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Re: Is this a new model?

Tim O'Connor
 

There are some subtle differences in WE cars too, like
the roofs someone mentioned. Martin never did the Wabash
cars because the bracing is slightly different. But I'm
glad to see the car in plastic, because that means one
or three will show up on the club layout...

Tim

At 2/13/2009 04:26 PM Friday, you wrote:
I'll keep my eyes peeled. I wouldn't say "Intermountain has been doing a really good job
on their models recently" myself; they have made too many egregious errors in colors
(among other things) for me to buy sight unseen, and the underframe detailing is, well,
crude by today's standards, and especially compared to their first offering, the PFE R-40-
23!

Brian Ehni

Re: Is this a new model?

brianehni <behni@...>
 

I'll keep my eyes peeled. I wouldn't say "Intermountain has been doing a really good job
on their models recently" myself; they have made too many egregious errors in colors
(among other things) for me to buy sight unseen, and the underframe detailing is, well,
crude by today's standards, and especially compared to their first offering, the PFE R-40-
23!

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@..., "sparachuk" <sparachuk@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "brianehni" <behni@> wrote:

http://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=1328

Brian Ehni
Brian: You ask if this is a new model and the answer is yes. Thus far
War Emergency boxcars have only been available from resin car makers
and this one is plastic. Intermountain has been doing a really good
job on their models recently. I look forward to getting these cars as
kits because of the variations for individual roads that are possible.
For example some roads had Viking roofs and there are roofwalk
variations to consider as well. If IM lives up to their recent
standards there should be etched roofwalks and laser-cut wood
roofwalks in the kit versions. They are very intriguing. They also
have a plywood panel side car that is I believe a Great Northern
prototype. I think that is another "war baby" too.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

Re: Is this a new model?

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianehni" <behni@...> wrote:

http://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=1328

Brian Ehni
Brian: You ask if this is a new model and the answer is yes. Thus far
War Emergency boxcars have only been available from resin car makers
and this one is plastic. Intermountain has been doing a really good
job on their models recently. I look forward to getting these cars as
kits because of the variations for individual roads that are possible.
For example some roads had Viking roofs and there are roofwalk
variations to consider as well. If IM lives up to their recent
standards there should be etched roofwalks and laser-cut wood
roofwalks in the kit versions. They are very intriguing. They also
have a plywood panel side car that is I believe a Great Northern
prototype. I think that is another "war baby" too.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

Re: Is this a new model?

seaboard_1966
 

Yes, brand new model by IM.

Denis Blake
North Hamlet Shops, OH

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Is this a new model?

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Re: ARCHER NEW RELEASES (February, 2009)

Tim O'Connor
 

Ah, I wish this guy Archer was an HO railroad modeler.
Think of all the 3-D builder plates we could get...

http://www.archertransfers.com/WEB%20pictures/AR35295.gif

Tim

Re: Westerfield ACF Photo CD Electronic Index

Dick
 

Hi Claus,

Great list.

Appreciate your efforts.

Dick
Clarence, NY

In a message dated 2/13/2009 7:53:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
claus@... writes:




Hi List Members,

A while back, I purchased one of Al Westerfield'A while back, I purchased

The good part of this CD is that it has hundreds of lovely ACF builders
photos.

The bad part of this CD is that there is no simple electronic way to search
the CD contents. Things like, say, find all the photos of PRR cars. Or find
all the photos of tank cars. Or find all the cars built in 1919.

In short, there is no electronic index of any sort, making it hard to find
what you are looking for other than by labor-intensive means.

To remedy this, I created such an index. It can be found at the url below.

_http://groups.http://grohttp://grouphttp://groups.<Whttp://groups.<Whttp://gr
oups_
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Westerfield%20ACF%20Photo%20CD%20Index/)

If the url does not work, go to groups.yahoo.If the url does not work, go
to groups.yahoo.<WBR>com, log in, go to the STMFC group, go to the files se

There you will find an excel spreadsheet listing the CD file name, road
name, car number, build date, and car type.

While I did the grunt work of doing the data entry, I make no ownership
claim of this thing - everyone is free to use this as they wish. For example, if
Al would like to distribute it with the CD, that is entirely fine with me.

As a rule, when doing the data entry, I took the builder's date from the car
lettering when available and legible, and if not, I used what was indicated
on the chalkboard found in some images.

I'm sure there are a million mistakes, they are all mine. In particular,
things like distinguishing reefers from insulated boxcars was not always
possible, so I guessed. Still, this is better than what we had before, even with all
the warts.

Enjoy - Claus Schlund





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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

This was on ebay, seemed like some members might enjoy seeing this image.

I have connection whatsoever with this sales item.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=330256325850

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Re: Boxcar construction details, C&EI 65000-65499

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

Was there not an article on modelling these cars in Mainline Modeler a
few years ago?

Steve Lucas.
Steve: That goes 'way back to the eighties, an article by Jeff English
I think it was. He kitbashed an Athearn car with some Cannonball
reefer ends into a MP car. There was an article on the prototypes in
that issue as well. I still read those old Mainline Modelers again and
again. There was some fantastic information and some really good
modelling in those magazines and it's now nearly thirty years since
that stuff first appeared!

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

Re: Boxcar construction details, C&EI 65000-65499

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Was there not an article on modelling these cars in Mainline Modeler a
few years ago?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction information about the Chicago &
Eastern Illinois 40ft boxcars in the series CEI 65000-65499. A
builder's photo of CEI 65095 is on the pay-side of the RPI website:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/displayimage.php?i=31827#

An in-service shot of CEI 65432 is at:

http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/C-CM/images/3C&EI,%2040'%20Single%
20Door%20Boxcar,%2065432.jpg

And a picture of CEI 65360 is on page 16 of Classic Freight Cars,
Volume 7.

My questions are:

1) These cars were built in at least two lots in 1951 and 1952. Which
car numbers were built which month and year? I have March 1951 for
65095, and April 1952 for 65360.

2) What sort of brakewheels were used? The shot of 65095 shows a
Champion brakewheel, while a shot of 65360 may show an Equipco
brakewheel.

3) What sort of running boards were utilized? I believe the photo of
65095 indicates a US Gypsum running board.

4) I think ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks were used on all cars in the
series. Is this correct?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Re: Drilling underframes

Charles Hladik
 

Andy and Bruce,
Thanks for the tips. This seems to be the way that I've been doing it
for years, was hoping that someone had better method.
Thanks again,
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division

In a message dated 2/12/2009 9:39:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
asperandeo@... writes:




Hello Chuck,

It's usually not too hard to drill HO center sills by chucking the bit at
the extreme end in a pin vise and turning it by hand. Use a scriber to prick a
good starting point. For drilling cross members I use an oversize bit and
drill the hole at an angle. Being a little oversize, the angled hole will allow
the desired size of wire to pass through at a right angle. If anyone wants to
criticize my oversized holes, my answer is that I didn't give you permission
to pick up my freight car!

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
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OFF TOPIC - PLANE CRASH

Dick
 

To The Group,

Last night just after 10 PM I was on the computer reading messages and
working on my NYC Freight Car research.

Then, my evening was turned up side down. Continental Flight 3407 from
Newark to Buffalo crashed just over a mile from my home. Over 13 volunteer fire
companies as well as State Police, Sheriffs and medical personnel (many of
whom I know personally) responded, but there was little anyone could do. All
aboard the plane perished. One person in the house on Long Street that was
hit was killed. His wife and daughter escaped and were transported to a local
hospital and will survive.

Our small community is in shock. We are heart broken over this tragedy.
One of the workers in our hardware store lost a relative. A local widow whose
husband died in the 9/11 tragedy was also on that plane. There are so many
more whose lives will be broken. Our hearts and blessings go out to all the
victims and their families and their friends.

I know we all spend a lot of time and effort in our hobbies and work and
activities. But I will suggest to all to take extra time every day with your
family and friends.

Dick Kashdin
Clarence, NY

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Re: Boxcar construction details, C&EI 65000-65499

Ed Hawkins
 

On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

1) These cars were built in at least two lots in 1951 and 1952. Which
car numbers were built which month and year? I have March 1951 for
65095, and April 1952 for 65360.

2) What sort of brakewheels were used? The shot of 65095 shows a
Champion brakewheel, while a shot of 65360 may show an Equipco
brakewheel.

3) What sort of running boards were utilized? I believe the photo of
65095 indicates a US Gypsum running board.

4) I think ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks were used on all cars in the
series. Is this correct?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden
Mark,
The cars were built in two groups, 65000-65299 in 1951 and 65300-65499
in 1952. The C&EI diagram provides the year of production, but not the
months. Builder was Eastern Illinois Equipment Company of Danville,
Illinois. The diagram references orders from International Steel, which
I can only presume furnished steel parts other than specialty items.

Roof: SREM diagonal panel riveted
Ends: Dreadnaught Corrugated Steel Ends (R+3/4 Improved)
Side sheathing: .10" welded (12 panels per side)
Doors: Youngstown with Camel fixtures (65000-65199 and 65300-65499);
Utility doors and fixtures (65200-65299)
Hand brakes: Champion-Peacock (65000-65299); Miner (65300-65499)
Running boards and brake steps: U.S. Gypsum expanded metal (all 500
cars)
Trucks: ASF A-3 Ride-Control (all 500 cars)
Wheels: One wear wrot steel (65000-65299); cast iron (65300-65499)
8-rung ladders

You didn't ask about these, but another series of cars 100 cars
(66200-66299) were built in 1952 with identical features as
65300-65499. One exception was that 66275-66299 had Nailable Steel
Flooring. Arnold Menke offers an excellent photo of C&EI 66222, new
5-52, photographed Winnipeg, Manitoba in August 1952.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Helium Cars

spsalso
 

Still another destination for these cars was a building on West Grand
Avenue in Oakland CA. I used to see these cars spotted there all the
time. There was at least one that was "permanently" there for He
storage. All gone, though. Sniff!!!

Edward Sutorik

Boxcar construction details, C&EI 65000-65499

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction information about the Chicago &
Eastern Illinois 40ft boxcars in the series CEI 65000-65499. A
builder's photo of CEI 65095 is on the pay-side of the RPI website:

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/displayimage.php?i=31827#

An in-service shot of CEI 65432 is at:

http://www.boxcars.us/Boxcars_A_M/C-CM/images/3C&EI,%2040'%20Single%
20Door%20Boxcar,%2065432.jpg

And a picture of CEI 65360 is on page 16 of Classic Freight Cars,
Volume 7.

My questions are:

1) These cars were built in at least two lots in 1951 and 1952. Which
car numbers were built which month and year? I have March 1951 for
65095, and April 1952 for 65360.

2) What sort of brakewheels were used? The shot of 65095 shows a
Champion brakewheel, while a shot of 65360 may show an Equipco
brakewheel.

3) What sort of running boards were utilized? I believe the photo of
65095 indicates a US Gypsum running board.

4) I think ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks were used on all cars in the
series. Is this correct?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

Re: Helium Cars

earlyrail
 

An other destination would be Navy Shipyards that built/pverhauled nuclear submarines.

Mare Island, Charleston,Portsmouth plus Electric Boat to name the ones I am familiar with

Howard Garner
(x-sub guy)

Re: Helium Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Rod Miller wrote:
Bruce, thanks for the info on the HO PRB car.

I have the O scale PRB car. The tanks on it are
separate pieces, and IMHO it is a nice model. Very
heavy BTW which I attribute to all those separate
tanks.

Bruce Smith wrote:

No offense to you or the person selling this car, but the Pecos
River car
is just AWFUL! A close look will show you that the tanks are a
single
stamping. Heck, the Ambroid car looks better! Amongst those few
of us
who really care and see a need for this car, it seems clear that
a new
resin car is really the right way to go with this...



















I've seen both the O and HO scale PRB models. Bruce is correct that
the HO scale version is awful, and Rob is correct that the O scale
model is vastly better. The fact that John Smith of PRB was/is an O
scale modeler may help to explain this disparity.


Richard Hendrickson

Re: Helium Cars

Rich Yoder
 

Well If you're interested I have a photo of one of the first types of
helium cars. Attached to this email.

Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Rod Miller
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:27 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Helium Cars

Bruce, thanks for the info on the HO PRB car.

I have the O scale PRB car. The tanks on it are
separate pieces, and IMHO it is a nice model. Very
heavy BTW which I attribute to all those separate
tanks.

Rod

Bruce Smith wrote:
On Thu, February 12, 2009 12:34 pm, Rod Miller wrote:
This car was imported in O and HO by Pecos River Brass
(now OOB). See

http://www.shopwiki.com/detail/d=HO_PRB_US_Navy_Helium_Car/

I have no connection with shopwiki...

Rod
Rod,

No offense to you or the person selling this car, but the Pecos River
car
is just AWFUL! A close look will show you that the tanks are a single
stamping. Heck, the Ambroid car looks better! Amongst those few of
us
who really care and see a need for this car, it seems clear that a new
resin car is really the right way to go with this...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Re: 70 ton Buckeye Barber Stabilized trucks

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Richard.
I posted a better photo on my web site of the blackened brass 70 ton
Buckeye Barber Stabilized 70 ton truck.

http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_trucks.htm


Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 70 ton Buckeye Barber Stabilized trucks

On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:18 PM, proto48er wrote:
What date were these trucks first introduced, and what freight cars
were they under at that time? (I suspect they were under some N&W
cars). An importer has them available in "O" scale.





Thee were several different versions of Barber Stabilized trucks, and
Buckeye probably made all of them under license, so without seeing
the trucks it's impossible to say.

Richard Hendrickson







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Re: PMcK&Y (was Fascinated by the Obscure)

lrkdbn
 

Did any of those P&LE rebuilds have the "Serves the Steel Centers"
billboard of the late 50s? (I doubt it but thought I'd ask...)
Larry King