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Re: Overland Models 8K GATX Tank Car Question

Bruce Smith
 

On Wed, January 28, 2009 8:15 pm, parkcitybranch wrote:
I have been doing some looking in the archives and couldn't find this
particualr car addressed. I am looking for a brass tank car for my
fleet and a GATX car would be perfect. Overland models produced a
GATX tankcar OMI Number 3271 and labeled these as 1940 to 1960 era
cars and 8K gallon capacity. Does anyone know if these models are
fairly accurate?
Jason,

"Overland GAT" brought up a quite a number of comments. In particular, in
Messages #29751 and #29762, Tim O'Conner and Richard Hendrickson cover
almost all of your questions about brass tank cars.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Overland Models 8K GATX Tank Car Question

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I have been doing some looking in the archives and couldn't find this
particualr car addressed. I am looking for a brass tank car for my
fleet and a GATX car would be perfect. Overland models produced a
GATX tankcar OMI Number 3271 and labeled these as 1940 to 1960 era
cars and 8K gallon capacity. Does anyone know if these models are
fairly accurate?

Can anyone suggest an alternative for a 1941 tank car in brass for
either GATX, SHPX, or UTLX?

Thanks,
Jason Sanford


Re: Sunshine Models at Timonium

Jack Burgess
 

Brian wished:
Maybe he'll stay home and ship orders, then? It's been almost four months
since I sent in my order.
You have at least two more months to wait....<g>

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Sunshine Models at Timonium

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Maybe he'll stay home and ship orders, then? It's been almost four months
since I sent in my order.
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni

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Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Models at Timonium


Martin Lofton called me a little while ago amd asked me to post a message on
the STMFC list for him since he does
not have access to the internet.
Because of the ice and snow storm in the mid-west and east coast Sunshine
Models WILL NOT be attending the
Timonium show this weekend. He said he doesn't think he would be able to get
through and probibly get stuck
somewhere along the way.
Charlie Slater


Re: accurate Barber trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 26, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

For those who lack having enough Branchline Barber S2-A trucks, I
have a good supply priced at $0.85/pair less wheelsets.




Andy please send me ten pair. Assuming that $1.50 will cover packing
and postage, I'm sending you a check for $10 in tomorrow's mail.
Thanks!

Richard Hendrickson
444 Monte Vista Drive
Ashland, OR 97520


Sunshine Models at Timonium

charles slater
 

Martin Lofton called me a little while ago amd asked me to post a message on the STMFC list for him since he does
not have access to the internet.
Because of the ice and snow storm in the mid-west and east coast Sunshine Models WILL NOT be attending the
Timonium show this weekend. He said he doesn't think he would be able to get through and probibly get stuck
somewhere along the way.
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Re: Potato shipping

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: wohrnell@sbcglobal.net

The other, I failed to turn off the fans on an empty and it caught fire, the train crew set it out on a siding. The fire was so hot it warped the rails.

----- Original Message -----

Why would this cause a fire - did the bearings burn out?

KL


Re: W&LE single sheathed box cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Ed,

I wonder if you can make those vertical ribbed ends with the ends from
Intermountain USRA gons?
I would never have thought of that!

RDG used those ribbed sheets (used on some USRA cars including the
composite gondolas) as replacement sheets for 9 ribbed, 2 bay hoppers,
both for ends and even slope sheets.
I'm sure a kitbash of that sort would gather a few comments indeed! I would be fearful to run display the model without having a photo of such a car on me just to alay any doubts from others!

- Claus Schlund


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Subject: [STMFC] Re: W&LE single sheathed box cars

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:
I've always thought these W&LE single-sheathed box cars would be fun
to build as they are definitely quite unusual.
Altho the ones I have seen were single-door cars, not "door and a
half" cars that Ed described.


I think you're right about the door Claus; maybe I was thinking about
cars with single doors.

I think all agree - unusual.

I wonder if you can make those vertical ribbed ends with the ends from
Intermountain USRA gons?

RDG used those ribbed sheets (used on some USRA cars including the
composite gondolas) as replacement sheets for 9 ribbed, 2 bay hoppers,
both for ends and even slope sheets.

Ed


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Tarriffs... was Re: Potato shipping

Tom Campbell
 

Speaking of tarriffs... I've been looking for tarriffs that would
cover the Sacramento switching district for the SP and/or the WP for
1950 - but also going back to the 30s. I've tried the California
State Archives and they say they've thrown out their copies of tarrifs
from their old CRC/PUC records.

I'm looking for suggestions for other institutions where I might find
them.

I'm trying to track down when the applicable tarriff started defining
what a team track was. I know they didn't define the term back in
1935 - there was a whole California Railroad Commission case because of
that omission. My guess is that after that case they did, but I'd like
to find out for sure.

The things that keep me up at night... :-)

Tom Campbell
Elk Grove, CA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:


For the 1950s, the tariff in force was no. 15, but I'm sure all
the tariffs prior to and up to no. 18 also included these matters.
Those tariff books are around 500 pages each, and they provide in all
cases a number of "standard" arrangements, such as the temperature
Larry mentions, as well as permitting the shipper to specify anything
they wished to specify. (One drawback to doing so was that carrier
responsibility for damage was lessened.)


Re: W&LE single sheathed box cars

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:
I've always thought these W&LE single-sheathed box cars would be fun
to build as they are definitely quite unusual.
Altho the ones I have seen were single-door cars, not "door and a
half" cars that Ed described.


I think you're right about the door Claus; maybe I was thinking about
cars with single doors.

I think all agree - unusual.

I wonder if you can make those vertical ribbed ends with the ends from
Intermountain USRA gons?

RDG used those ribbed sheets (used on some USRA cars including the
composite gondolas) as replacement sheets for 9 ribbed, 2 bay hoppers,
both for ends and even slope sheets.

Ed


Re: Potato shipping

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Lenny Ohrnell wrote:
Someone asked about vents, roof hatches/vents on potato loads were closed at 32 and opened at 33 degrees. Some commodities had instructions to vent on irons. I believe National Perishable Protective Tariff 18 covered the movement of perishables.
For the 1950s, the tariff in force was no. 15, but I'm sure all the tariffs prior to and up to no. 18 also included these matters. Those tariff books are around 500 pages each, and they provide in all cases a number of "standard" arrangements, such as the temperature Larry mentions, as well as permitting the shipper to specify anything they wished to specify. (One drawback to doing so was that carrier responsibility for damage was lessened.)

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Pennsy Stock Car Questions

Bruce Smith
 

I have a some questions about Pennsylvania RR stock cars and I am hoping
that someone can help out. I don't know much about the Pennsy since my layout is
based in Oklahoma City in the year 1926 and my interest mainly lies in
western railroads. First, I have been doing a lot of research on the different
freight car types for my era. And since the Pennsy is so big, I feel that I need
a couple or three of their stock cars. So here is a quick summary of what
the Pennsy had using my 1926 ORER as a guide. Ke class -> 1 car: stock carKf
class -> 136 cars: steel underframe stock car (Westerfield)Kfa class -> 1,981
cars: steel underframe stock car (Westerfield)Ky class -> 8 cars: horse carK7
class -> 25 cars: steel underframe stock car The real stockyard in Oklahoma
City had holding pens for cows, hogs, sheep, mules, and horses. So of course
I would need a couple or three horse cars.
Steve,

I think I would go with the KFa. While the KY class may have been a "horse car", it was quite common to move horses in regular single deck or convertible (running as single deck) stock cars. The KFa with its PRR "family" fishbelly side sill will convey that "standard railroad" impression, especially if you have some PRR XL boxcars and maybe an RF reefer in FGE livery - which you should have, given your date ;^)

The only rub I see is that it appears from the Westerfield web page that the KFa is only offered in a pre-safety appliances version (kit 8703), rather than the post-safety appliances version you need. A quick check with Al might be in order to see if there is a later version of the kit.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Pennsy Stock Car Questions

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Andy Miller wrote:

Steve,

As far as I know the PRR had only one K7. All the rest were K7a's. The
difference is in the convertible second deck. The K7 did not have one.
Andy,

Not exactly. There were 25 K7 cars were built new based on the X23 boxcar. The K7a cars were converted from X24 automobile cars.

And, yes, I think the BLI car is an excellent model.
But not correct for his period.

The other stock car you should consider is the K8. They existed in 1926.
See http://prr.railfan.net/documents/ModernLocosandCars1926.html/ page14.jpg.
They were fundamentally the stock car version of the famous X29 box car.
No one has made a respectable model of one in plastic or resin, but I have
had some success in kit bashing them from old Trains Miniature stock cars
building new doors and a new roof.
We keep lobbying for this car, you and I. I have mentioned it to several interested parties and we can only hope <VBG>


Regards
Bruce

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Re: Potato shipping

wohrnell@...
 

Jerry,

Another cause of fires in addition to a heater coming unfastened and tipping over as you said was the failure to shut off the circulating fans. I had one of each a heater turned over and caught fire destroying the load of potatoes.

The other, I failed to turn off the fans on an empty and it caught fire, the train crew set it out on a siding. The fire was so hot it warped the rails.

Someone asked about vents, roof hatches/vents on potato loads were closed at 32 and opened at 33 degrees. Some commodities had instructions to vent on irons. I believe National Perishable Protective Tariff 18 covered the movement of perishables.

Lenny Ohrnell


Re: W&LE single sheathed box cars

al_brown03
 

There are several published photos of the W&LE 27000 series.

A carbody in a junkyard is pictured in MM 12/85 p28.

The Rensselaer website has a discussion and links to five photos:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/article.php?article=1744

Corns's W&LE book, pp 58-59, has photos of W&LE 27439 and 27683, the
latter experimentally fitted with Simplex roller-bearing arch-bar
trucks.

A builders photo of W&LE 27342 is shown in TS CYC 67 p 417, in an ad
for Camel door fixtures. This is one of the photos accessed from the
RPI site, but the TS CYC version IMO is clearer.

There's an end-on builder's shot of W&LE 27024 in the '22 CBC, p 384.

Weird wonderful cars.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Ed and list members,

Ed Mines wrote:

I recall that W&LE had some single sheathed door and a half box
cars
with 2 panel, verical ribbed steel ends like PM double sheathed
box
cars.
The cars were real "odd ducks" with 3 diagonals on one side and 2
on
the other, similar to PM cars. However whereas the the PM cars had
Pratt trusses on the sides (diagonal adjacent to the doors on the
bottom) the W&LE cars had more conventional Howe trusses with the
diagonals adjacent to the doors at the top.
I've always thought these W&LE single-sheathed box cars would be
fun to build as they are definitely quite unusual.

Altho the ones I have seen were single-door cars, not "door and a
half" cars that Ed described.

A good builders photo of W&LE 27998 shows up in the Westerfield
AC&F builders photo CD as image 9110.JPG

An in-service photo of W&LE 27009 (?) appears in Pennsy Power 3 by
Staufer on page 109.

Anyone know of any other good photos of these?

- Claus Schlund


Re: Pennsy Stock Car Questions

cinderandeight@...
 

Steve,
There were 25 K7 stock car, all built for the Vandalia RR subsidiary of
the Pennsy. They were the stock version of the X23 box car design. The K7A
design didn't come along until the mid-1930's. They were rebuilt from class
X24 auto box cars. As such there were noticeably taller than the K7 (about 8").
The KF and KFa cars date to the first decade of the 20th century, with a
few built in the early teens. (adopted 1903, and 1908 respectively). The KF
was a convertible single/double deck car. In later years the decking was
removed to convert most KF's to KFa class.
The K8 was the backbone of the fleet through the 1920-1935 era until K7A
rebuilds appeared. Both classes lasted in service in sizable numbers until
1960 when rebuilt steel auto cars produced the K9 and K11 cars, and their
various sub classes. For a discussion of this see my article in RMC Jan. 1993 PP
101-108.
The KY was an oddball class. It was built for Line West subsidiaries
(Vandalia RR, Pittsburgh Ft. Wayne & Chicago) About 140 cars were built. Lines
West cars that were given PRR classes usually received a class subletter from
the end of the alphabet. The builders photo of KY can be found in the
National Archives of Canada (negative #PA188515). They were wood underframe, truss
rod stock cars adopted in 1899. Contact me off site if you want to see how it
looked.

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Re: Pennsy Stock Car Questions

S hed <shed999@...>
 

You are right.... the Pennsy takes up 33 pages in my ORER so I did miss some stock cars including the K8. So here is a revision of PRR stock cars in 1926.

Ke 1 car
Kf 174
Kfa 2,153
Ky 8
K7 25
K8 1,000
1926 TOTAL = 3,361 cars

It is too bad that no one makes a K8 stock car even though they were built in 1924, they lasted to at least 1963. It even looks like it was the second most stock car class that the Pennsy had in the 1940s and 1950s after the K7a.

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Re: MILW Rib Side Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 27, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Richard

This is the only 50 foot car so far (AFAIK) -- #5260
http://ribsidecars.com/ribsidecars_014.htm





Thanks, Tim. Your response came as a surprise, as I had intended to
e-mail Ron directly but obviously I screwed up and sent it to the
whole list. Anyway, that's a model I'd like to have, so I'll order it.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: MILW Rib Side Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

This is the only 50 foot car so far (AFAIK) -- #5260
http://ribsidecars.com/ribsidecars_014.htm

Tim

Ron, I'm interested in the Rib Side 50' models but can't find a
listing anywhere of what's available. Can you help me out here? I'd
like to model one of the 13000-13999 series double door cars and
maybe one of 50000-50574 series single door cars as well, in both
cases in ca. 1947 paint and lettering.
Richard Hendrickson


Re: Pennsy Stock Car Questions

Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

Steve,

As far as I know the PRR had only one K7. All the rest were K7a's. The difference is in the convertible second deck. The K7 did not have one.

And, yes, I think the BLI car is an excellent model.

The other stock car you should consider is the K8. They existed in 1926. See http://prr.railfan.net/documents/ModernLocosandCars1926.html/page14.jpg. They were fundamentally the stock car version of the famous X29 box car. No one has made a respectable model of one in plastic or resin, but I have had some success in kit bashing them from old Trains Miniature stock cars building new doors and a new roof.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Pennsy Stock Car Questions



I have a some questions about Pennsylvania RR stock cars and I am hoping that someone can help out. I don't know much about the Pennsy since my layout is based in Oklahoma City in the year 1926 and my interest mainly lies in western railroads. First, I have been doing a lot of research on the different freight car types for my era. And since the Pennsy is so big, I feel that I need a couple or three of their stock cars. So here is a quick summary of what the Pennsy had using my 1926 ORER as a guide. Ke class -> 1 car: stock carKf class -> 136 cars: steel underframe stock car (Westerfield)Kfa class -> 1,981 cars: steel underframe stock car (Westerfield)Ky class -> 8 cars: horse carK7 class -> 25 cars: steel underframe stock car The real stockyard in Oklahoma City had holding pens for cows, hogs, sheep, mules, and horses. So of course I would need a couple or three horse cars. I have no idea what a Pennsy Ky class car looks like. It would be helpful if anyone can point me in the right direction on getting a photo and information on these cars? I know 8 cars are not a whole lot, but the Oklahoma City National Stockyard was a big deal back then and it still is a big deal now. And they hold auctions on all types of horse breeds. So a Pennsy horse car showing up at my stock yard is competely plausable and realistic. The next question is about the K7 class car. How close is it to the K7a class car that Broadway makes? I know that there were not many K7 cars but if the K7a car is exactly the same then I may get one. If nothing else but to hear the sheep or cows sounds coming from the car. My last question and probably the most interesting one is this. I have ORERs for 1915, 1919, 1925, and 1926 and I discovered in my 1919 and 1925 ORERs that the Pennsy leased Mather stock cars. The Pennsy did not assign them a class number so I only have the series numbers to go by and here they are: 626501 to 626700 36' Single Deck: 1919 - 100 cars; 1925 - 126 cars; 1926 - 0 cars626701 to 627019 36' Double Deck: 1919 - 150 cars; 1925 - 77 cars; 1926 - 0 cars627020 to 627279 36' Single Deck: 1919 - 233 cars; 1925 - 180 cars; 1926 - 0 cars627280 to 627300 36' Single Deck: 1919 - 17 cars; 1925 - 11 cars; 1926 - 0 cars TOTAL: 1919 - 500 cars; 1925 - 394 cars; 1926 - 0 cars So I would imagine that they looked like this B&O 36' Mather Stock Car (see attachment) but I have never seen a photo of one of these cars. Does anyone know anything about these cars? This is a big chuck of the Pennsy's stock car fleet in 1925 if you compare it to my above list. So any data or information would be heplful. Thanks,Steve HedlundEverett, WA
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