B&O
wagontop box (maybe with the Duryea underframe) and the SAL B7
"turtleback" roof box. All of the info required to CAD-model
both card is
in my hands, so it's just a matter of time to devote to design as
to when
these will be available. The B&O car will be available in late
Feb/early
March; the SAL car in late April/early May. The B&O car will
include both
door styles (Creco and Youngstown) to cover the majority of the
revenue
years.

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