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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jon,

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks. If you can overlook the lack of a
spring plank, then my new "Double Truss AAR" truck will work just
fine, as it also has that spring spacing.

Here's a list of cars:

Cental of Georgia
C&O #7000-7099
ERIE #76750-76949
Missouri Pacific Lines
NKP
NS
SOO LINE
UP

In addition, double truss trucks with a coil-elliptic spring package
(a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides)was also
employed on some cars. This is my current project and next new truck-
-I just started cutting the steel cavities on Friday. Cars are
listed below:

BAR
C&O #7100-7640
CGW
ERIE #76500-76749
WM #27001-27500

This truck was also used on round roof box cars (Bowser) owned by
N&W, DT&I, Virginian and NP. DT&I, Erie, CGW, WM and L&NE all had
various other cars with this truck.

For a few of Erie's ARA box cars, #76950-76999, you could use P2K's
National Type B truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

In STMFC@..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Which TMW trucks would be good for this car. I have a lot
of .088
wheels in stock but this car takes something like .095 axels or
similar.
Anyway it would be good to put TMW on anyway.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: 12 panel ATSF cars

George Hollwedel
 

As per the Santa Fe boxcar book put out by the Society:

BX-50 riveted
BX-53 photos in the book show rivets

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSPTNO40BoxN.htm
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSP40BoxN.htm
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSP50SDBoxN.htm
www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollATSFExpressN.htm

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@...> wrote:

From: rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@...>
Subject: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:50 PM
Hi all,
I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the
classes of ATSF
were riveted or not.
I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48
class had
welded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53
cars and I
can't tell from the photos I have of these cars.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Ed Walters
 

http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html
--- In STMFC@..., "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used
Archer
decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on
the
Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here:
http://www.archertransfers.com/

KL

Paging Tony Thompson- Lompoc & Cuyama info requested

Miles C
 

Tony,

I just read your article on your steam era railroad, the Lompoc &
Cuyama in the June 1990 issue of RMC, and was quite impressed.

You mentioned that you had a rather large document published as
the "history" of the L&C, is there any way to procure a copy?

My Mission Valley & Pacific follows a similar route, and I'd appreciate
the information.

I'm also curious who made those incredibly detailed STMFC's, most
notably the MP gondola #20273 on paage 67.

I'd really appreciate your help and possibly getting a copy of your
RR's history.

-Miles C.

12 panel ATSF cars

rdietrichson
 

Hi all,
I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the classes of ATSF
were riveted or not.
I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48 class had
welded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53 cars and I
can't tell from the photos I have of these cars.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Which TMW trucks would be good for this car. I have a lot of .088 wheels in stock but this car takes something like .095 axels or similar.
Anyway it would be good to put TMW on anyway.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Do Not Hump Decal

Jeffrey White
 

Microscale 87-1013 Maintenance of Way Equipment - Railroad Roman 1950 +

Jeff White Alma, IL

pennsylvania1954 wrote:


A very mundane question: can anyone point me toward an HO decal set
that has the slogan "Do Not Hump" in white letters?

Thanks for the help!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

General American Tank Car Journeys

Richard Townsend
 

Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931 book called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial Liquids Come From and Where They Go."? It's a well-illustrated book with over two dozen photos of GATC tank cars, including some unusual ones.? It is a listing of chemicals, oils, etc. (everything from specific alcohols to specific fish oils) and a description of the commodity, how it is made, and how it is used.? Gives a lot of ideas on what industries could be expected to receive or ship commodities in tank cars.? On the spine it says "Vol I."? I wonder if there were additional volumes.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

Prototype Rails-2009

gary laakso
 

I want to thank Mike Brock and Jeff Aley for all their hard work that made the meeting a success plus all the other volunteers. Jeff went to each room to make sure the software and connection spirits were placated (as opposed to placarded which was covered only in the Richard Hendrickson seminar on General American Tank cars!). Jeff and I attended few sessions together so I can cover a few more seminars.
First off, the handouts were great and Andy Sperandeo blessed all his attendees by including a web address sheet for 18 vendors. He also should be created with suggesting that we don't need to follow the directions for resin kits (okay, not the order of doing things!).
If you like tips on doing your kits better and faster, Monty Switzer's seminar is the one to attend and, yes, i have Sharpie markers on my list. He also mentioned which vendor to use to get those dangling chains for the brake gear. The flat car deck weathering was one section that i did pay attention to as there are 4 on the work bench.....Speaking of flatcars and ESPEE, Tony Thompson provided a clear, lucid and fast paced look at flatcar evolution on the ESPEE and why the single frame Bettendorf frame flat car had problems!
Ted Culotta besides tempting us with more wonderful resin kits, (oh the Pere Marquette was too tempting to resist, yeah the Hutchinson ends did it) provided a great rundown of tank cars in HO and some comments on their construction and where there are gaps in the lineup.
Southern Car and Foundry had two versions of their new Standard Tank car resin kit. My temptation resistance was was only tempered by having lunch at Wendys or Taco Bell....I do like the kits!
Scot Mason gave a very thorough seminar on building kit construction and we got to see a George Sellios kit box opened, something i am told only a 30 people had ever seen before! I was surprised how few the tools he recommended and the sample painted walls, both wood and brick/masonary that he passed around reminded me of how grandad maintained things.
There were a number of really well assembled dioramas and building kits in the main hall to inspire you along with the locomotives and freight cars and Bruce Smith's vast PRR fleet with a 16 inch battleship gun barrel to keep NYC fans away!
Well, the rumors are true, Denny Anspach has gone midwest on us with 2 Milwaukee road 50 foot boxcars (welded and ribbed) and a Rocket Express Rock Island 50 foot outside braced boxcar. Since the cars had the new PSC casing for holding the brake hose ( I had to ask Martin Lofton what the casting was, yeah i am that bad), they were worth a good look.
Lance Mindheim had a thought provoking seminar on layout design that gave me a few ideas (yeah, i know that can be dangerous).
I greatly enjoyed the gathering and again my thanks to all concerned. Rumor has it Mike Brock's jail keys are getting very rusty....
My plans are too finish the 4 Great Northern 1937 boxcars on the workbench now that the 14 tank cars have been painted along with the GN hoppers and NP clarkcars ). The tip for the day is NOT to sneeze when you are placing the last W&R decals on earth on the end of the last clark car.........surprisingly decals to not adhere to cat fur...

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

Do Not Hump Decal

pennsylvania1954
 

A very mundane question: can anyone point me toward an HO decal set
that has the slogan "Do Not Hump" in white letters?

Thanks for the help!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here: http://www.archertransfers.com/

KL

Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Good write up.  Any pictures of the event?
 
Jason Sanford

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 9:01 AM

Prototype Rails 2009, in Cocoa Beach, FL, was a good meeting. I am the Clinic
Chairman, and here are my biased comments.

As usual, it was a lot of work and a lot of fun. Attendance was pretty good;
we had 241 folks show up, down slightly from last year's ~275. Considering
the state of the economy, I think this is pretty good.

I attended a few clinics when I wasn't running around keeping things on
track. Here are my impressions:

Greg Komar did a clinic on model photography. I learned a lot about lighting.
Greg showed how much more realistic a model photo can be if you give it strong
light that casts sharp, dark shadows, instead of that uniform gray light we all
get from our fluorescent tubes. If you want to show off your underbody
detailing, go for the uniform "high overcast" lighting. But if you
want a photo that looks like a prototype photo, go with a bright point-source
light to simulate the sun. He also demonstrated Helicon Focus, and after seeing
it in person, I'm sold on it!

Brian Carlson showed how he analyzed a bunch of yard photos to confirm the
Nelson - Gilbert boxcar distribution model, and then how he applied that to his
model fleet. He took the analysis a step farther by examining each of the
railroads with large fleets, and determining what type or class of cars best
represent a given RR.

Greg Martin, with help from Denny Anspach, presented this year's
Shake-n-Take clinic. Denny gave a tutorial on how to install Accumate scale
couplers (w/ scale coupler boxes / draft gear) and the proper air hose w/ PSC
bracket. Greg then showed us how to kitbash the Accurail stock car to produce a
UP S-40-10. The kitbash included new resin ends from Southern Car &
Foundry. I know there were many folks who worked behind the scenes to make this
clinic happen, and I will let Greg or Denny point out who those folks are (lest
I leave someone out).

Jon Addison showed how he makes realistic water. He demonstrated how he paints
the bottom of a stream, and how he applies DAP Crystal-Clear caulk (not
"clear", but "Crystal Clear") for waves. The caulk usually
is applied over a layer of Envirotex. He also showed how he uses Liquitex Gloss
Medium and poly-fiber to make rapids. The latter was the most impressive to me.
I had heard of people using poly-fiber to make rapids, and I had even seen some
examples, but none was as good as Jon's. He stressed that with poly-fiber,
"less is more".

Jim Murrie showed how he built a prototypical model of a large passenger
terminal. He selected Everett St. Station on the MILW as his prototype. He
showed a lot about the passenger train operations (switching out various cars
between trains) and how there was plenty of passenger action to keep operations
interesting.

Finally, I moderated a panel on boxcar distribution, and how it influences the
fleets of boxcars that we should have on our railroads. The distinguised panel
included Brian Carlson, Armand Premo, Larry Kline, Frank Peacock, and Mike
Brock, with lively comments thrown in from the audience by Bruce Smith. There
was some debate, but the general consensus was that one should start with the
Gilbert-Nelson model (boxcars in proportion to the national averages), and then
adjust it for home road cars and interchange partners. The latter should be
dealt with carefully, since some roads interchanged more traffic than others
(e.g. SP-UP (many cars) vs WP-UP (few cars) at Ogden, UT). Armand also clearly
showed that Canadian cars had a big impact on roads near the border. Era and
even season (grain rush) is also a factor.

Other thoughts:
The hotel did well, as usual. Nobody bothered with their lunch - everyone
chose to go out, for various reasons. Dinner was pretty good and the banquet
was surprisingly quick. The weather was all that we had hoped for - sunny and
warm. Many folks are not looking forward to going home to deep snow and ice.

As usual the model displays were great. Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with
a boiler load that used Archer decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact,
the car is pictured on the Archer website). Bruce explained to me how he did
it, and I'm going to buy some Archer rivet decals very soon. Ted Culotta
uses the "small" rivets in some of the patterns for his resin kits.
I also learned a bunch of stuff about laser kits from Jon Cagle, and a bunch
about the St. Louis RPM meet from John Golden. I also had a quick look at the
war-emergency box cars from IM (I'm not really qualified to review them).
There were lots of good folks to talk to, and lots of good stuff to learn.

I will look forward to comments from other attendees to see what they thought
of Prototype Rails 2009.

Regards,

-Jeff







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Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Aley, Jeff A
 

Prototype Rails 2009, in Cocoa Beach, FL, was a good meeting. I am the Clinic Chairman, and here are my biased comments.

As usual, it was a lot of work and a lot of fun. Attendance was pretty good; we had 241 folks show up, down slightly from last year's ~275. Considering the state of the economy, I think this is pretty good.

I attended a few clinics when I wasn't running around keeping things on track. Here are my impressions:

Greg Komar did a clinic on model photography. I learned a lot about lighting. Greg showed how much more realistic a model photo can be if you give it strong light that casts sharp, dark shadows, instead of that uniform gray light we all get from our fluorescent tubes. If you want to show off your underbody detailing, go for the uniform "high overcast" lighting. But if you want a photo that looks like a prototype photo, go with a bright point-source light to simulate the sun. He also demonstrated Helicon Focus, and after seeing it in person, I'm sold on it!

Brian Carlson showed how he analyzed a bunch of yard photos to confirm the Nelson - Gilbert boxcar distribution model, and then how he applied that to his model fleet. He took the analysis a step farther by examining each of the railroads with large fleets, and determining what type or class of cars best represent a given RR.

Greg Martin, with help from Denny Anspach, presented this year's Shake-n-Take clinic. Denny gave a tutorial on how to install Accumate scale couplers (w/ scale coupler boxes / draft gear) and the proper air hose w/ PSC bracket. Greg then showed us how to kitbash the Accurail stock car to produce a UP S-40-10. The kitbash included new resin ends from Southern Car & Foundry. I know there were many folks who worked behind the scenes to make this clinic happen, and I will let Greg or Denny point out who those folks are (lest I leave someone out).

Jon Addison showed how he makes realistic water. He demonstrated how he paints the bottom of a stream, and how he applies DAP Crystal-Clear caulk (not "clear", but "Crystal Clear") for waves. The caulk usually is applied over a layer of Envirotex. He also showed how he uses Liquitex Gloss Medium and poly-fiber to make rapids. The latter was the most impressive to me. I had heard of people using poly-fiber to make rapids, and I had even seen some examples, but none was as good as Jon's. He stressed that with poly-fiber, "less is more".

Jim Murrie showed how he built a prototypical model of a large passenger terminal. He selected Everett St. Station on the MILW as his prototype. He showed a lot about the passenger train operations (switching out various cars between trains) and how there was plenty of passenger action to keep operations interesting.

Finally, I moderated a panel on boxcar distribution, and how it influences the fleets of boxcars that we should have on our railroads. The distinguised panel included Brian Carlson, Armand Premo, Larry Kline, Frank Peacock, and Mike Brock, with lively comments thrown in from the audience by Bruce Smith. There was some debate, but the general consensus was that one should start with the Gilbert-Nelson model (boxcars in proportion to the national averages), and then adjust it for home road cars and interchange partners. The latter should be dealt with carefully, since some roads interchanged more traffic than others (e.g. SP-UP (many cars) vs WP-UP (few cars) at Ogden, UT). Armand also clearly showed that Canadian cars had a big impact on roads near the border. Era and even season (grain rush) is also a factor.

Other thoughts:
The hotel did well, as usual. Nobody bothered with their lunch - everyone chose to go out, for various reasons. Dinner was pretty good and the banquet was surprisingly quick. The weather was all that we had hoped for - sunny and warm. Many folks are not looking forward to going home to deep snow and ice.

As usual the model displays were great. Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the Archer website). Bruce explained to me how he did it, and I'm going to buy some Archer rivet decals very soon. Ted Culotta uses the "small" rivets in some of the patterns for his resin kits. I also learned a bunch of stuff about laser kits from Jon Cagle, and a bunch about the St. Louis RPM meet from John Golden. I also had a quick look at the war-emergency box cars from IM (I'm not really qualified to review them). There were lots of good folks to talk to, and lots of good stuff to learn.

I will look forward to comments from other attendees to see what they thought of Prototype Rails 2009.

Regards,

-Jeff

Re: Loose coal in boxcars

Mark Mathu
 

That reminds me of a Lionel giraffe car!
http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=3376
My wife is a transit planner, and 15 years ago she worked on the
Milwaukee light rail system (never built - but when she transferred to
that project is when we met, so I guess every dark cloud has a silver
lining). Milwaukee was known for its annual circus parade and one of
the features was a giraffe which stuck it's head out of a hole in the
roof of a circus wagon, kind of like that Lionel car. The circus
parade route was on one of the light rail routes.

The light rail planners had to spend a little time determining what
the maximum design height of a giraffe sticking out of a circus wagon
would actually be... if a giraffe would have hit the planned 600-volt
line it would have been a public relations nightmare...

__________
Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.

Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Mark

My apologies. I edited my original reply and put things back to front. I should have said "With the exception of 18700-19399 (which were built with truck type 81)".

18400-699 were built with the ASF type A-3 ride control version.

Sorry about that.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699


Hi Rupert,

Thanks for the information. What sort of trucks are the type 81? I've
got a fairly clear shot of CBQ 18471, and it has trucks that look
very much like an ASF A-3 ride control. Does the type 81 look similar
to an ASF A-3?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:


Mark

To broaden your target for photos, other cars in class XM-32C were
18700-19399 (built 1951), C&S 1250-1499 (built 1950-1) and FW&D
9001-9250
(built 1951).

With the exception 18400-699 (which were built with truck type
81,) the
XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride control
version)

Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699

Mark Heiden
 

Hi Rupert,

Thanks for the information. What sort of trucks are the type 81? I've
got a fairly clear shot of CBQ 18471, and it has trucks that look
very much like an ASF A-3 ride control. Does the type 81 look similar
to an ASF A-3?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:


Mark

To broaden your target for photos, other cars in class XM-32C were
18700-19399 (built 1951), C&S 1250-1499 (built 1950-1) and FW&D
9001-9250
(built 1951).

With the exception 18400-699 (which were built with truck type
81,) the
XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride control
version)

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699


Mark

A photo of CB&Q 18675 shows AJAX handbrake and APEX (grid style)
running board and brake step. Bracket-style grab irons. Also, no
poling pockets. The trucks are in shadow and can't be identified.

Tim O'Connor


I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ
18400-
18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a
few
questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me:

1) What running boards these cars were built with?

2) What handbrakes were used?

3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one
photo that
may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am
not
certain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Re: Stripping Trix UP boxcar

spsalso
 


Marklin offered these in sets of ten, with about that many
different
UP lettering schemes, every one with all-yellow lettering.
I picked up a boxed set of 20 of the Trix 40' UP boxcars when "the
price was right". There are four different basic schemes including
the early white and yellow "Road of the Streamliners".

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Mark

To broaden your target for photos, other cars in class XM-32C were 18700-19399 (built 1951), C&S 1250-1499 (built 1950-1) and FW&D 9001-9250 (built 1951).

With the exception 18400-699 (which were built with truck type 81,) the XM-32C's were built with truck type 79 (ASF type A-3 ride control version)

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <@timboconnor>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699


Mark

A photo of CB&Q 18675 shows AJAX handbrake and APEX (grid style)
running board and brake step. Bracket-style grab irons. Also, no
poling pockets. The trucks are in shadow and can't be identified.

Tim O'Connor


I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ 18400-
18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a few
questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me:

1) What running boards these cars were built with?

2) What handbrakes were used?

3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one photo that
may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am not
certain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Re: Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699

Tim O'Connor
 

Mark

A photo of CB&Q 18675 shows AJAX handbrake and APEX (grid style)
running board and brake step. Bracket-style grab irons. Also, no
poling pockets. The trucks are in shadow and can't be identified.

Tim O'Connor

I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ 18400-
18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a few
questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me:

1) What running boards these cars were built with?

2) What handbrakes were used?

3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one photo that
may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am not
certain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Boxcar details, CBQ 18400-18699

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm gathering information on some Burlington boxcars, series CBQ 18400-
18699 (class XM-32c), for a possible future project, and I have a few
questions about these cars. Could anyone tell me:

1) What running boards these cars were built with?

2) What handbrakes were used?

3) Were these cars equipped with brake adjustors? I have one photo that
may show a Universal Rotary Brake Adjustor on CBQ 18682, but I am not
certain.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden