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Re: weapons

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I foolishly put shag carpet in my model RR room. There was no point in looking for dropped parts.
They disappeared.
Occasionally I would put the toe of a pantyhose in the vacuum's hose, vacuum the area, dump it all
on a piece of white
paper and sort out the parts.

The carpet has been replaced with a very light gray tile.

Gene Green
I have a short pile area carpet on an oak floor. Brass wire is the color of oak. But generally, I
can find things within maybe five minutes or so. I have a LED keyfob light, which I can hold very
flat to the floor, so things make shadows, or I can get hold of the edge of the carpet and flip it
upwards so things "jump" and fall back. But it did take me way too long to move the wastebasket far
away from the desk . . .

The most annoying though, is when the part lands on my jeans, I don't notice that, and then stand
up. This widens the search area significantly. I have found very small parts on the kitchen floor,
next floor down, a couple days later.

SGL


War emergency gondolas

John Riba
 

Hello Everyone,

Attached is a 40',40 ft., forty foot, 40 foot New York Central war emergency composite gondola, actually 40' 2" IL (inside length). This was
built in 1942, during WW2 not during the First WW (WW1). It is unlike the
SP, PRR, Wabash war emergency gondolas. It is not a 50' war emergency car.
The ends do not stick up from the sides. It was not meant to carry sulfur
or sugar beets (yes I know maybe it made it to surgar beet coutry). What other railroads had cars of this type?

John Riba


Re: LIFE Magazine Photo Archive - URL trick

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Elden's Gon:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=&imgurl=0d6737eab926ef65
<http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=&imgurl=0d6737eab926ef65>

The Gon's photo id is 0d6737eab926ef65
Definitely can understand Elden's urge here. But look at the GB&W car on the next track. The logo
is peeling off, apparently a sticker in lieu of actually being painted on . . .

SGL


Re: LIFE Magazine Photo Archive

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Responding to a message more than 24 hours later almost guarantees that someone else has responded
before, but CJ Riley asked, with respect to polished freight car wheel rims:

I thought of [self-guiding frogs], but how common were they back then?
When the ERIE got the Russian Decapods, they were not regauged from 5'-0" Russian gauge, rather they
were fitted with wide driver tires. It's only 1/75" on each side to make up the difference. This
all went pretty well until one of the Russian Decs encountered a yard full of self-guarded frogs.
It was apparently a very noisy, and bumpy, experience.

So self-guarded frogs are at least from the late teens.

SGL


Books for Sale

Bob Anderson <RAnderson14@...>
 

Hello,

We are downsizing and I have some books that I no longer
have a need for.



The Nickel Plate Story

Rio Grande to the Pacific

Pennsy Power

Bessemer and Lake Erie

Trains in transition - Lucius Beebe 1941

Highball a Pageant of Trains Lucius Beebe 1945

Asking 25 for each or best offer



Thanks

Bob Anderson

Shelby Ohio


Items for sale

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

I have a variety of HO scale steam era freight cars, as well as more modern
era items, listed on eBay that end over the next few days....

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Also listed is a Sheepscot Scale Products HO scale 24' Round Nose Van
Trailer (set of two) listed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260373128059


Selections can be viewed either as a Gallery or List, whichever you prefer.

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@pacbell.net


Re: ERDX Reefers

armprem
 

Roger,Thanks again.Not sure if BCW carries that RCS kit.I"ll. give John a call.Thanks.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hinman" <rhinman@rcn.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERDX Reefers


Actually not; the first post war steel ERDX cars didn't go into
service until 1950(and then there were three varieties) So what you
want are the pre WW1 forty one foot wood cars; these were probably in
pretty tough shape by war's end.

For a model, you could find the old Rutland Car Shops kit and change
the door and roof. Other approach is to take an Accurail car and
change the underframe and roof, add the angle on the bottom of the end
and live with the fact it's maybe a foot too short.

There's a wonderful Jack Delano color shot of ERDX 9119 in one of the
South Water Street shots in the LOC collection (with a bit of
enlargement)


Roger Hinman


On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:29 PM, A. Premo wrote:

Thank you Roger.Actually both.My cut-off date is 1948.I suspect both
were
around then.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hinman" <rhinman@rcn.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERDX Reefers

Which one are you interested in modeling? Pre or post WW2???

Roger Hinman
On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:45 PM, A. Premo wrote:

I am looking for an accurate kit/car that most closely represents
an
ERDX/MDT reefer.Any suggestions will be appreciated.Armand Premo







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Re: ERDX Reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Actually not; the first post war steel ERDX cars didn't go into
service until 1950(and then there were three varieties) So what you
want are the pre WW1 forty one foot wood cars; these were probably in
pretty tough shape by war's end.

For a model, you could find the old Rutland Car Shops kit and change
the door and roof. Other approach is to take an Accurail car and
change the underframe and roof, add the angle on the bottom of the end
and live with the fact it's maybe a foot too short.

There's a wonderful Jack Delano color shot of ERDX 9119 in one of the
South Water Street shots in the LOC collection (with a bit of
enlargement)


Roger Hinman

On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:29 PM, A. Premo wrote:

Thank you Roger.Actually both.My cut-off date is 1948.I suspect both
were
around then.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hinman" <rhinman@rcn.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERDX Reefers

Which one are you interested in modeling? Pre or post WW2???

Roger Hinman
On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:45 PM, A. Premo wrote:

I am looking for an accurate kit/car that most closely represents
an
ERDX/MDT reefer.Any suggestions will be appreciated.Armand Premo








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Re: ERDX Reefers

armprem
 

Thank you Roger.Actually both.My cut-off date is 1948.I suspect both were around then.Armand Premo

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From: "Roger Hinman" <rhinman@rcn.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ERDX Reefers


Which one are you interested in modeling? Pre or post WW2???

Roger Hinman
On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:45 PM, A. Premo wrote:

I am looking for an accurate kit/car that most closely represents an
ERDX/MDT reefer.Any suggestions will be appreciated.Armand Premo







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Re: ERDX Reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Which one are you interested in modeling? Pre or post WW2???

Roger Hinman

On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:45 PM, A. Premo wrote:

I am looking for an accurate kit/car that most closely represents an
ERDX/MDT reefer.Any suggestions will be appreciated.Armand Premo



Re: Resin kits

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...> wrote:
I did 20 Sunshine kits last month! 1/2 were for a friend!1 Keep up the good work! Dennis
Gads Dennis, you're crazier than me! But, I'm done...until I melt to something new.

I used to go to a meet, buy a couple kits and put them together, but when the layout started I got waayy behind. Not anymore.
Clark Propst


ERDX Reefers

armprem
 

I am looking for an accurate kit/car that most closely represents an ERDX/MDT reefer.Any suggestions will be appreciated.Armand Premo


Re: Resin kits

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Dang! With everything else in my life I am lucky to finish one every two
months! I buy quicker than I build.
Brian Carlson

On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:26:34 -0800 (PST), Dennis Williams wrote

Great job, Clark. I did 20 Sunshine kits last month! 1/2 were for a
friend!1 Keep up the good work! Dennis


Re: War emergency gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
The weird thing is that during the war the SP bought many GS gondolas but they were
all-steel cars, and after the war bought many more composite GS gondolas. Go figure.
SP explicitly had in mind the shipping of sugar beets, which prior to the arrival of the composite gons had been moved in Blackburn beet racks, removable contraptions mounted on flat cars. It is not a "throwback" to more primitive design, but a choice for a usage which was not hard on cars. Later the same gons were used for wood chips. Remember that far into the 1960s SP was using composite (plywood sides) wood chip cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: War emergency gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

That may be true, but T&NO moved a lot of gravel, sand,
wood chips, and agricultural waste products (I forget the
name but it's the stuff left over after the sugar cane
harvest)... and maybe sugar beets too I don't know. The
T&NO had specialized cars for sulfur, the G-70-1 class.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/6/2009 04:16 PM Friday, you wrote:
I think one of the reasons the T&NO purchased wood sided gons this late is that they were often used to ship sulfur, which has a habit of destorying steel sided cars. The T&NO had steel sided cars built much earlier than that which were used to ship gravel.
Cyril Durrenberger


Re: War emergency gondolas

Cyril Durrenberger
 

I think one of the reasons the T&NO purchased wood sided gons this late is that they were often used to ship sulfur, which has a habit of destorying steel sided cars.  The T&NO had steel sided cars built much earlier than that which were used to ship gravel.
 
Cyril Durrenberger

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] War emergency gondolas
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 12:39 PM







Well, let's start by clearing up some confusion. First, these are
not the cars Charlie Vlk had in mind when he posted a response;
Charlie was thinking of the 52'6" "War Emergency" composite mill
gondolas. Second, John, I'm not sure where you got the idea that the
NYC cars were essentially different from the others built to the WE
40' AAR class GB design. The main difference was that the NYC cars
had the ends slightly higher than the top of the sides; otherwise
they followed the same AAR WE design as the cars built for the
Atlantic Coast Line and Wabash. The SP/T&NO cars weren't, strictly
speaking, "War Emergency" cars because they were built after the war
ended; the SP bought them not to conserve steel but because they were
among the last North American railroads to favor composite
construction. All of the cars cited above had Pratt truss pressed
steel hat-section side framing. Also, the PRR didn't own cars of
this design; their WE composite gondolas were of two types, the 52'6"
AAR mill gon design and their own composite version of their G29
class, the G29B, which were 45' cars with straight side sills.
Richard Hendrickson
Technically, there were two War Emergency 40' (nominal length)
gondolas -- a solid bottom and a drop bottom General Service
version. The GS version is documented as a 1942 "AAR Emergency"
design in the Car Builder's Cyclopedia. The weird thing is that
during the war the SP bought many GS gondolas but they were
all-steel cars, and after the war bought many more composite
GS gondolas. Go figure.

The "solid bottom" cars are represented by ACL/SOU/WAB/ T&NO/GM&O
cars and Funaro & Camerlengo has a kit for them. I put "solid"
in quotes because I think some of them (Southern?) had 4 doors
in the floor. (Whereas a GS gondola has 16 doors.)

Tim O'Connor
















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Re: War emergency gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

Well, let's start by clearing up some confusion. First, these are
not the cars Charlie Vlk had in mind when he posted a response;
Charlie was thinking of the 52'6" "War Emergency" composite mill
gondolas. Second, John, I'm not sure where you got the idea that the
NYC cars were essentially different from the others built to the WE
40' AAR class GB design. The main difference was that the NYC cars
had the ends slightly higher than the top of the sides; otherwise
they followed the same AAR WE design as the cars built for the
Atlantic Coast Line and Wabash. The SP/T&NO cars weren't, strictly
speaking, "War Emergency" cars because they were built after the war
ended; the SP bought them not to conserve steel but because they were
among the last North American railroads to favor composite
construction. All of the cars cited above had Pratt truss pressed
steel hat-section side framing. Also, the PRR didn't own cars of
this design; their WE composite gondolas were of two types, the 52'6"
AAR mill gon design and their own composite version of their G29
class, the G29B, which were 45' cars with straight side sills.
Richard Hendrickson

Technically, there were two War Emergency 40' (nominal length)
gondolas -- a solid bottom and a drop bottom General Service
version. The GS version is documented as a 1942 "AAR Emergency"
design in the Car Builder's Cyclopedia. The weird thing is that
during the war the SP bought many GS gondolas but they were
all-steel cars, and after the war bought many more composite
GS gondolas. Go figure.

The "solid bottom" cars are represented by ACL/SOU/WAB/T&NO/GM&O
cars and Funaro & Camerlengo has a kit for them. I put "solid"
in quotes because I think some of them (Southern?) had 4 doors
in the floor. (Whereas a GS gondola has 16 doors.)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Resin kits

Dennis Williams
 

Great job, Clark. I did 20 Sunshine kits last month! 1/2 were for a friend!1 Keep up the good work! Dennis

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net> wrote:

From: Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Resin kits
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 12:20 PM


















I assigned the month of February as resin
kit building month. I know it's March, but I was near
the end of the pile so I over shot a bit.

I've built:

1-SC&F tank car

1-F&C gondola

3-F&C box cars

3-Sunshine box cars

2-Sunshine reefers

1-Sunshine flat car

1-Westerfield box car

1-Westerfield reefer

1-Westerfield stock car

3-Speedwitch box cars

And an old CCS B&O wagon top box.



Observations:

Westerfield is the most consistent builder, all his kits
are straight forward, fairly easy to build.

F&C cars go together the quickest because they're
pretty crude. Decals rack last.

Speedwitch has the best instructions. Plenty of close up
photos. AND the SOO Line saw tooth box car I built was a
real joy. Ted and Dennis should be commented. That kit even
had a photo of the parts sheet with a directory of the parts
"Magnificent" !!!!!

Sunshine kits are straight forward also, but rack last with
instructions. Why, I really get pissed when I lay out $30+
for a model with a generic instruction sheet that has
paragraphs srcttered throughout with notes for specific cars
and the one you bought isn't one of the them! It's
special instructions are a couple paragraphs on a separate
sheet!



Had a great time building all my resin kits. March is
engine tuning and operation honing on the layout.

Clark Propst

Mason City Iowa



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Resin kits

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I assigned the month of February as resin kit building month. I know it's March, but I was near the end of the pile so I over shot a bit.
I've built:
1-SC&F tank car
1-F&C gondola
3-F&C box cars
3-Sunshine box cars
2-Sunshine reefers
1-Sunshine flat car
1-Westerfield box car
1-Westerfield reefer
1-Westerfield stock car
3-Speedwitch box cars
And an old CCS B&O wagon top box.

Observations:
Westerfield is the most consistent builder, all his kits are straight forward, fairly easy to build.
F&C cars go together the quickest because they're pretty crude. Decals rack last.
Speedwitch has the best instructions. Plenty of close up photos. AND the SOO Line saw tooth box car I built was a real joy. Ted and Dennis should be commented. That kit even had a photo of the parts sheet with a directory of the parts "Magnificent"!!!!!
Sunshine kits are straight forward also, but rack last with instructions. Why, I really get pissed when I lay out $30+ for a model with a generic instruction sheet that has paragraphs srcttered throughout with notes for specific cars and the one you bought isn't one of the them! It's special instructions are a couple paragraphs on a separate sheet!

Had a great time building all my resin kits. March is engine tuning and operation honing on the layout.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: LIFE Magazine Photo Archive, wheel weathering

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, madchemep2@... wrote:

Hello: What's the possibility that the wheels were polished by spring
switches? I don't know how common spring switches during the time the pix were
taken. Just a shot. Al Campbell
Spring switches points only contact the flange. I've seen shiny wheel rims on hump engines when they run down through the retarders to retrieve a mis-routed car. The retarders contact the face of the wheel rim even when they are not applied.

Dennis

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