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Re: Vesuvius box car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

List;



Does anyone on the list know anything about the box cars owned by Vesuvius
Crucible, of Swissvale, PA? The photo shown in Classic Freight Cars is
interesting, but confuses me as far as the car's heritage goes. Were they
second-hand cars? When did they first come out in Vesuvius paint? What are
the key features of the car(s)?



Thanks!



Elden Gatwood



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Re: PRR F22/F23

pgrace
 

Hi Rich,

HO

Patrick

Richard Yoder wrote:

Hi Patrick.
I have the drawings for the car as it is a current "O" scale brass model
project.
What scale are you building in?

Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
www.richyodermodels.com

est 1999

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Subject: [STMFC] PRR F22/F23

Guys,

I am trying to build a couple of the PRR F23 flats and cannot workout
how the
brake gear is fitted to the car. Does any one have a photo of the
underside of a completed
model they could either post in the photo album or e-mail to me.

Many thanks!

Patrick Grace
Colchester - UK

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Re: What are your recommendations for HO decals for meat reefers?

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Charlie, while Clover House does early era stuff, they offer dry transfers for meat reefers suitable for the 50's. I have used
their sets for Decker (gone by the 50's) Armour and Swift cars. And don't forget Sunshine Models offers a line of meat reefers
suitable for the 50's and may have the decals available separately.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: PRR F22/F23

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Patrick.
I have the drawings for the car as it is a current "O" scale brass model
project.
What scale are you building in?

Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
www.richyodermodels.com


est 1999

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Subject: [STMFC] PRR F22/F23

Guys,

I am trying to build a couple of the PRR F23 flats and cannot workout
how the
brake gear is fitted to the car. Does any one have a photo of the
underside of a completed
model they could either post in the photo album or e-mail to me.

Many thanks!

Patrick Grace
Colchester - UK




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Re: weapons

randyhees <hees@...>
 

Somewhat off topic, but while traveling in Mexico some years ago, I once was offered a chance to try bull fighting... I accepted, probably fueled by too much tequila. I was the second to try. The bull took took the cape away and hooked the guy before me down low, near where the solder landed per a previous conversation (leaving a world class bruise)

Having seen that (but being too stupid to back out) I, after losing the cape to the bull chose to grab his horns and twist him to the ground on his back, grabbing his legs and claiming victory... it was an ugly but successful solution.

We are better off building model freight cars...

Randy Hees

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:
As for me, I think I shall switch to a much safer hobby such as bull-fighting.

Gene Green


Re: Santa Fe "Sand Car"

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Marty Quaas, formerly of Riverside, CA and now of Alaska, took a
picture of the sand car on the link below in May 1964 in Corona,
CA. The caption reads, "This car labeled "ENGINE SAND" was just
west of the Santa Fe's Corona depot."

The image is from Jim Lancaster's citrus packing house website
(http://ljames1.home.netcom.com/scph.html)

Here is the link:

http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/ph/scph/
corona_sandcar_5-31-64_01_mq.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/cbjnhx

Can anyone identify the origins of this car?


















It's a former Santa Fe Tk-C, Tk-D, Tk-E, or Tk-F tank car, built in
1901-1904 with wood underframes and later rebuilt with steel
underframes. After WW II, a number of these cars were converted into
sand cars with domes removed and hatches added to the top of the tank.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



Stephan,



I couldn't get St. Thomas out of my brain to save me.  The Canadian Div had special inside arrangements in their cabooses for conductors and I believe special ladders, rails, etc. on their locomotives and tenders.   St. Thomas was agress in getting the early refurbishing and repainting work.  The Wyoming shops seem to do special equipped cars for auto parts.  Is that PM/C&O photo collection available up in your parts?



I almost didn't post the message . . . because of my brain-f#$%@*.  Getting old is tough.



Al Kresse
Al: What's the PM/C&O photo collection you refer to? It sounds interesting. There have been a few books done by the British Railway Modellers of North America (Some handle) of Pere Marquette and other roads (Wabash and NYC/MC/CASO) through St Thomas and a couple of books of those same roads through Niagara but by and large Canadian modellers seem either unaware or uninterested in them. It's seems a shame to me because they were a very interesting part of railroading in this country. I've posted a couple pictures of St Thomas cars in a folder called King Street Cars and the Speedwitch PM car is waiting for me in the basement. I just need to summon up the energy to get it built. You're right, getting old is not for the faint of heart.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: Pot Yard, 1925

Jack Mullen
 

Andy Carlson asked:

Where is the NP boxcar?????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

It's in Proviso.

Jack


Santa Fe "Sand Car"

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Marty Quaas, formerly of Riverside, CA and now of Alaska, took a picture of the sand car on the link below in May 1964 in Corona, CA. The caption reads, "This car labeled "ENGINE SAND" was just west of the Santa Fe's Corona depot."

The image is from Jim Lancaster's citrus packing house website (http://ljames1.home.netcom.com/scph.html)

Here is the link:

http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/ph/scph/corona_sandcar_5-31-64_01_mq.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/cbjnhx

Can anyone identify the origins of this car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, Ca


Re: C.D.L.X. Historical Info.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:49 AM, gledhilldan wrote:
You mention that you have some twenty photos of their leased tank
cars would you mind listing the Companies involved.I realize some
of their tanks were moving wine,but did they not lease more to oil
companies?





Most of the cars just had CDLX reporting marks and numbers. Only
three of the photos show stenciling for lessees. One is the
relatively well known W. C. Whittaker shot of an STC ARA III painted
aluminum and stenciled for Fruit Industries Ltd. wines. The other
two are an insulated GATC Type 30 and a non-insulated STC car in
asphalt service and stenciled for the Western Asphalt Co. of Santa
Maria.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

water.kresse@...
 

Stephan,



I couldn't get St. Thomas out of my brain to save me.  The Canadian Div had special inside arrangements in their cabooses for conductors and I believe special ladders, rails, etc. on their locomotives and tenders.   St. Thomas was agress in getting the early refurbishing and repainting work.  The Wyoming shops seem to do special equipped cars for auto parts.  Is that PM/C&O photo collection available up in your parts?



I almost didn't post the message . . . because of my brain-f#$%@*.  Getting old is tough.



Al Kresse

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:


Al: Not to be a wise guy (OK maybe a little bit) south of Toronto is Lake Ontario. The PM shops were in St Thomas about 120 miles southwest of here. Those cars were built in Canada and were in general revenue service. They're mentioned in Richard's excellent book on single sheathed boxcars.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse


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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:


Al: Not to be a wise guy (OK maybe a little bit) south of Toronto is Lake Ontario. The PM shops were in St Thomas about 120 miles southwest of here. Those cars were built in Canada and were in general revenue service. They're mentioned in Richard's excellent book on single sheathed boxcars.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



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Focus on Freight Cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

I purchased a copy of Richard Hendrickson's excellent volume on Single Sheathed Box and Automobile Cars and then in a senior moment bought a second copy. If anyone wants a copy for less than list, make me an offer.
______________
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Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

water.kresse@...
 

Guys,



Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson


C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

Eric Hansmann
 

Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian manufacturing plants?

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.
and Chagrin Falls, Ohio


PRR F22/F23

pgrace
 

Guys,

I am trying to build a couple of the PRR F23 flats and cannot workout how the
brake gear is fitted to the car. Does any one have a photo of the underside of a completed
model they could either post in the photo album or e-mail to me.

Many thanks!

Patrick Grace
Colchester - UK




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Re: What are your recommendations for HO decals for meat reefers?

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianehni" <behni@...> wrote:

Be very careful when ordering from Clover House. These are very nice dry transfers, but many of his decals are much too old for the era Charlie specified. Russ has marked his decals with the approximate dates of service, so make sure you get ones that are the right age.

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@..., "sparachuk" <sparachuk@> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Duckworth" <trduck@> wrote:

I'm probably the last guy on this list to have bought Gene Green's excellent color book on ice reefers. Are there 'good' sources for decals covering the private meat companies around - I model 1954?

Thanks - Charlie
Charlie: One source for a lot of reefer decals is Clover House. They're dry transfers but you can put them on decal paper. Download their catalogue, because it takes too long to read it online. I've got Gene's book and it's a good one.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto
Charlie: Brian makes a good point about those decals although you can match the illustrations to the photos in Gene's book. There's also a set from Microscale 87-890 that has a few usable lettering combos. Some are a bit weird but some are good and there are lots of dimensional numbers and so on with black backgrounds. Mark Vaughan has some URTX sets as well, for M&StL. I used the URTX lettering plus a small CGW herald to make a car for a friend who was a CGW fan.
That car is in the book too.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: The more things change...

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

...Also on the same page was an ad for
Dennis Storzek Modelmaker with someone (Dennis) bending a kit of his Soo
Sawtooth boxcar in a twist to show the resin wasn't brittle. These kits have
been updated and are still available...

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Well, as long as we're reminiscing... No, those weren't my fingers in the ad, Fred Hamilton (MR's Advertising manager at the time) had the photography done, and since he didn't have the fingers sign a photo release... Actually, I was flat on my back in the hospital with pneumonia when I dreamt up that ad, pneumonia I contracted at the old Model Railroad Industry Association national show in Omaha, where the show was three blocks from the hotel and it was pouring rain one night when the show closed. That was the last of MRIA's "little city" shows; the next year they threw their lot in with RCTHA (the RC industry trade association) to co-sponsor the show at Rosemont (Chicago area.) The ad was intended to counteract what I perceived as being a major obstacle to expanding sales of resin kits; the perception that ALL resin was as brittle and hard to work with as the polyester resin that was common at that time.

Interestingly, even as that ad was in the works, my focus was changing. At that show I was looking for replacements for the CalScale brake equipment I was buying for the kits, since CalScale was in the process of being sold. I was trying to get Grandt Line to tool standard gauge sets (at the time their only brake equipment was a K set with an 8" x 12" narrow gauge cylinder) which happened to be correct for my caboose kit, but nothing else. Dave Grandt wanted some figures on what I expected to order, and after I got out of the hospital, compiling my sales figures revealed just how small the market for resin kits was. I was making more different kits, but my total sales weren't going up. That was an eye opener.

Even before I ended up in the hospital, on the long drive back to Chicago from Omaha, Bob Walker, who as Walker Model Service supplied my white metal parts, and I were discussing other ways to approach the model railroad supply business, and we decided to explore buying a pad-printer. The predecessor to Accurail, Accurate Finishing, was incorporated in December of 1986, between the time I ordered that ad and when it went to print.

Lots of changes, for both me, and the hobby at large.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: What are your recommendations for HO decals for meat reefers?

brianehni <behni@...>
 

Be very careful when ordering from Clover House. These are very nice dry transfers, but many of his decals are much too old for the era Charlie specified. Russ has marked his decals with the approximate dates of service, so make sure you get ones that are the right age.

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@..., "sparachuk" <sparachuk@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Duckworth" <trduck@> wrote:

I'm probably the last guy on this list to have bought Gene Green's excellent color book on ice reefers. Are there 'good' sources for decals covering the private meat companies around - I model 1954?

Thanks - Charlie
Charlie: One source for a lot of reefer decals is Clover House. They're dry transfers but you can put them on decal paper. Download their catalogue, because it takes too long to read it online. I've got Gene's book and it's a good one.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto

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