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Re: Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper
On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bnpmodeler wrote:
Hi John and list;Jim, John, Bad news/good news. The drawings used for the troop sleeper articles were originally drawn for an article on the NYC express car conversion. So the bad news is that these drawings are incorrect for the troop sleeper and troop kitchen cars as built and should not have been published as such. The good news for John is that they are PRECISELY what he was looking for. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper
bnpmodeler
Hi John and list;
The December 2001 issue of Model Railroader has an article by Marty McGuirk entitled "Troop Sleepers" that includes a set of drawings by Harold Russell; there are two exceptional underbody views (two different step treatments = two different views) that ought to tell you all you need to know to detail your car. E-mail off-list if you would like me to send a photocopy. Jim Harr Stella Scale Models www.stellascalemodels.com --- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote: sleeper" express cars that I intend to finish one of these months, and was wondering if anyone has a brake rigging diagram you could forward or post? The model has rudimentary details and it'll be fun to finish it right. Thanks so much for the help!
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Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color
Errol Spangler <oscalerr@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Jim Sabol" <jimsabol@...> wrote:
trucks with scale two-rail wheelsets? Well, that is still being negotiated. But wether Lionel produces a 2- rail car or we at OSW make the modification you will be getting a 2- rail car. As an aside, there is also the issue of the springs used by Lionel in the buffers. As they come from China the springs used provide no 'spring' at all. We are working on getting that changed as well. It should be a great car, providing we get the color right....
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Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color
Jim Sabol
Errol, are you saying that you're getting Lionel to make a car on trucks with scale two-rail wheelsets? Wonderful, if true. They've had several scale cars for a couple of years now, but only with those out of scale trucks and couplers, requiring some conversion work. Nisqually Jim here.
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Re: Single-sheathed box cars
Ray Breyer wrote
Why is the uf wrong? My shot of IC 16719 shows a fishbelly.Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the And yes, the proto ends are 3/5 while the model is 4/4 but... perhaps Dennis followed an atypical prototype car? I mean why would he deliberately make it incorrectly? I'd love to see a photo of that IC 50' car.Again, unless you need IC cars.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. Tim O'Connor
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Re: Single-sheathed box cars
Ray Breyer
Hi Tim,
Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars. Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!) it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine version of the same car.Tim O'Connor wrote: Again, unless you need IC cars. Then the Walthers model, with minimal kitbashing, becomes the only accurate IC 50' SS boxcar ever produced.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville. Just a couple of tips, Ray Breyer
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Re: Single-sheathed box cars
Ray Breyer
Hi Tim,
Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars. Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!) it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine version of the same car.Tim O'Connor wrote: Again, unless you need IC cars. Then the Walthers model, with minimal kitbashing, becomes the only accurate IC 50' SS boxcar ever produced.Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville. Just a couple of tips, Ray Breyer
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Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Pierce" <marcoperforar@...> wrote:
I wonder who saves bottles of a wine that was shipped in railroad tank cars? Was CM yesterday's equivalent of ripple? Thunderbird? Was CM sold in smaller bottles that rummies call "sneaky petes"? Seeing that a bottle of such fine spirits was sold on e-may maybe someone will buy Train Miniature fantasy cars. Ed
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Re: Northern Pacific War Emergency boxcar
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> wrote:
the other differences if any? 6 inches higher than most. I think the NP car may have had the more common howe trusses (diagonals for a capital A at the door). Most WWII energency box cars had pratt trusses - diagonals form V at the door). Ed
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Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color
Mark Pierce <marcoperforar@...>
This site has some color photos of CM wine cars. There appears to
have been a variety of schemes. http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html I like the photo of the gentleman siphoning wine from a tank car with a hose. Looks like he'll be serving it momentarily to his companions. Mark Pierce --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote: wine painted?cars. Anyone have a clue to just what color the cars were greatWe at O Scale West are working with Lionel to provide their Owine car in 2-rail scale for the combined O Scale West - National isScale convention next June.Have you looked at some of the published color photos? There one in the book on billboard reefers we recently published. I'dcall the color a variety of magenta.
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Re: Single-sheathed box cars
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
John Golden wrote:
Hey Gene,apparently having failed to notice what Gene actually said: Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CAPutting aside the highly detail resin kits from Westerfield, F&C, Sunshine, et. al. what 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Single-sheathed box cars
Marty McGuirk
--- In STMFC@..., Mark Morgan <bnonut@...> wrote:
Well, I do remember what other file folders were in the cabinet at Intermountain - essentially my "collection of possible candidates." It's been interesting to see some come to fruition. . . . so hope, as they say, springs eternal. Marty McGuirk
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Re: Kadee minimum body box widths
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Gene Green wrote:
All, Well, as usual, Gene, the answer is: It depends, as becomes increasingly apparent as this discussion progresses. Tight radius curves can work very well, as anyone knows who has seen Jack Burgess YV layout in operation (though don't forget Jack's caveat about transition spirals, which make a world of difference for both operating reliability and appearance). That's assuming you're modeling a small railroad like the YV with 2-6-0s and no long passenger cars, or maybe a branch line that was operationally similar. Horseshoe curve, on the other hand - I don't think so. Some of us model main line railroads with big steam power and scale length passenger equipment, and then appearance become an issue, as well as operation. Even if you can get 2-10-4s and 80' Pullmans to run reliably on tight radius curves, they look dreadfully unrealistic. In anyone's opinion at what radius do broad curves become overkill? The broader the better, if you have a big midwestern basement like Bill Darnaby or Dan Holbrook, or a huge space in a museum building like the La Mesa club's Tehachapi Pass layout. The latter is an extreme example of what can be done when you have a lot of space. The visible curves are certainly tighter than on the prototype (including the Tehachapi loop), but they're broad enough that the visual effect is very convincing. But few of us have anything remotely approaching that kind of space to work with, so we have to arrive at the best compromise we can.
Reminds me of a variation on an old joke: run for the round barn, Gene, they'll never corner you there. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Single-sheathed box cars
golden1014
Hey Gene,
Don't forget Al Westerfield, big guy. Lot's of offerings there. John John Golden Bloomington, IN --- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote: the Intermountain war-emergency box car is coming. Putting aside thewhat else is there? I can't think of anything.from a number of manufacturers - Varney, Ulrich, Roundhouse - but thosecars don't live up to today's expections in either level of detail ormy box car mix has too few single-sheathed cars. This is just amolded box car models?
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Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper
golden1014
Gentlemen,
I've got one of those Walthers HO scale NYC "converted troop sleeper" express cars that I intend to finish one of these months, and was wondering if anyone has a brake rigging diagram you could forward or post? The model has rudimentary details and it'll be fun to finish it right. Thanks so much for the help! John John Golden Bloomington, IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sunshine NYC Exp Reefers
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
List,
Sunshine's new kit is for the NYC outside frame cars, correct? These should be numbers 5800--6014. The milk car had sliding plug door, and the express version had 4' folding doors according to my resources. Now the question >> were some of these cars sold and leased to REA at one time?? If so, this would explain their presence in trains on the PRR in Ohio in he mid 50's. Which type door used ?? Fred Freitas
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Re: Kadee minimum body box widths
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Gene,
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I body mount couplers to my Pullmans and I'm working at a 40" radius. I hate chasing cars at inconvenient places. Also, operation is much smoother than when i used 36". Not fo reveryone, I agree, yet it does work exremely well. Fred Freitas posed from the igloo in Bennington, VT
--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Gene Green <bierglaeser@...> wrote:
From: Gene Green <bierglaeser@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kadee minimum body box widths To: STMFC@... Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:36 PM --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@.. .> wrote: Tony, You are right, of course. I was motivated solely by curiosity. Gene Green [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Screen Material Now Available, Direct From AMB
rgspemkt@...
Hi Fellow Rivet Counters,
Last December, there was discussion on this list about available window screen material. Back around message 77676, Bob Chapman worte: << Does anyone have a favorite product to recommend for HO scale window?screens as found on cabooses, camp cars, etc.? What I'm looking for is a fine mesh, but not so fine as to totally? hide the window behind it.? Thanks! Bob Chapman << << Andy Sperandeo was kind enough, along with several others, to mention the screen material we use for our ATSF Way Car window screens, and a couple of our structures, in post number 77728, as follows: << << Hi Bob, This is a subject of great interest to me, as all Santa Fe way cars (cabooses) have window screens, and often screen doors too. The product I really like is a fine mesh (nylon or some other synthetic) sold by American Models Builders in its Laserkit line. Kit no. 341 includes sash and door frames to fit the Athearn Santa Fe caboose. Laserkit has other screen window and door kits using the same material, but I don't know if it sells the mesh separately. Sunshine Models has included the same or a similar material in some of its kits, so it must be available somewhere else. So long, Andy << << We have received enough requests, asking that we make the material available, that we have done just that. It is our new Kit/Part #225 - Screen Material. You get a 4" X 6" piece (24 sq. inches) for $6.95 Anyone wishing to order may email: laserkit@... Additionally, Andy mentions the article he wrote for MR on how to "color" and weather the screen material in message 77800: << << Re: [STMFC] Re: Carbody Window Screens After seeing Jerry's nice MP compact-body caboose, I posted a photo of one of my Santa Fe way cars with the Laserkit screens. It's in the Files section of the STMFC site on Yahoo, in a folder called "Andy S freight cars." In this case I colored the mesh with a black marking pen, but I've also used a brown marker for more of a copper color. For another approach to window screens, see my article on detailing ATSF way cars in the September '91 MR. I now prefer the Laserkit screens, but I haven't replaced those old ones. <<snip>> Andy << << Thanks to everyone who emailed us about it. John Hitzeman AMB, Inc.
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Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Errol Spangler wrote:
I see there has been some discussion here in the past on the CM wine cars. Anyone have a clue to just what color the cars were painted? We at O Scale West are working with Lionel to provide their great wine car in 2-rail scale for the combined O Scale West - National O Scale convention next June.Have you looked at some of the published color photos? There is one in the book on billboard reefers we recently published. I'd call the color a variety of magenta. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Kadee minimum body box widths
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Gene Green wrote:
Out of curiosity only, how many would agree that a 24" radius is OK?This is kind of a meaningless discussion, since what is "OK" obviously depends on many, many factors. But in my layout I have kept all VISIBLE curves above 30" radius, with some concealed and staging curvature down to 27" Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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