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Re: ATSF MOW cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

The instructions to the Sunshine Santa Fe Work Train set (our of production) state "battleship gray paint is a matter of choice. The Budger Primer is a suitable shade of gray. This gray has a blue hue to it. Keith Jordan recommends use of D&H Gray because it has a warmer or brown hue."

Bill Childers in the Santa Fe Modeler reported "The interior of most cars appears to have been pale green (Apple Green) with some dining cars having tan interiors."
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----- Original Message -----
From: peteraue
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF MOW cars


Hi all,
I have a few freight cars which are too "old" for revenue service on
my 1950 ATSF layout. They would be perfect for MOW service and I'd
like to repaint them "battleship grey" as they should be. What is the
right color or color mix? I am normally using Floquil.
Peter Aue


ATSF MOW cars

peteraue
 

Hi all,
I have a few freight cars which are too "old" for revenue service on
my 1950 ATSF layout. They would be perfect for MOW service and I'd
like to repaint them "battleship grey" as they should be. What is the
right color or color mix? I am normally using Floquil.
Peter Aue


Railway Express Agency red diamond scheme

Edward Bridges <coerhistorian@...>
 

I have conflicting information about when the Railway Express Agency
started to use the red diamond on its freight cars. One source
claims it was 1955, while a book and decal set claim it was 1953.

Which is correct? I'm modeling a freelanced railroad set in Southern
Illinois in 1954, so I'll have some REA cars, but I want to paint
them correctly.

I want to use both wooden and steel referigerator cars. I know at
least one wooden car got the red diamond on it, the caption for the
picture said it was taken in 1953.

I figured someone in this group would know the answer.

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

Edward Bridges
President & CEO
Prairie State Railroad
Marion, Illinois


Re: Freight cars with Klasing Hand Brakes

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...>
wrote:

GN 88789

GN 88500-88999 series built by Haskell & Barker 1920. A 1927 diagram
says "PERFECTION - HANDBRAKE". Then there is a 10-5-37 AFE on "Equip
500 ore cars, series 88000-88999 with power hand brakes". An 8-27-40
AFE took care of the remaining 500 cars. A diagram revised to '42
states that 250 cars received Universal power hand brake, 250 received
Ajax.

Staffan Ehnbom
Staffan
Your information suggests that the car in my photo is another example
of the installation of a single hamd brake example for test or
promotional purposes. Thank you for the information.

Gene Green


Re: Freight cars with Klasing Hand Brakes

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

GN 88789

GN 88500-88999 series built by Haskell & Barker 1920. A 1927 diagram says "PERFECTION - HANDBRAKE". Then there is a 10-5-37 AFE on "Equip 500 ore cars, series 88000-88999 with power hand brakes". An 8-27-40 AFE took care of the remaining 500 cars. A diagram revised to '42 states that 250 cars received Universal power hand brake, 250 received Ajax.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Green
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight cars with Klasing Hand Brakes


As was reported earlier in this forum, Klasing Hand Brake has been
sold to New York Air Brake. Wayne Klasing is going through the files
and sorting out material to be preserved, material to go to New York
Air Brake and material to go to the dump. Some is going to the
Mercantile Library in St. Louis. Wayne has also spoken of material
being sent to the museum in Green Bay. I will report more
specifically where material is being sent when I know more.

In the meantime, Wayne sent a nice stack of office copy machine
copies of photographs that are to be preserved. These photographs
show Klasing hand brakes on a variety of cars as listed below.

Can anyone shed any more light on these freight cars?

Specifically I would like to know the number series, date built and
builder if possible (if I haven't already listed it).

Also, if known, were Klasing hand brakes used on the entire order?

1. B&LE all-steel gondola 36500 (not sure of 2nd digit) with
Dreadnaught drop ends.

2. CIM gondola 9000 class GKA with fixed Dreadnaught ends. Reweigh
date reads, "M.S.C.CO. C R. 3-38"

3. CRR (Clinchfield?) box car 5249 built by Greenville when ?.

4. CWP&SRR gondola 1202 built 11-3?.

5. EJ&E gondola with Dreadnaught drop ends built 5-1937.

6. Erie covered hopper 20000 blt by Greenville Steel Car Co. New 7-
34.

7. GN ore car 88789.

8. HHCX tank car 596. This Klasing hand brake may be fitted to an
older car.

9. L&N open hopper 61033 built 1-38 by Mt. Vernon.

10. MILW gondola 80309 blt 12-37 has wood sides and Dreadnaught drop
ends.

11. MK&T 31230 (could be 81230) gondola with steel side sills and
wood sides and ends.

12. MKT all-steel, double-door, double-sheathed box car 60054 built
9-37 w/Youngtown doors and Dreadnaugh Square corner ends.

13. MP open hopper 55054

14. MP box car 82699 blt 4-27 automobile with double doors has
Dreadnaught square corner end.

15. NYC all-steel gondola 710000 with Dreadnaught drop ends.

16. NYC box car 163700.

17. NYC open hopper 868000 new 4-48 blt by D.S. Inc. East Roch.
N.Y. Lot? 769-H.

18. P&LE all-steel gondola 40000 with Dreadnaught drop ends.

19. PM 85500 automobile & furniture has ends with vertical ribs a la
Murphy and a riveted seam right down the middle of the end.

20. PM 52863 double sheathed box car.

21. PRR all-steel gondola 347304 with Dreadnaught drop ends built 8-
36, class G27. Again, Klasing hand brake may be fitted to an older
car.

22. Rock Island 67999 reefer, blt 2-24. This photo appeared in one
of the Car Builders' Cycs.

23. SDRX tank car 10839 looks like it was built by Standard Tank Car
or General American.

24. SP box car 63579 built by Mt. Vernon when?

25. W&LE all steel gondola? with drop ends. "RPKD 8 16 32 C.C.CO.
CANTON. O."

26. W&LE open hopper 61000 blt 10-36, Lot # 5538.

27. WSWX open hopper 386. Again, this may be fitted to an older car.

Gene Green
OitwTtoEP





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Freight cars with Klasing Hand Brakes

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

As was reported earlier in this forum, Klasing Hand Brake has been
sold to New York Air Brake. Wayne Klasing is going through the files
and sorting out material to be preserved, material to go to New York
Air Brake and material to go to the dump. Some is going to the
Mercantile Library in St. Louis. Wayne has also spoken of material
being sent to the museum in Green Bay. I will report more
specifically where material is being sent when I know more.

In the meantime, Wayne sent a nice stack of office copy machine
copies of photographs that are to be preserved. These photographs
show Klasing hand brakes on a variety of cars as listed below.

Can anyone shed any more light on these freight cars?

Specifically I would like to know the number series, date built and
builder if possible (if I haven't already listed it).

Also, if known, were Klasing hand brakes used on the entire order?

1. B&LE all-steel gondola 36500 (not sure of 2nd digit) with
Dreadnaught drop ends.

2. CIM gondola 9000 class GKA with fixed Dreadnaught ends. Reweigh
date reads, "M.S.C.CO. C R. 3-38"

3. CRR (Clinchfield?) box car 5249 built by Greenville when ?.

4. CWP&SRR gondola 1202 built 11-3?.

5. EJ&E gondola with Dreadnaught drop ends built 5-1937.

6. Erie covered hopper 20000 blt by Greenville Steel Car Co. New 7-
34.

7. GN ore car 88789.

8. HHCX tank car 596. This Klasing hand brake may be fitted to an
older car.

9. L&N open hopper 61033 built 1-38 by Mt. Vernon.

10. MILW gondola 80309 blt 12-37 has wood sides and Dreadnaught drop
ends.

11. MK&T 31230 (could be 81230) gondola with steel side sills and
wood sides and ends.

12. MKT all-steel, double-door, double-sheathed box car 60054 built
9-37 w/Youngtown doors and Dreadnaugh Square corner ends.

13. MP open hopper 55054

14. MP box car 82699 blt 4-27 automobile with double doors has
Dreadnaught square corner end.

15. NYC all-steel gondola 710000 with Dreadnaught drop ends.

16. NYC box car 163700.

17. NYC open hopper 868000 new 4-48 blt by D.S. Inc. East Roch.
N.Y. Lot? 769-H.

18. P&LE all-steel gondola 40000 with Dreadnaught drop ends.

19. PM 85500 automobile & furniture has ends with vertical ribs a la
Murphy and a riveted seam right down the middle of the end.

20. PM 52863 double sheathed box car.

21. PRR all-steel gondola 347304 with Dreadnaught drop ends built 8-
36, class G27. Again, Klasing hand brake may be fitted to an older
car.

22. Rock Island 67999 reefer, blt 2-24. This photo appeared in one
of the Car Builders' Cycs.

23. SDRX tank car 10839 looks like it was built by Standard Tank Car
or General American.

24. SP box car 63579 built by Mt. Vernon when?

25. W&LE all steel gondola? with drop ends. "RPKD 8 16 32 C.C.CO.
CANTON. O."

26. W&LE open hopper 61000 blt 10-36, Lot # 5538.

27. WSWX open hopper 386. Again, this may be fitted to an older car.

Gene Green
OitwTtoEP


3 new resin kits in HO for pre-WWI modelers from Silver Crash Car Works

Adrian Hundhausen
 

Grp; anyone modeling pre-1918 should check out our three new kits at
www.silvercrashcarworks.com <http://www.silvercrashcarworks.com> . The
3 cars are an ATSF 28' boxcar which ran until 1917, a Colorado Midland
/ATSF stock car which ran into the early 20s, and our 'Extract of Beef
Trust' 34' reefer (thanks to Tony Thompson for inspiring the name) -
which is a standard Armour-owned reefer adaptable to many variations.
We hope you like them!

Best,

Adrian Hundhausen


Re: Ventura County Railway Sugar Beet Gondolas

Andy Carlson
 

Neat historical coverage. Thousand Oaks sure didn't look that during 1983-86 timeframe.

Al Kresse

And my hometown hadn't even acquired its current name (that came during the anti-German hysteria of WW1 made Charles Nordhoff's name unacceptable).But we had our own RR branch!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Ventura County Railway Sugar Beet Gondolas

water.kresse@...
 

Neat historical coverage.  Thousand Oaks sure didn't look that during 1983-86 timeframe.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:08:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Ventura County Railway Sugar Beet Gondolas

The quality of the photo is not too good but on Page 17 in the document
on the link below is an image of Ventura County Railway sugar beet
gondolas.  I believe the image was taken in 1915 or earlier.  The link:

http://www.hellolosangeles.com/BookFiles/Chap7_Ventura_county1.pdf

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA




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Re: Doors for NYC Lot 773-B boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

Jeff English posted once that he had a builder photo
of a 703-B with 7 panel Superior doors. But he didn't
specify a car number. In addition as you say various
703-B's were assigned to 83000/84000/87000 series as
XAP's. And some of the 703-B box cars were rebuilt as
cabooses!

Tim O'Connor

Lot 703-B was series 157000-158072 built by Despatch Shops in 1941-42.
These were 1937 AAR box cars with 10' inside height, so to fit on the
Lot 773-B cars they had to be made 6" taller. All photos I've seen from
this series had the prewar style YSD like that furnished in the Red
Caboose kit.
Ed Hawkins


Re: Ventura County Railway Sugar Beet Gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
The quality of the photo is not too good but on Page 17 in the document on the link below is an image of Ventura County Railway sugar beet gondolas. I believe the image was taken in 1915 or earlier. The link:
http://www.hellolosangeles.com/BookFiles/Chap7_Ventura_county1.pdf
Interesting photo, Bob. This is clearly the American Beet Sugar Company plant at Oxnard, built in 1898; there is a photo of it in Signor's _SP Coast Line_ book, page 20.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Ventura County Railway Sugar Beet Gondolas

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

The quality of the photo is not too good but on Page 17 in the document
on the link below is an image of Ventura County Railway sugar beet
gondolas. I believe the image was taken in 1915 or earlier. The link:

http://www.hellolosangeles.com/BookFiles/Chap7_Ventura_county1.pdf

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Doors for NYC Lot 773-B boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Mark Heiden wrote:

I'm looking for some information concerning the doors used on New York
Central boxcars from Lot 773-B. These cars were numbered NYC 168000-
168999, built in 1949. Both Superior and Youngstown doors seem to have
been used; NYC 168111 had a Superior door, while NYC 168658 and 168737
had Youngstown doors. Does anyone know how many cars recieved which
doors, and the breakdown in car numbers?
Mark,
While your question is innocent enough, the answer isn't easy to
determine with the available data. Perhaps Jeff English has more data
to offer based on information beyond what I have.

According to the NYC diagram dated 1/1/54, the Lot 773-B order was
broken into two groups: 168000-168399 and 168400-168999. However, NYC
diagrams do not specify the type of doors or any other specialty
items. Based on photos we might conclude that the first 400 cars had
Superior and the last 600 had Youngstown, but that would be
speculation.

To further document individual cars, photos of 168632, 168736, and
168770 show YSD. In addition to 168658 and 168737, all of these were
the postwar style door like that offered by Branchline Trains in their
40' box car kits having 6' door openings. The only photo I've seen from
168000-168399 is the same one you have seen (168111) having 7-panel
Superior doors with evenly-spaced panels.

Note 1 on the NYC diagram states that 200 cars (168400-168599) have
repair doors from Lot 703-B modified to dimensionally suit Lot 773-B.
Note 2 states 200 cars from Lot 773-B assigned temporary Pacemaker
service with no change to road numbers (Note 2 has nothing to do with
the type of doors).

Lot 703-B was series 157000-158072 built by Despatch Shops in 1941-42.
These were 1937 AAR box cars with 10' inside height, so to fit on the
Lot 773-B cars they had to be made 6" taller. All photos I've seen from
this series had the prewar style YSD like that furnished in the Red
Caboose kit. Some of the Lot 703-B cars were modified and apparently
renumbered (only 797 of 1,073 cars remained in series 157000-158072 in
4/51). The 200 sets of doors from Lot 703-B were likely made available
because of cars that were modified. There are a bunch of small groups
of cars numbered in the 84000-87999 series having various sized door
openings and some with 10' IH. I could not find anything definitive
about the modifications to the 200 cars from Lot 703-B and what they
became.

Maybe someone on the STMFC has a photo from series 168400-168599 to
help determine what these modified doors looked like.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

David Friedman
 

I have an O scale MKT wood reefer from Chooch on ebay now. Old and out of production.


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Re: Bob from Bob's Photos

reporterllc
 

Thanks much Andy!

Victor


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Miller" <aslmmiller@...> wrote:

Liljestrand

regards,

Andy Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: wabash2813
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bob from Bob's Photos


Does anyone have his last name? I recall it starts with an "L"

Also I heard that he moved again and his current address is:

Bobs Photos
P.O. Box 52, Wallingford, KY 41093.

Phone
is 606-845-3323

Is this correct?

Hopefully he will be at the Ann Arbor Model RR club train show
again
this year in Saline, Michigan Feb 15.

Thanks in advance
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana





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Re: Bob from Bob's Photos

reporterllc
 

Thanks much Andy!

Victor


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Miller" <aslmmiller@...> wrote:

Liljestrand

regards,

Andy Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: wabash2813
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bob from Bob's Photos


Does anyone have his last name? I recall it starts with an "L"

Also I heard that he moved again and his current address is:

Bobs Photos
P.O. Box 52, Wallingford, KY 41093.

Phone
is 606-845-3323

Is this correct?

Hopefully he will be at the Ann Arbor Model RR club train show
again
this year in Saline, Michigan Feb 15.

Thanks in advance
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana





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Re: Bob from Bob's Photos

Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

Liljestrand

regards,

Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----
From: wabash2813
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bob from Bob's Photos


Does anyone have his last name? I recall it starts with an "L"

Also I heard that he moved again and his current address is:

Bobs Photos
P.O. Box 52, Wallingford, KY 41093.

Phone
is 606-845-3323

Is this correct?

Hopefully he will be at the Ann Arbor Model RR club train show again
this year in Saline, Michigan Feb 15.

Thanks in advance
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Bob from Bob's Photos

reporterllc
 

Does anyone have his last name? I recall it starts with an "L"

Also I heard that he moved again and his current address is:


Bobs Photos
P.O. Box 52, Wallingford, KY 41093.

Phone
is 606-845-3323


Is this correct?

Hopefully he will be at the Ann Arbor Model RR club train show again
this year in Saline, Michigan Feb 15.

Thanks in advance
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Doors for NYC Lot 773-B boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some information concerning the doors used on New York
Central boxcars from Lot 773-B. These cars were numbered NYC 168000-
168999, built in 1949. Both Superior and Youngstown doors seem to have
been used; NYC 168111 had a Superior door, while NYC 168658 and 168737
had Youngstown doors. Does anyone know how many cars recieved which
doors, and the breakdown in car numbers?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


New Photo Galleries Posted on Proto48 Modeler

losgatos48@...
 

We just added several new photo galleries to the Proto48 Modelers website.
http://www.proto48.org/p48_photos.htm

Gene Deimling
editor, Proto48 Modeler
http://www.proto48.org

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