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Re: Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper

bnpmodeler
 

Hi Bruce;

Thank you for the clarification; I had no idea and should have known
better... It's nice to know the drawings are correct for SOMEthing,
and all the better that that something is what John is looking for!
Also good for me when I get around to modeling DL & W/EL m-o-w
equipment with these models. Thank you again;

Jim Harr
Stella Scale Models
www.stellascalemodels.com

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bnpmodeler wrote:

Hi John and list;

The December 2001 issue of Model Railroader has an article by
Marty
McGuirk entitled "Troop Sleepers" that includes a set of drawings
by
Harold Russell; there are two exceptional underbody views (two
different step treatments = two different views) that ought to
tell
you all you need to know to detail your car. E-mail off-list if
you
would like me to send a photocopy.

Jim Harr
Jim, John,

Bad news/good news. The drawings used for the troop sleeper
articles
were originally drawn for an article on the NYC express car
conversion. So the bad news is that these drawings are incorrect
for
the troop sleeper and troop kitchen cars as built and should not
have
been published as such. The good news for John is that they are
PRECISELY what he was looking for.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

ya know what they say: If you have to ask...

Or you could pay me wads of money to custom build resin
single sheathed box cars for you. :-)
Please define "wad." (VBG)
Gene Green


Re: Kadee minimum body box widths

krlpeters
 

Currently, the bulk of the running fleet is 24' iron ore cars. The rest is mostly 40', with a few 50'. With small steam {MA&PA sized} I have not have any magor problems running, as long as I pay attention when building trackwork. I do have a 65' mill gondola, but I did have to install long shank couplers, and must use a 40' car between that and any ore cars, and I expect to have the same problem once I start running my RS-3's and RSD-4/5's.
 
Coupling has been a problem as expected on the two curved sidings, but both are close to the outside, for that reason.
 
As I stated before, I am using small radius curves in order to have a running layout. If I had a choice, I would prefer much larger curves, with eseasements as well, in the 24 to 30" range.
 
Someday........
 
Karl Peters

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Re: Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper

Bruce Smith
 

On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bnpmodeler wrote:

Hi John and list;

The December 2001 issue of Model Railroader has an article by Marty
McGuirk entitled "Troop Sleepers" that includes a set of drawings by
Harold Russell; there are two exceptional underbody views (two
different step treatments = two different views) that ought to tell
you all you need to know to detail your car. E-mail off-list if you
would like me to send a photocopy.

Jim Harr
Jim, John,

Bad news/good news. The drawings used for the troop sleeper articles were originally drawn for an article on the NYC express car conversion. So the bad news is that these drawings are incorrect for the troop sleeper and troop kitchen cars as built and should not have been published as such. The good news for John is that they are PRECISELY what he was looking for.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper

bnpmodeler
 

Hi John and list;

The December 2001 issue of Model Railroader has an article by Marty
McGuirk entitled "Troop Sleepers" that includes a set of drawings by
Harold Russell; there are two exceptional underbody views (two
different step treatments = two different views) that ought to tell
you all you need to know to detail your car. E-mail off-list if you
would like me to send a photocopy.

Jim Harr
Stella Scale Models
www.stellascalemodels.com



--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,
 
I've got one of those Walthers HO scale NYC "converted troop
sleeper" express cars that I intend to finish one of these months,
and was wondering if anyone has a brake rigging diagram you could
forward or post?  The model has rudimentary details and it'll be fun
to finish it right.  Thanks so much for the help!
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN



Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color

Errol Spangler <oscalerr@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jim Sabol" <jimsabol@...> wrote:

Errol, are you saying that you're getting Lionel to make a car on
trucks with scale two-rail wheelsets?

Well, that is still being negotiated. But wether Lionel produces a 2-
rail car or we at OSW make the modification you will be getting a 2-
rail car. As an aside, there is also the issue of the springs used by
Lionel in the buffers. As they come from China the springs used
provide no 'spring' at all. We are working on getting that changed as
well. It should be a great car, providing we get the color right....


Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color

Jim Sabol
 

Errol, are you saying that you're getting Lionel to make a car on trucks with scale two-rail wheelsets? Wonderful, if true. They've had several scale cars for a couple of years now, but only with those out of scale trucks and couplers, requiring some conversion work. Nisqually Jim here.


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ray Breyer wrote

Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the
fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars.
Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!)
it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine
version of the same car.
Why is the uf wrong? My shot of IC 16719 shows a fishbelly.
And yes, the proto ends are 3/5 while the model is 4/4 but...
perhaps Dennis followed an atypical prototype car? I mean why
would he deliberately make it incorrectly?

Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car.
Again, unless you need IC cars.
I'd love to see a photo of that IC 50' car.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Tim,

Tim O'Connor wrote:
And don't forget Accurail's wonderful Illinois Central
single sheathed box car. I picked up a decorated model
from 5th Avenue Car Shops that is 100% accurate.
Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars. Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!) it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine version of the same car.


Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville.
Again, unless you need IC cars. Then the Walthers model, with minimal kitbashing, becomes the only accurate IC 50' SS boxcar ever produced.
 
Just a couple of tips,
Ray Breyer


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Tim,

Tim O'Connor wrote:
And don't forget Accurail's wonderful Illinois Central
single sheathed box car. I picked up a decorated model
from 5th Avenue Car Shops that is 100% accurate.
Make that about 70% accurate Tim. The ends are wrong and the fishbelly underframe is essentially 100% wrong for the IC cars. Still, if you need more than one for your IC roster (like I do!) it's a whole lot more affordable and quick than the Sunshine version of the same car.


Avoid the Walthers 50 foot SS box car. One way ticket to Foobie-ville.
Again, unless you need IC cars. Then the Walthers model, with minimal kitbashing, becomes the only accurate IC 50' SS boxcar ever produced.
 
Just a couple of tips,
Ray Breyer


Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Pierce" <marcoperforar@...> wrote:

This site has some color photos of CM wine cars. There appears to
have been a variety of schemes.
http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html
I like the photo of the gentleman siphoning wine from a tank car with
a hose. Looks like he'll be serving it momentarily to his companions.


I wonder who saves bottles of a wine that was shipped in railroad tank
cars?

Was CM yesterday's equivalent of ripple? Thunderbird?

Was CM sold in smaller bottles that rummies call "sneaky petes"?

Seeing that a bottle of such fine spirits was sold on e-may maybe
someone will buy Train Miniature fantasy cars.

Ed


Re: Northern Pacific War Emergency boxcar

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> wrote:

It was mentioned that NP's car was different from the others but no
mention of what the difference was. I gather the underframe was one
difference because it was noted Sunshine got that wrong. What were
the
other differences if any?

6 inches higher than most. I think the NP car may have had the more
common howe trusses (diagonals for a capital A at the door). Most WWII
energency box cars had pratt trusses - diagonals form V at the door).

Ed


Re: Chateau Martin Wine Car Color

Mark Pierce <marcoperforar@...>
 

This site has some color photos of CM wine cars. There appears to
have been a variety of schemes.
http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html
I like the photo of the gentleman siphoning wine from a tank car with
a hose. Looks like he'll be serving it momentarily to his companions.

Mark Pierce

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Errol Spangler wrote:
I see there has been some discussion here in the past on the CM
wine
cars. Anyone have a clue to just what color the cars were
painted?
We at O Scale West are working with Lionel to provide their
great
wine car in 2-rail scale for the combined O Scale West - National
O
Scale convention next June.
Have you looked at some of the published color photos? There
is
one in the book on billboard reefers we recently published. I'd
call
the color a variety of magenta.

Tony Thompson >


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Golden wrote:
Hey Gene,
Don't forget Al Westerfield, big guy. Lot's of offerings there.
apparently having failed to notice what Gene actually said:

Putting aside the highly detail resin kits from Westerfield, F&C, Sunshine, et. al. what
else is there?
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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

Marty McGuirk
 

--- In STMFC@..., Mark Morgan <bnonut@...> wrote:

Excellent points, Gene.
 
Lets hope something new comes out of this.
 
Sincerely, Mark Morgan
 
Well, I do remember what other file folders were in the cabinet at
Intermountain - essentially my "collection of possible candidates."
It's been interesting to see some come to fruition. . . . so hope, as
they say, springs eternal.

Marty McGuirk


Re: Kadee minimum body box widths

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Gene Green wrote:
All,
Out of curiosity only, how many would agree that a 24" radius is OK?

How many don't agree and would have to insist on a broader radius?






Well, as usual, Gene, the answer is: It depends, as becomes
increasingly apparent as this discussion progresses. Tight radius
curves can work very well, as anyone knows who has seen Jack Burgess
YV layout in operation (though don't forget Jack's caveat about
transition spirals, which make a world of difference for both
operating reliability and appearance). That's assuming you're
modeling a small railroad like the YV with 2-6-0s and no long
passenger cars, or maybe a branch line that was operationally
similar. Horseshoe curve, on the other hand - I don't think so.
Some of us model main line railroads with big steam power and scale
length passenger equipment, and then appearance become an issue, as
well as operation. Even if you can get 2-10-4s and 80' Pullmans to
run reliably on tight radius curves, they look dreadfully unrealistic.
In anyone's opinion at what radius do broad curves become overkill?
36"? 48"? 60"?




The broader the better, if you have a big midwestern basement like
Bill Darnaby or Dan Holbrook, or a huge space in a museum building
like the La Mesa club's Tehachapi Pass layout. The latter is an
extreme example of what can be done when you have a lot of space.
The visible curves are certainly tighter than on the prototype
(including the Tehachapi loop), but they're broad enough that the
visual effect is very convincing. But few of us have anything
remotely approaching that kind of space to work with, so we have to
arrive at the best compromise we can.

My dream has always been to build a layout in a round barn. The
radius around the perimeter would be broad enough that it could be
regarded as straight.





Reminds me of a variation on an old joke: run for the round barn,
Gene, they'll never corner you there.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Single-sheathed box cars

golden1014
 

Hey Gene,

Don't forget Al Westerfield, big guy. Lot's of offerings there.

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

We have the Tichy versions of the USRA single-sheathed box cars and
the
Intermountain war-emergency box car is coming. Putting aside the
highly detail resin kits from Westerfield, F&C, Sunshine, et. al.
what
else is there? I can't think of anything.

I know that in the past there have been single-sheathed box cars
from a
number of manufacturers - Varney, Ulrich, Roundhouse - but those
cars
don't live up to today's expections in either level of detail or
fidelity to prototype.

As my freight car fleet develops I have the general impression that
my
box car mix has too few single-sheathed cars. This is just a
subjective impression unrelated to any numbers, percentages or the
Landmesser hot box list.

Will the wonderful RP CYC #18 result in any plastic, injection-
molded
box car models?

Gene Green


Brake Diagram for WW2 Pullman Troop Sleeper

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I've got one of those Walthers HO scale NYC "converted troop sleeper" express cars that I intend to finish one of these months, and was wondering if anyone has a brake rigging diagram you could forward or post?  The model has rudimentary details and it'll be fun to finish it right.  Thanks so much for the help!
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Sunshine NYC Exp Reefers

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

List,
 
        Sunshine's new kit is for the NYC outside frame cars, correct? These should be numbers 5800--6014. The milk car had sliding plug door, and the express version had 4' folding doors according to my resources. Now the question >> were some of these cars sold and leased to REA at one time??  If so, this would explain their presence in trains on the PRR in Ohio in he mid 50's. Which type door used ??
 
Fred Freitas


Re: Kadee minimum body box widths

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Gene,
 
          I body mount couplers to my Pullmans and I'm working at a 40" radius. I hate chasing cars at inconvenient places. Also, operation is much smoother than when i used 36". Not fo reveryone, I agree, yet it does work exremely well.
 
Fred Freitas
posed from the igloo in Bennington, VT

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Gene Green <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

From: Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kadee minimum body box widths
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:36 PM






--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@.. .> wrote:

Gene Green wrote:
Out of curiosity only, how many would agree that a 24" radius is OK?
How many don't agree and would have to insist on a broader radius?
This is kind of a meaningless discussion, since what is "OK"
obviously depends on many, many factors.
Tony,
You are right, of course. I was motivated solely by curiosity.

Gene Green
















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