Hi Rupert,

Thanks for the information. What sort of trucks are the type 81? I've
got a fairly clear shot of CBQ 18471, and it has trucks that look
very much like an ASF A-3 ride control. Does the type 81 look similar
to an ASF A-3?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

Mark

To broaden your target for photos, other cars in class XM-32C were
18700-19399 (built 1951), C&S 1250-1499 (built 1950-1) and FW&D

9001-9250

(built 1951).

With the exception 18400-699 (which were built with truck type

81,) the

XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride control

version)

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699

Mark

A photo of CB&Q 18675 shows AJAX handbrake and APEX (grid style)
running board and brake step. Bracket-style grab irons. Also, no
poling pockets. The trucks are in shadow and can't be identified.

Tim O'Connor

I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ

18400-

18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a

few

questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me:

1) What running boards these cars were built with?

2) What handbrakes were used?

3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one

photo that

may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am

not

certain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Marklin offered these in sets of ten, with about that many

different

UP lettering schemes, every one with all-yellow lettering.

I picked up a boxed set of 20 of the Trix 40' UP boxcars when "the
price was right". There are four different basic schemes including
the early white and yellow "Road of the Streamliners".

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Mark

To broaden your target for photos, other cars in class XM-32C were 18700-19399 (built 1951), C&S 1250-1499 (built 1950-1) and FW&D 9001-9250 (built 1951).

With the exception 18400-699 (which were built with truck type 81,) the XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride control version)

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

Mark

A photo of CB&Q 18675 shows AJAX handbrake and APEX (grid style)
running board and brake step. Bracket-style grab irons. Also, no
poling pockets. The trucks are in shadow and can't be identified.

Tim O'Connor

Hello everyone,

I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ 18400-
18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a few
questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me:

1) What running boards these cars were built with?

2) What handbrakes were used?

3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one photo that
may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am not
certain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Thanks Tom,

I couldn't manage Cocoa this year either - maybe next. In any event, those temperatures don't seem to hard to manage. But I take your point - I'll wait for the RMC article to be published.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:25 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar

Rob Kirkham asked:

Tom, that's interesting as I have some of these cars to work on too.
I wonder about what temperature your ultrasonic cleaner raises the
temperature of the cleaning fluid to? I don't have one, but could
raise the temperature in other less sophisticated ways (in a closed
container - I don't think the fumes are a good idea to have around).

It was only warm - maybe 80 to 85 F. Ted's article is supposed to be in
the February RMC which should be showing up any day. I didn't do Cocoa
Beach this year so can't ask Ted if he has any particular hints, and I
suspect he and many of the STMFC "names" at Cocoa Beach are off-list
for the duration.

Tom Madden



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Yahoo! Groups Links

Are these O-scale or H0?

Al Kresse

Dave,

Couldn't find it.
Can you please give me  link?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/heyst/




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Rob Kirkham asked:

Tom, that's interesting as I have some of these cars to work on too.
I wonder about what temperature your ultrasonic cleaner raises the
temperature of the cleaning fluid to? I don't have one, but could
raise the temperature in other less sophisticated ways (in a closed
container - I don't think the fumes are a good idea to have around).

It was only warm - maybe 80 to 85 F. Ted's article is supposed to be in
the February RMC which should be showing up any day. I didn't do Cocoa
Beach this year so can't ask Ted if he has any particular hints, and I
suspect he and many of the STMFC "names" at Cocoa Beach are off-list
for the duration.

Tom Madden

Tom, that's interesting as I have some of these cars to work on too. I wonder about what temperature your ultrasonic cleaner raises the temperature of the cleaning fluid to? I don't have one, but could raise the temperature in other less sophisticated ways (in a closed container - I don't think the fumes are a good idea to have around).

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:08 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar

...

That did the trick, but it wasn't straightforward. Soaking for half
an hour and scrubbing with an old toothbrush eventually took off the
large UNION PACIFIC and BE SPECIFIC lettering pretty cleanly, but the
smaller lettering was unmoved. So, into the ultrasonic cleaner and,
once the energy of the ultrasonic had heated the Wash Away, the
lettering and all the paint literally blew off the shell. (I put the
Wash Away in a tall jar, and put that into the ultrasonic cleaner,
which had a couple inches of water in it.) So now I'm removing the
roof from the model and will replace it with a correct IMWX/Red
Caboose roof.

...

Guess I'll strip and reletter my Trix A-50-19 while I'm at it.

Tom Madden

On Jan 9, 2009, at 5:14 PM, devansprr wrote:

Four of the schemes fit my WWII era, assuming a few UP boxcars would
still be out there without the yellow script messages on the side
("Route of the streamliners"?).

Dave,
A "few" UP box cars wouldn't be prototypical since UP had only one car
of this type, number 182500, B-50-18, built 5-36. Builder's photos
appear on pages 77-78 in Terry Metcalfe's book Union Pacific Freight
Cars as well as a broadside view in Ted's 1932 ARA box car book.
Perhaps someone knows of an in-service photo of the car having train
slogans, but it wasn't published in either of these books. The
builder's photo shows a simple scheme lacking any slogans.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Just received the Atlas e-mail update. The January 2009 announcements
include 6 new paint schemes and 3 "body styles" to include Murphy,
Viking, and "11 panel flat riveted roofs", each with different ends.

Road names are CofG (a 60's paint scheme), Erie in both 1932 and 1947
paint (primarily different size heralds), Lousiana and Arkansas,
Seaboard "Orange Blossom Special", and what I think is a 1930's UP
scheme. Roof and ends are not noted in the text, but the keen eyes in
this group can probably discern this from the artwork - assuming it is
accurate. If it isn't, there may be time to set Atlas straight?

All three body styles also will be offered undecorated.

Looks like Atlas is coming through on their promise to offer many car
configurations and schemes.

Four of the schemes fit my WWII era, assuming a few UP boxcars would
still be out there without the yellow script messages on the side
("Route of the streamliners"?).

Well done Atlas.

Price TBA. Now that the dollar has rebounded, and plastic is cheap
once again, does anyone think the price may actually drop? ;-(

Dave Evans

In late October I posted this:

Are the Trix and Marklin B-50-24/27 the same? I bought two of the
Marklin models with the Be Specific with large UNION PACIFIC
lettering when they first came out and would certainly use the
above parts and decals to upgrade/backdate them. Problem is, I was
unable to strip the one Marklin I tried using any paint stripper on
hand. (Brake fluid, Chameleon, Scalecoat, all with ultrasonic,
alcohol without ultrasonic.) I finally tried a light, low-angle
grit blast, but that removed the rivets as well as the paint. So
now I have one.
Any ideas??

To follow this up, Ted Culotta's next Essential Freight Cars article
is supposed to cover upgrading this model. He's been offering the
Trix/Marklin model through his eBay store packaged with his welded
underframe and decals, if anyone wants to get a head start. The eBay
listing shows a beautiful relettered model, and notes the original
car was stripped with Scalecoat stripper for plastics. In light of my
previous failure to strip one of these models, and armed with a lot
of respect for Ted and his abilities, I put on my WWTD (What Would
Ted Do) T-shirt, hied myself off to Caboose Hobbies and bought a new
bottle of Scalecoat Wash Away.

That did the trick, but it wasn't straightforward. Soaking for half
an hour and scrubbing with an old toothbrush eventually took off the
large UNION PACIFIC and BE SPECIFIC lettering pretty cleanly, but the
smaller lettering was unmoved. So, into the ultrasonic cleaner and,
once the energy of the ultrasonic had heated the Wash Away, the
lettering and all the paint literally blew off the shell. (I put the
Wash Away in a tall jar, and put that into the ultrasonic cleaner,
which had a couple inches of water in it.) So now I'm removing the
roof from the model and will replace it with a correct IMWX/Red
Caboose roof.

Marklin offered these in sets of ten, with about that many different
UP lettering schemes, every one with all-yellow lettering. From the
way the shell stripped, I'm guessing the lettering common to all the
versions was printed and cured first, with the version-specific
lettering printed separately. That would give the small lettering a
double cure - either heat or UV, I suspect - and explain its
reluctance to depart the shell until the underlying paint fell away.

Guess I'll strip and reletter my Trix A-50-19 while I'm at it.

Tom Madden

My recent announcement re: upcoming S scale resin kits (B&O M53 wagontop box
and SAL B7 turtleback box) has now spread into HO, at least for the B&O car.
I'm pleased to announce a collaboration between Smoky Mtn. Model Works and
Wright Trak Models on the M53. CAD work will start in 2 weeks with a target
release date of the HO car in March and the S car right behind it. The kit
will include the "plain" and Youngstown doors with every intent toward
making them operable (no guarantees). At least 3 paint schemes are planned.



Next is a new HO car now in production by Wright Trak. I delivered the
first 100 sets of the Southern 1951 Spencer-built wood rack body and
underframe castings (with brass strip weights) to Gary this afternoon. He
will be the source for this car, so contact him for availability. Target
ship date is by month's end. They will be available direct and thru his
dealer network. These cars will be offered with Roman and Block font
decals, spanning 1951 until retirement in the early 80s. The C&O car I'm
producing in S will likely be offered by Gary, so if you're a C&O nut, let
him know you're interested.



2009 is gonna be a BIG year for HO and S resin kits!



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

I have an old Varney tank car lettered GATX 648, Carbide and Carbon
Chemicals. The car has a green body with white lettering. Accepting
the era the model was made, likely the late 50s, a lot of model makers
took liberties with lettering their models, does anyone know if this is
remotely correct for a car assigned to Carbide before 1957 when they
became Union Carbide and dropped "Carbon" from their name?

Thanks for any info

Jim B.

This is a question for those Heinz experts among us.? According to a?1951 AFE that year the Colorado & Southern installed a 260-foot spur in Windsor, Colorado to serve the H.J. Heinz Company.? My question is:?what type of facility did the spur serve?? I have seen photos and maps showing pickle salting vats at locations in nearby towns (Loveland and Fort Collins) for other companies but I have no idea whether this was what was being done for Heinz in Windsor.? I'm wondering if I get to run a pickle car.?:)?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

That reminds me of a Lionel giraffe car!
http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=3376

The MILW also had stock cars with roof hatches. You can see some in
this photo:
http://www.nwlink.com/~kruegerp/milw/Kirkland/kirklandsheep.jpg

Paul
Seattle, WA

Thank You, a real nice find.

Mark Morgan

Or at *http://tinyurl.com/859tgd *if you couldn't click the fragmented url

Dave Smith

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David L. Smith
Da Vinci Science Center
Allentown, PA
http://www.davinci-center.org

Please consider the environment before printing this email.

Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was
listening, everything must be said again. -- Andre Gide

How's about a stock car with roof hatches for loading coal? See pages
190 and 191 at:

http://books.google.com/books?
hl=en&id=sY45AAAAMAAJ&dq=droege's+freight+terminals+%
26+trains&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=xhXmhy4PjV&sig=HpE5iLBNRceM
YS4BVXxp1iWj6Kc#PPA191,M1

Mark Pierce