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Wabash colors (was Re: New Intermountain Cars)

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Thanks!

Were the General Steel Castings flat cars painted the
same, or did Wabash switch to oxide red at some point?

And... I have the same question about the 65' Wabash mill
gondolas. I assume they were delivered black too. Were
they ever repainted oxide red?
Tim,

Sorry Richard, the flat cars were painted oxide red. The Wabash
65' mill gons were black. The Wabash painted their steel gons and
hopper cars black. Composite gons were painted oxide red. The
Wabash did purchase some Bethlehem gons from the CNJ (CRP) in 1963
which were painted oxide red with the 33" WABASH and a small flag.
A few of the Wabash's own gons were repainted in this same manner.
They also bought some hopper cars from the N&W about the same time
which were also painted and lettered the same as the ex-CNJ gons.
Sorry I went past the end of the STMFC era.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: modeling cable on a crane

Paul Lyons
 

Bruce,

What color EZ-line do you use-charcoal?

Paul Lyons
Laguna NIguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 5:50 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] modeling cable on a crane







On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Ned Carey wrote:

I have a Barnhart log loader (a type of crane) that I am working
on. Does anyone have a good suggestion for what to use to model the
cable?
<SNIP>

This must be a common problem for anyone who has modeled a crane.
Any suggestions? Is there a group specifically for modeling MOW
equipment?
Ned,

I used EZ-line from Berkshire Junction (http://
www.berkshirejunction.com/) to rig my crawler crane. It has the
advantage of being flexible so I can have the boom up or down. It is
a monofilament so it looks like cable, not thread. I also use this
for the cable tie-downs on many of my loads.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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modeling cable on a crane

PBowers
 

I have a Barnhart log loader (a type of crane) that I am working on. Does anyone have a good suggestion for what to use to model the cable?
This must be a common problem for anyone who has modeled a crane. Any suggestions? Is there a group specifically for modeling MOW equipment? - Ned Carey
That would be the North_American_M-O-W list at:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/North_American_M-O-W/

Peter Bowers



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Re: NYC municipal photo archives

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Ed - Google NYC Municipal Archives. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] NYC municipal photo archives


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, " Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
"....... a limited number of photos are now on their web site and more
are being added all the time.

Whose web site? NYC? WNYE? A specific program by name with a web site?

Al, have you ever gone through the photos? There must be millions.

Ed


Re: Really big shoooows...

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Mike - It's my understanding that Martin will be there. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: MDelvec952
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Really big shoooows...



Yes, West Springfield is coming this weekend. Great show, huge show, and lots of freight cars content, including Bob's Photos.

Timonium is the following weekend. Any news on that in the context of this list? I know Al Westerfield makes it a tradition. And Martin Lofton attended at least once. Does anyone know if he's coming this year?

Thanks ....Mike Del Vecchio

In a message dated 01/22/09 21:23:07 Eastern Standard Time, daowens@gmail.com writes:
Greetings:

This is a reminder about this weekend's 2009 Amherst Railway Society
Railroad Hobby Show in West Springfield, Mass.

Here are the basics:

The show is 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sat., Jan. 24; 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sun., Jan. 25

Admission is $10 a day. Kids 15 and under get in free when accompanied
by an adult. The Eastern States Exposition charges $5 for parking.

This year's show is again in four buildings – the Better Living
Center, the Young Building, the Stroh Building and the Mallory
Complex. Next year there's a good chance the show will expand into the
rest of the Mallory Complex.

There are hundreds of exhibitors and vendors and dozens of layouts.

Manufacturers/vendors attending include Atlas Model Railroad Co.,
Athearn, Branchline, Intermountain, Lionel, Bachmann Trains, Bob's
Photo, Bowser-Stewart, The Caboose, Broadway Limited, City Classics,
Con-Cor, Funaro & Camerlengo, Kadee, Kato USA, Marklin, Micro-Trains,
NCE, NJ International, Scenic Express, River Point Station, Speedwitch
Media, Sylvan Scale Models, Sheepscot Scale Models, Train Control
Systems, Tony's Train Exchange and Walthers Inc.

You can check the show's website, www.railroadhobbyshow.com, for more
information and for the location of exhibitors.

Thanks,

Dave Owens
West Hartford, Connecticut

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Re: Really big shoooows...

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Before I confuse anyone else, I was answering Mike's question if Sunshine
was going to be at Timonium. He will be according to the flyer I got anyway.
I do not know if he is going to be a West Springfield.

Brian Carlson

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:54:44 -0500, Schuyler Larrabee wrote

What's the kit?

But be warned: I go on Sunday, not Saturday, so there's a
possibility whatever you want will be gone if he doesn't bring many.
If you get an offer from someone going on Saturday, let me know.


sorry

Schuyler Larrabee
 

For the message obviously intended for Brian. I thought I'd learned to FORWARD private messages,
not REPLY, but apparently not . . . yet.



SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: modeling cable on a crane

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

Thanks to Bruce, Craig, Al, Robert and Don (off list) for your replys. I think I will try the EZ line. I will also check out the Beading stores that Robert mentions. I wouldn't be surprised if what they use is the same stuff as EZ Line.

Ned Carey_._,___


Lindberg Line

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

I found the builders photo in 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page 221.

Nothing in the 1925 CBC as far as I could see.

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lindberg Line


On Jan 22, 2009, at 10:30 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

...The gon is an Erie prototype, 2000 built by Standard Steel Car
Co. in
1923-1924. 749 were rebuilt with sawtooth hoppers in 1934. Richard
Reichenbach's did an article on these cars in a past issue of the
ELHS' publication. (My photocopy of the article has the date cut
off. Maybe one of the Erie guys can help you out with the date of
the article.) The 1925 CBC also has a builders photo of these cars.
These were large gons - 44 ft IL - and were used mainly for hauling
coal.

Original numbers were 43000-44999. The 749 cars rebuilt into quad
hoppers got the letter H prefixed to their numbers. From late 1937
to mid-1939 600 cars were rebuilt with drop doors removed and solid
steel floors and AB air brakes applied. They were renumbered
45000-45599 and, with some judicious re-detailing, can be modeled
with the Lindberg/Mantua models.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Intermountain flat cars

cabincar2834 <cwilson@...>
 

...and a DTI car can be used (perhaps with a home-road load from the Detroit
Tank Arsenal?

=======================

I have often seen the photo of a DT&I 911 with a load of Ford industrial tractors. The car
has a reweigh date of "JX 8-55" and has a compass herald (but predates the "We Have The
Connections" slogan). The reporting marks are "DT&I" rather than "DTI". I don't have
permission to upload this photo but I know that it has appeared in more than one
magazine.

When Wiking came out with their model of a similar tractor (not Fords but the Canadian-
built Fergusons - awfully, awfully close) I modeled this load using a flatcar highly
kitbashed from two Athearn 50-footers. My friends refer to this car as the "$80 load on a
$10 car." Pretty acceptable for what was available at the time but I am really looking
forward to moving the load to the IM car.

The Fallen Flags site has a photo of DTI 910 in the later scheme ("DTI" reporting marks
and slogan). It has been modified with special stake pockets which according to the DTI
equipment book were for "boat racks."

This photo is at: http://rr-fallenflags.org/dti/dti-f910alx.jpg

Some of these DT&I cars were given Ann Arbor RR reporting marks (but retaining all other
DTI lettering including the compass heralds) for special loading. A few got bulkheads for
"hardboard" loading out of the Superwood plant in Duluth, while others were modified
with special stake pockets and moveable racks for telephone pole loading. I have a copy
of the DT&I engineering drawing for the modifications to these pole cars. I'd upload
photos of the models but this service was out of the STMFC era (1968-1972). I am hoping
that IM eventually offers the DTI paint scheme which will make it much easier to do more
of these AA cars.

Craig Wilson


Re: Galvanized roofs

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
My best success for this color was Floquil Old Silver and Reefer Gray,
50/50, maybe a little more gray. It looks gray but there is a bit of
reflectivity to it.
Sounds about right. I like to have a few areas near the paint
edges a bit reflective, areas farther from those edges dead gray.

Tony Thompson

If you buff or abrade it, you can get some sheen to it.

SGL


Re: Really big shoooows...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

What's the kit?

But be warned: I go on Sunday, not Saturday, so there's a possibility whatever you want will be gone
if he doesn't bring many. If you get an offer from someone going on Saturday, let me know.

You can call my cell phone any evening after 9:00 up till around 11:00. No charges then. 617 864
3870

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian J Carlson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:56 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Really big shoooows...

I got a flyer from Martin and he said he is attending. BTW I need a kit if
anyone is going and could help me out.
Brian Carlson

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:32:43 -0500, MDelvec952 wrote
Yes, West Springfield is coming this weekend. Great show, huge show,
and lots of freight cars content, including Bob's Photos.

Timonium is the following weekend. Any news on that in the context
of this list? I know Al Westerfield makes it a tradition. And
Martin Lofton attended at least once. Does anyone know if he's
coming this year?

Thanks ....Mike Del Vecchio



Re: Really big shoooows...

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I got a flyer from Martin and he said he is attending. BTW I need a kit if
anyone is going and could help me out.
Brian Carlson

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:32:43 -0500, MDelvec952 wrote

Yes, West Springfield is coming this weekend. Great show, huge show,
and lots of freight cars content, including Bob's Photos.

Timonium is the following weekend. Any news on that in the context
of this list? I know Al Westerfield makes it a tradition. And
Martin Lofton attended at least once. Does anyone know if he's
coming this year?

Thanks ....Mike Del Vecchio


Re: Wabash colors (was Re: New Intermountain Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks!

Were the General Steel Castings flat cars painted the
same, or did Wabash switch to oxide red at some point?

And... I have the same question about the 65' Wabash mill
gondolas. I assume they were delivered black too. Were
they ever repainted oxide red?

Tim

Chet

Were the Wabash AAR flat cars painted black, or oxide red?
Black.

Richard Hendrickson


Really big shoooows...

MDelvec952
 

Yes, West Springfield is coming this weekend. Great show, huge show, and lots of freight cars content, including Bob's Photos.

Timonium is the following weekend. Any news on that in the context of this list? I know Al Westerfield makes it a tradition. And Martin Lofton attended at least once. Does anyone know if he's coming this year?

Thanks ....Mike Del Vecchio

In a message dated 01/22/09 21:23:07 Eastern Standard Time, daowens@gmail.com writes:
Greetings:

This is a reminder about this weekend's 2009 Amherst Railway Society
Railroad Hobby Show in West Springfield, Mass.

Here are the basics:

The show is 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sat., Jan. 24; 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sun., Jan. 25

Admission is $10 a day. Kids 15 and under get in free when accompanied
by an adult. The Eastern States Exposition charges $5 for parking.

This year's show is again in four buildings – the Better Living
Center, the Young Building, the Stroh Building and the Mallory
Complex. Next year there's a good chance the show will expand into the
rest of the Mallory Complex.

There are hundreds of exhibitors and vendors and dozens of layouts.

Manufacturers/vendors attending include Atlas Model Railroad Co.,
Athearn, Branchline, Intermountain, Lionel, Bachmann Trains, Bob's
Photo, Bowser-Stewart, The Caboose, Broadway Limited, City Classics,
Con-Cor, Funaro & Camerlengo, Kadee, Kato USA, Marklin, Micro-Trains,
NCE, NJ International, Scenic Express, River Point Station, Speedwitch
Media, Sylvan Scale Models, Sheepscot Scale Models, Train Control
Systems, Tony's Train Exchange and Walthers Inc.

You can check the show's website, www.railroadhobbyshow.com, for more
information and for the location of exhibitors.


Thanks,

Dave Owens
West Hartford, Connecticut

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Amherst Society's show in West Springfield, Mass. is this weekend

Dave Owens
 

Greetings:

This is a reminder about this weekend's 2009 Amherst Railway Society
Railroad Hobby Show in West Springfield, Mass.

Here are the basics:

The show is 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sat., Jan. 24; 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Sun., Jan. 25

Admission is $10 a day. Kids 15 and under get in free when accompanied
by an adult. The Eastern States Exposition charges $5 for parking.

This year's show is again in four buildings – the Better Living
Center, the Young Building, the Stroh Building and the Mallory
Complex. Next year there's a good chance the show will expand into the
rest of the Mallory Complex.

There are hundreds of exhibitors and vendors and dozens of layouts.

Manufacturers/vendors attending include Atlas Model Railroad Co.,
Athearn, Branchline, Intermountain, Lionel, Bachmann Trains, Bob's
Photo, Bowser-Stewart, The Caboose, Broadway Limited, City Classics,
Con-Cor, Funaro & Camerlengo, Kadee, Kato USA, Marklin, Micro-Trains,
NCE, NJ International, Scenic Express, River Point Station, Speedwitch
Media, Sylvan Scale Models, Sheepscot Scale Models, Train Control
Systems, Tony's Train Exchange and Walthers Inc.

You can check the show's website, www.railroadhobbyshow.com, for more
information and for the location of exhibitors.


Thanks,

Dave Owens
West Hartford, Connecticut


Re: modeling cable on a crane

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ned Carey writes:

"I have a Barnhart log loader (a type of crane)..."

Ah yes. But not a type of frt car. Ned, Ned, you need to venture back down to Cocoa Beach, warm up and...ooops...well, not tonight but surely tommorrow...anyhow, attend some of the clinics so you'll better understand the differences between a log loader crane and a frt car.

"I bought some thread for model ship building but was disappointed. Despite the description, it had fuzz. Apparently modelers use beeswax to cut down on the fuzz but that seems like it would make it look even less like a cable."

Before I terminate this out of scope thread, I'll mention that I used thread with something applied to it...a lot of help, eh?...and it really reduced the fuzz. By far the biggest problem was keeping the thread from snagging on the pulley attachments rather than staying in the pulleys. A nightmare. I finally realized that the only hope was to keep the "cable" under tension.

"Is there a group specifically for modeling MOW
equipment?"

Yep. There's a Yahoo group...North_American_M-O-W@yahoogroups.com

Mike Brock


Re: New Intermountain Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Chet

Were the Wabash AAR flat cars painted black, or oxide red?




Black.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Intermountain Cars

jerryglow2
 

I don't like what I see on the web site shot. The trend has been
toward wire for underbody plumbing and rods but in the pic they look
like the molded items we've seen in the past. Is it wire or ??

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "gn3397" <heninger@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Hunter, James R." <jhunter@> wrote:

I just received my Intermountain GN plywood boxcar. Anyone care
to
comment on its accuracy?
Jim
From photos I have seen, the IM GN Plywood cars are solid 3-
footers. Biggest gripes: The
side sill detail is too shallow, I think the sheathing attachment
bolts are too large, and on the
painted orange and green examples I have seen, they are painted
incorrectly. The sides of
the ends should be green. It's too bad they couldn't have executed
these cars as well as their
covered hoppers.

Bottom line: I am a GN modeler, and I will be sticking with my
Sunshine cars.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Lindberg Line

Tim O'Connor
 

As a 7 year old, my dad bought me a train w/ a Revell PRR gondola,
an Athearn UP F7A, Athearn UP stock car, and Revell UP CA-1 caboose.
I was a prototype modeler and didn't even know it!

Tim O'Connor

While we are discussing older manufacturers, does the Revell wood caboose
have a prototype, please?
Cheers
Dave

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