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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Arnold van Heyst <mrdata1968@...> wrote:

Dave,

Couldn't find it.
Can you please give me link?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/heyst/





Arnold,

My e-mail from atlas took me to this URL:

http://www.atlasrr.com/catalog.htm

Then select the HO announcements portion of the catalog to download
the pdf.

Regards,
Dave Evans


Re: Bruce Smith's boiler - was Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Frank Greene wrote:

Ed Walters wrote:
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html
That's a fascinating freight car load. And, the car proves that an ECW
kit does make a fine model, with all the necessary care and fiddling to
make it fit together. Congratulations, Bruce.
--
Frank Greene
Frank,

Thanks for the compliment! The car and load were based on a photo that Richard Hendrickson kindly provided to me. I am told that the boiler is a marine boiler destined for a Victory Ship and that typically, they would have used 3 per ship. I would definitely say that the car is classic ECW, with mismatched moldings and all the other problems, but that with a bit of care, it does make into a unique and nice car. Wire grabs, A-line steps, scale couplers and air-hoses all help <G>.

I built the flat probably about 6 years ago, but struggled for a way to built the load (and keep my sanity) until recently. Then, Chooch released their large boiler resin casting. Those of you familiar with that casting know that it comes complete with cribbing (*YUCK!) and is certainly wider than an HO scale flat car. The boiler has 3 sections. Using a band saw, I cut out the middle section and cut the cribbing off the boiler. After gluing the ends of the boiler back together and sanding the circumference smooth, I added a wrapper of 0.010" styrene, with an appropriate splice plate. I added the tie down points and the support straps and brackets from scrap styrene. I sprayed the plastic with clear gloss to give the decals something to stick to, and I believe I used the "large" rivets on Archer's sheet with 3 sizes (you can now buy whole sheets of one size). As I told Jeff, visions of putting long strips of 50 rivets on at a time were quickly dashed as around 8-10 rivet strips were really the maximum that can be handled. Once the rivets were on, I painted the circumference aluminum and the ends flat black. The AMERICAN LOCOMOTIVE CO. SCHENECTADY N.Y. decal was created on my computer using ink jet decal paper. I made the cribbing out of various sizes of scale lumber to match the appearance of the cribbing in the photo and likewise the tie-downs were made from brass wire to match the photo.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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RES: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Bruce,



Could you send photos of your flat car to trens@mrcustom.com.br ?



Thanks



Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@mrcustom.com.br

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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Enviada em: segunda-feira, 12 de janeiro de 2009 11:48
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Assunto: Re: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions




On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that
used Archer
decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured
on the
Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here:
http://www.archertr <http://www.archertransfers.com/> ansfers.com/

KL
Kurt,

Try http://www.archertr <http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html>
ansfers.com/AR88001.html

Note that Tony Thompson showed identical, or nearly identical boilers
built out west on SP depressed center flats in his SP flat car clinic
at Cocoa Beach.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed. <http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2>
auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer
decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the
Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here:
http://www.archertransfers.com/

KL
Kurt,

Try http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html

Note that Tony Thompson showed identical, or nearly identical boilers built out west on SP depressed center flats in his SP flat car clinic at Cocoa Beach.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: 12 panel ATSF cars

rdietrichson
 

Thanks Gharlie, Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles slater" <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com>
To: "STMFC List" <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars



Rick the Bx-50 and Bx-53 class cars were riveted 12 panel cars. Also the Bx-51,60, 62 and 63 classes were also 12 panel riveted cars. The Bx-48's were also riveted except for that group of 10 cars you mentioned.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: Rdietrichson@ec.rr.comDate: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:50:28 +0000Subject: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars



Hi all,I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the classes of ATSFwere riveted or not.I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48 class hadwelded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53 cars and Ican't tell from the photos I have of these cars.Any help will be greatly appreciated.Rick DietrichsonWilmington, NC





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Cocoa Beach in 09

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I know there is a very long list of people who work hard to make this event happen. And I want to
tell them this:

IT IS WORTH IT!!!

Thanks to Mike Brock and Jeff Aley, of course. But thanks also to every one of the presenters, and
also to the many great friends I've made by coming to Cocoa a grand total of twice. I will not miss
it in '10.

And Jeff, yes, some of us were regretting leaving that 80 degree warmth, the beach and it's
inhabitants, and Florida's Seafood. And we were right. For us from Boston, a LONG delay at Dulles,
and home to 8" of snow and a breezy 20 degrees. But my wife, I love her, had shoveled the driveway
. . .

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Brian,
 
          Can't thank you enough for taking the timn to help those of us who do proto modeling.  The heads up on the next truck was timely, as I'm working on a couple kits that will need them. Keep them comming !!
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net> wrote:

From: Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 5:38 PM






Jon,

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks. If you can overlook the lack of a
spring plank, then my new "Double Truss AAR" truck will work just
fine, as it also has that spring spacing.

Here's a list of cars:

Cental of Georgia
C&O #7000-7099
ERIE #76750-76949
Missouri Pacific Lines
NKP
NS
SOO LINE
UP

In addition, double truss trucks with a coil-elliptic spring package
(a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides)was also
employed on some cars. This is my current project and next new truck-
-I just started cutting the steel cavities on Friday. Cars are
listed below:

BAR
C&O #7100-7640
CGW
ERIE #76500-76749
WM #27001-27500

This truck was also used on round roof box cars (Bowser) owned by
N&W, DT&I, Virginian and NP. DT&I, Erie, CGW, WM and L&NE all had
various other cars with this truck.

For a few of Erie's ARA box cars, #76950-76999, you could use P2K's
National Type B truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Which TMW trucks would be good for this car. I have a lot
of .088
wheels in stock but this car takes something like .095 axels or
similar.
Anyway it would be good to put TMW on anyway.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS














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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

gd3006
 

The new Tahoe double-truss truck is a near-perfect match for those
used under the CofGa '32 ARA cars, even the style of journal box is
correct for those cars, as new. They do appear to have spring planks,
however, although this is difficult to see in photos.
Graham Dean


Cocoa Beach 09

golden1014
 

Mike and Crew,
 
I just got back from Cocoa and once again the gathering was terrific.  THANK YOU for everything--all the hard work, sweat, and effort is greatly appreciated.  I had a wonderful time and it was great to see old friends and a belly full of inspiration.  Great job!
 
John
 
John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: 12 panel ATSF cars

charles slater
 

Rick the Bx-50 and Bx-53 class cars were riveted 12 panel cars. Also the Bx-51,60, 62 and 63 classes were also 12 panel riveted cars. The Bx-48's were also riveted except for that group of 10 cars you mentioned.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: Rdietrichson@ec.rr.comDate: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:50:28 +0000Subject: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars



Hi all,I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the classes of ATSFwere riveted or not.I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48 class hadwelded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53 cars and Ican't tell from the photos I have of these cars.Any help will be greatly appreciated.Rick DietrichsonWilmington, NC





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Bruce Smith's boiler - was Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Frank Greene
 

Ed Walters wrote:
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html

That's a fascinating freight car load. And, the car proves that an ECW kit does make a fine model, with all the necessary care and fiddling to make it fit together. Congratulations, Bruce.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jon,

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks. If you can overlook the lack of a
spring plank, then my new "Double Truss AAR" truck will work just
fine, as it also has that spring spacing.

Here's a list of cars:

Cental of Georgia
C&O #7000-7099
ERIE #76750-76949
Missouri Pacific Lines
NKP
NS
SOO LINE
UP

In addition, double truss trucks with a coil-elliptic spring package
(a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides)was also
employed on some cars. This is my current project and next new truck-
-I just started cutting the steel cavities on Friday. Cars are
listed below:

BAR
C&O #7100-7640
CGW
ERIE #76500-76749
WM #27001-27500

This truck was also used on round roof box cars (Bowser) owned by
N&W, DT&I, Virginian and NP. DT&I, Erie, CGW, WM and L&NE all had
various other cars with this truck.

For a few of Erie's ARA box cars, #76950-76999, you could use P2K's
National Type B truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Which TMW trucks would be good for this car. I have a lot
of .088
wheels in stock but this car takes something like .095 axels or
similar.
Anyway it would be good to put TMW on anyway.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: 12 panel ATSF cars

George Hollwedel
 

As per the Santa Fe boxcar book put out by the Society:

BX-50 riveted
BX-53 photos in the book show rivets

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSPTNO40BoxN.htm
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSP40BoxN.htm
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollSP50SDBoxN.htm
www.imrcmodels.com/n/sr/html/GHollATSFExpressN.htm

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com> wrote:

From: rdietrichson <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
Subject: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 1:50 PM
Hi all,
I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the
classes of ATSF
were riveted or not.
I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48
class had
welded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53
cars and I
can't tell from the photos I have of these cars.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Ed Walters <eddie_walters@...>
 

http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used
Archer
decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on
the
Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here:
http://www.archertransfers.com/

KL


Paging Tony Thompson- Lompoc & Cuyama info requested

Miles C
 

Tony,

I just read your article on your steam era railroad, the Lompoc &
Cuyama in the June 1990 issue of RMC, and was quite impressed.

You mentioned that you had a rather large document published as
the "history" of the L&C, is there any way to procure a copy?

My Mission Valley & Pacific follows a similar route, and I'd appreciate
the information.

I'm also curious who made those incredibly detailed STMFC's, most
notably the MP gondola #20273 on paage 67.

I'd really appreciate your help and possibly getting a copy of your
RR's history.

-Miles C.


12 panel ATSF cars

rdietrichson
 

Hi all,
I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the classes of ATSF
were riveted or not.
I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48 class had
welded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53 cars and I
can't tell from the photos I have of these cars.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Which TMW trucks would be good for this car. I have a lot of .088 wheels in stock but this car takes something like .095 axels or similar.
Anyway it would be good to put TMW on anyway.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Do Not Hump Decal

Jeffrey White
 

Microscale 87-1013 Maintenance of Way Equipment - Railroad Roman 1950 +

Jeff White Alma, IL

pennsylvania1954 wrote:


A very mundane question: can anyone point me toward an HO decal set
that has the slogan "Do Not Hump" in white letters?

Thanks for the help!

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


General American Tank Car Journeys

Richard Townsend
 

Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931 book called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial Liquids Come From and Where They Go."? It's a well-illustrated book with over two dozen photos of GATC tank cars, including some unusual ones.? It is a listing of chemicals, oils, etc. (everything from specific alcohols to specific fish oils) and a description of the commodity, how it is made, and how it is used.? Gives a lot of ideas on what industries could be expected to receive or ship commodities in tank cars.? On the spine it says "Vol I."? I wonder if there were additional volumes.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Prototype Rails-2009

gary laakso
 

I want to thank Mike Brock and Jeff Aley for all their hard work that made the meeting a success plus all the other volunteers. Jeff went to each room to make sure the software and connection spirits were placated (as opposed to placarded which was covered only in the Richard Hendrickson seminar on General American Tank cars!). Jeff and I attended few sessions together so I can cover a few more seminars.
First off, the handouts were great and Andy Sperandeo blessed all his attendees by including a web address sheet for 18 vendors. He also should be created with suggesting that we don't need to follow the directions for resin kits (okay, not the order of doing things!).
If you like tips on doing your kits better and faster, Monty Switzer's seminar is the one to attend and, yes, i have Sharpie markers on my list. He also mentioned which vendor to use to get those dangling chains for the brake gear. The flat car deck weathering was one section that i did pay attention to as there are 4 on the work bench.....Speaking of flatcars and ESPEE, Tony Thompson provided a clear, lucid and fast paced look at flatcar evolution on the ESPEE and why the single frame Bettendorf frame flat car had problems!
Ted Culotta besides tempting us with more wonderful resin kits, (oh the Pere Marquette was too tempting to resist, yeah the Hutchinson ends did it) provided a great rundown of tank cars in HO and some comments on their construction and where there are gaps in the lineup.
Southern Car and Foundry had two versions of their new Standard Tank car resin kit. My temptation resistance was was only tempered by having lunch at Wendys or Taco Bell....I do like the kits!
Scot Mason gave a very thorough seminar on building kit construction and we got to see a George Sellios kit box opened, something i am told only a 30 people had ever seen before! I was surprised how few the tools he recommended and the sample painted walls, both wood and brick/masonary that he passed around reminded me of how grandad maintained things.
There were a number of really well assembled dioramas and building kits in the main hall to inspire you along with the locomotives and freight cars and Bruce Smith's vast PRR fleet with a 16 inch battleship gun barrel to keep NYC fans away!
Well, the rumors are true, Denny Anspach has gone midwest on us with 2 Milwaukee road 50 foot boxcars (welded and ribbed) and a Rocket Express Rock Island 50 foot outside braced boxcar. Since the cars had the new PSC casing for holding the brake hose ( I had to ask Martin Lofton what the casting was, yeah i am that bad), they were worth a good look.
Lance Mindheim had a thought provoking seminar on layout design that gave me a few ideas (yeah, i know that can be dangerous).
I greatly enjoyed the gathering and again my thanks to all concerned. Rumor has it Mike Brock's jail keys are getting very rusty....
My plans are too finish the 4 Great Northern 1937 boxcars on the workbench now that the 14 tank cars have been painted along with the GN hoppers and NP clarkcars ). The tip for the day is NOT to sneeze when you are placing the last W&R decals on earth on the end of the last clark car.........surprisingly decals to not adhere to cat fur...

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

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