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Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

Charles Dean
 

Richard,

In my years of collecting such books, I have never come across a subsequent volume. There is a 1920 edition of the Tank Car Journeys book. The 1931 edition is, by far, the superior of the two.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky

----- Original Message -----
From: richtownsend@netscape.net
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Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] General American Tank Car Journeys


Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931 book called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial Liquids Come From and Where They Go."? It's a well-illustrated book with over two dozen photos of GATC tank cars, including some unusual ones.? It is a listing of chemicals, oils, etc. (everything from specific alcohols to specific fish oils) and a description of the commodity, how it is made, and how it is used.? Gives a lot of ideas on what industries could be expected to receive or ship commodities in tank cars.? On the spine it says "Vol I."? I wonder if there were additional volumes.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

What modifications are needed to the Atlas bolster and kingpin to
change out the trucks?<

I know the Atlas kingpin is larger and would require the TMW to be reamed some. I don't know about the height.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
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Rail Road Progress

Mark
 

I searched the site for the Rail Road Progress company. How are there
kits?

And a question about Proto 2000 CB&Q Auto-boxcar 50' DBL Door with end
door. Class XA-15B numbers 48500-48599 blt. 1941. Is the car correct
for this road, any suggestions.

Thank You, Mark Morgan


Re: General American Tank Car Journeys

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote:

Yesterday at my local used book store I picked up a copy of a 1931
book called "General American Tank Car Journeys: Where Industrial
Liquids Come From and Where They Go."?

Besides railroads (and big city fire departments) I wonder who else
would buy such a book; it's not exactly hide under the bed reading.

I'm sure those two groups had books like that on hand to get advice
on leakers - who can tell us what to do now?.

I've handled more than a few calls - "your product is leaking....."
& "my patient spilled you product on their private parts......".

Glad that such a book exists though, especially if it has some
unusual views of tank cars.

I wish we had more top view photos of working STMFCs.

Ed


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 12, 2009, at 11:56 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:
How 'bout IM's new 70T flat car? I asked what the prototype was and
was told it's coming in 4 road names! Their war emergency box cars
were a real surprise.
The test shots of both new cars look nice. The laser cut wood decks on the 70t AAR flat were sweet, sitting down between the bolsters as they ought to. They have cast part of the car in metal to make it a little heavier, and easier to run empty or with light loads... mine will be getting some medium tanks! The 4 roads listed on the IM web page are New Haven, Erie, ATSF and B&O, but the prototype list is quite a bit longer, so I wonder when/if those will be run as well and of course, there is the potential of undec kits...

We noted in looking over the war emergency box cars that they had 3 different styles with road specific details including roofs and doors. Working from memory they included CNW, ATSF, NKP and ?

They also had the painted and lettered GN plywood box car on hand.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Eric Hansmann
 

--- Brian Leppert wrote:

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks. If you can overlook the lack of a
spring plank, then my new "Double Truss AAR" truck will work just
fine, as it also has that spring spacing.
<snip>
==========================


Brian, or anyone,

What modifications are needed to the Atlas bolster and kingpin to
change out the trucks? Recent discussion noted an odd situation on
Atlas HO scale freight cars in regard to the bolster height. I
recall trying to fit a pair of Accurail trucks onto an Atlas covered
hopper and the model sat at a different height with the Accurail
trucks.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I can't say that I can fully appreciate the efforts to put on such an
event.
I can say I understand the time and thought it takes to put on a
presentation and I enjoyed those I attended. Bill Darnaby's had to
rank right up there at the top. Good subject matter and excellently
presented
Biggest problem I had this year was the weather. It was perfect. I'm
afraid I spent time walking on the beach instead of attending clinics
in all time slots.

I do have a problem with the "Shake and Take" clinic. Greg Martin
along with Jim Singer, John Greedy and Doc Denny (and maybe others)
spend a great deal of time and their own money to put out a fine
unique kit. They allow for 25-30 participants, yet each year only to
have just a hand full of completed models brought back each year for
display. I would be discouraged with the meager results, but to those
guys's credit they are very upbeat and are busy planning next year's
model.
I wasn't thinking, as usual, and just sat my Pennsy 50'er down with
Denny's without a name tag. So, the worst of the two was mine.

How 'bout IM's new 70T flat car? I asked what the prototype was and
was told it's coming in 4 road names! Their war emergency box cars
were a real surprise.
How many guys were able to pass Ted's display without picking up one
of those TN&O SS 40' DD box cars?

Clark Propst


Re: Prototype Rails-2009

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

There was so much to like, and even more to savour from this year's Meet, that I am unable to truly line up specific favorites. However, the overall best feature of this gathering of prototype railroad modelers is the relaxed intensely sociable good natured and relaxed culture promoted by Mike Brock et al, i.e. - "Leave your ego at the door!". Cameraderie trumped all else, and cameraderie with some of the very finest railroad modelers in the country to boot.

The pleasant hours spent just sitting around talking with friends, old and new, are my best memories. That Mike makes the big display/ ballroom available for such socializing during the entire meet actively promotes these activities. So much of whatever success that I have currently in Prototype Modeling can be traced right back to such personal networking.

My second best memories were the fine meals a shifting group of disreputable usual-suspect Steam Era Freight Car listers shared at Florida Seafoods most evenings. On good authority, I have been informed that this good (that is- GREAT) food institution was planning to ration the amount of shrimp being served, should this raffish mob had actually shown up one more night.

Three of the more unsung heroes of this fine meeting are Jeff Aley, Marty Megregian and Armand Premo.

Jeff managed the Clinics with quick and silent efficiency. He works throughout the year to both recruit Clinicians and then manage the schedule, and finally installs/operates/fixes the audiovisual equipment. "The trains departed and arrived on time".

Marty handled the displays and the vendors with immense good humor and enthusiasm (Marty has a busy dental office with an operating O scale railroad, and two Indian motorcycles on display- a person with obviously well grounded Reality Testing).

Armand, a seriously-displaced northern Vermonter, handled the registration- an oft thankless, but absolutely essential task.

Mike Brock? Well........., ah-h-h, h-mm <foolish grin>.

If I am correct, Prototype Rails 2010 will be this fine meet's tenth anniversary. I have attended them all, and I already look forward to greeting once again so many old friends, and countless new friends this next January.

Denny








Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks.
etc. etc. etc.
I need to make a correction. Union Pacific's lone 1932 ARA box car,
#182500, had double truss spring plankless trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, water.kresse@... wrote:

Are these O-scale or H0?

Al Kresse
Sorry Al - should have included in the post - lucky for me they ar HO
scale.

Hope that works for you?

Regards,
Dave Evans


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - new models - "May 2009" arrival

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Arnold van Heyst <mrdata1968@...> wrote:

Dave,

Couldn't find it.
Can you please give me link?

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/heyst/





Arnold,

My e-mail from atlas took me to this URL:

http://www.atlasrr.com/catalog.htm

Then select the HO announcements portion of the catalog to download
the pdf.

Regards,
Dave Evans


Re: Bruce Smith's boiler - was Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 11, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Frank Greene wrote:

Ed Walters wrote:
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html
That's a fascinating freight car load. And, the car proves that an ECW
kit does make a fine model, with all the necessary care and fiddling to
make it fit together. Congratulations, Bruce.
--
Frank Greene
Frank,

Thanks for the compliment! The car and load were based on a photo that Richard Hendrickson kindly provided to me. I am told that the boiler is a marine boiler destined for a Victory Ship and that typically, they would have used 3 per ship. I would definitely say that the car is classic ECW, with mismatched moldings and all the other problems, but that with a bit of care, it does make into a unique and nice car. Wire grabs, A-line steps, scale couplers and air-hoses all help <G>.

I built the flat probably about 6 years ago, but struggled for a way to built the load (and keep my sanity) until recently. Then, Chooch released their large boiler resin casting. Those of you familiar with that casting know that it comes complete with cribbing (*YUCK!) and is certainly wider than an HO scale flat car. The boiler has 3 sections. Using a band saw, I cut out the middle section and cut the cribbing off the boiler. After gluing the ends of the boiler back together and sanding the circumference smooth, I added a wrapper of 0.010" styrene, with an appropriate splice plate. I added the tie down points and the support straps and brackets from scrap styrene. I sprayed the plastic with clear gloss to give the decals something to stick to, and I believe I used the "large" rivets on Archer's sheet with 3 sizes (you can now buy whole sheets of one size). As I told Jeff, visions of putting long strips of 50 rivets on at a time were quickly dashed as around 8-10 rivet strips were really the maximum that can be handled. Once the rivets were on, I painted the circumference aluminum and the ends flat black. The AMERICAN LOCOMOTIVE CO. SCHENECTADY N.Y. decal was created on my computer using ink jet decal paper. I made the cribbing out of various sizes of scale lumber to match the appearance of the cribbing in the photo and likewise the tie-downs were made from brass wire to match the photo.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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RES: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Bruce,



Could you send photos of your flat car to trens@mrcustom.com.br ?



Thanks



Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@mrcustom.com.br

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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De: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de Bruce
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Assunto: Re: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions




On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that
used Archer
decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured
on the
Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here:
http://www.archertr <http://www.archertransfers.com/> ansfers.com/

KL
Kurt,

Try http://www.archertr <http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html>
ansfers.com/AR88001.html

Note that Tony Thompson showed identical, or nearly identical boilers
built out west on SP depressed center flats in his SP flat car clinic
at Cocoa Beach.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Prototype Rails 2009 -- my opinions

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Aley, Jeff A
. . . Bruce Smith displayed a flat car with a boiler load that used Archer
decal rivets. They looked great (and in fact, the car is pictured on the
Archer website).

----- Original Message -----

Do you have a link to the photos? I could not find it here:
http://www.archertransfers.com/

KL
Kurt,

Try http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88001.html

Note that Tony Thompson showed identical, or nearly identical boilers built out west on SP depressed center flats in his SP flat car clinic at Cocoa Beach.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: 12 panel ATSF cars

rdietrichson
 

Thanks Gharlie, Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles slater" <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com>
To: "STMFC List" <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars



Rick the Bx-50 and Bx-53 class cars were riveted 12 panel cars. Also the Bx-51,60, 62 and 63 classes were also 12 panel riveted cars. The Bx-48's were also riveted except for that group of 10 cars you mentioned.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: Rdietrichson@ec.rr.comDate: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:50:28 +0000Subject: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars



Hi all,I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the classes of ATSFwere riveted or not.I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48 class hadwelded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53 cars and Ican't tell from the photos I have of these cars.Any help will be greatly appreciated.Rick DietrichsonWilmington, NC





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Cocoa Beach in 09

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I know there is a very long list of people who work hard to make this event happen. And I want to
tell them this:

IT IS WORTH IT!!!

Thanks to Mike Brock and Jeff Aley, of course. But thanks also to every one of the presenters, and
also to the many great friends I've made by coming to Cocoa a grand total of twice. I will not miss
it in '10.

And Jeff, yes, some of us were regretting leaving that 80 degree warmth, the beach and it's
inhabitants, and Florida's Seafood. And we were right. For us from Boston, a LONG delay at Dulles,
and home to 8" of snow and a breezy 20 degrees. But my wife, I love her, had shoveled the driveway
. . .

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Brian,
 
          Can't thank you enough for taking the timn to help those of us who do proto modeling.  The heads up on the next truck was timely, as I'm working on a couple kits that will need them. Keep them comming !!
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net> wrote:

From: Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 5:38 PM






Jon,

Several railroads used double truss trucks, with a distictive wide
spacing on the front springs, on their 1932 ARA box cars. These
trucks also had spring planks. If you can overlook the lack of a
spring plank, then my new "Double Truss AAR" truck will work just
fine, as it also has that spring spacing.

Here's a list of cars:

Cental of Georgia
C&O #7000-7099
ERIE #76750-76949
Missouri Pacific Lines
NKP
NS
SOO LINE
UP

In addition, double truss trucks with a coil-elliptic spring package
(a centered leaf spring with coil springs on both sides)was also
employed on some cars. This is my current project and next new truck-
-I just started cutting the steel cavities on Friday. Cars are
listed below:

BAR
C&O #7100-7640
CGW
ERIE #76500-76749
WM #27001-27500

This truck was also used on round roof box cars (Bowser) owned by
N&W, DT&I, Virginian and NP. DT&I, Erie, CGW, WM and L&NE all had
various other cars with this truck.

For a few of Erie's ARA box cars, #76950-76999, you could use P2K's
National Type B truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Which TMW trucks would be good for this car. I have a lot
of .088
wheels in stock but this car takes something like .095 axels or
similar.
Anyway it would be good to put TMW on anyway.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
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Re: Atlas '32 AAR Box - trucks

gd3006
 

The new Tahoe double-truss truck is a near-perfect match for those
used under the CofGa '32 ARA cars, even the style of journal box is
correct for those cars, as new. They do appear to have spring planks,
however, although this is difficult to see in photos.
Graham Dean


Cocoa Beach 09

golden1014
 

Mike and Crew,
 
I just got back from Cocoa and once again the gathering was terrific.  THANK YOU for everything--all the hard work, sweat, and effort is greatly appreciated.  I had a wonderful time and it was great to see old friends and a belly full of inspiration.  Great job!
 
John
 
John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: 12 panel ATSF cars

charles slater
 

Rick the Bx-50 and Bx-53 class cars were riveted 12 panel cars. Also the Bx-51,60, 62 and 63 classes were also 12 panel riveted cars. The Bx-48's were also riveted except for that group of 10 cars you mentioned.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: Rdietrichson@ec.rr.comDate: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:50:28 +0000Subject: [STMFC] 12 panel ATSF cars



Hi all,I'm trying to determine if the side panels on all the classes of ATSFwere riveted or not.I know that a group of cars, (274740-274749), in the Bx-48 class hadwelded panels but I am unsure about the Bx-50 and Bx-53 cars and Ican't tell from the photos I have of these cars.Any help will be greatly appreciated.Rick DietrichsonWilmington, NC





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