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Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

John Riddell <jriddell@...>
 

Eric,

PM 88000-88349 -- 350 auto cars were built in 1926 by National Steel Car in Hamilton, Ontario for use by the Canadian Division of the PM, that ran across southern Ontario from Windsor to Niagara Falls, with car shops in St Thomas, Ontario. The cars were ordered from a Canadian builder to avoid import duties. They had vertical brake shaft and T-section trucks. They were stencilled in several locations on side and ends CANADIAN DIV. Later after the C&O acquired the PM, the cars were relettered for the C&O again with the CANADIAN DIV. stencilling. The excellent new Speedwitch kit includes the decals for CANADIAN DIV.
A year later in 1927 Pressed Steel Car built 1,000 almost identical cars, PM 88350-89349, for the PM in the US.. These had Ajax power hand brakes and Dalman trucks.

John Riddell


Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

water.kresse@...
 

Stephan,



I was referring to the Jim Parker collection (ef Jim Parker no. 146) referenced in the posted fallen flags site.  I believe the Million/Paton   PM REvenue Freight Cars book talks a little about these refurbished cars.



Al

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Al: Not to be a wise guy (OK maybe a little bit) south of Toronto is Lake Ontario. The PM shops were in St Thomas about 120 miles southwest of here. Those cars were built in Canada and were in general revenue service. They're mentioned in Richard's excellent book on single sheathed boxcars.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse


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Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Vesuvius box car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Scott;



That's interesting! I had a similar impression, based on several series' of
P&LE cars that looked like an upgraded '37AAR in some respects. I hope
others have had additional observations!



BTW, if I remember correctly, you had built a Sunshine C&O gon that you
brought to one of the meets I wanted to ask you about recently. What scheme
did you do your car in, and what years did that lettering apply to?



Regards,



Elden Gatwood







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Pitzer
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Vesuvius box car



I don't have the book handy, but I remember thinking that the car shown had
peculiarities I associate with Pittsburgh and Lake Erie.
Scott Pitzer
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

List;



Does anyone on the list know anything about the box cars owned by Vesuvius
Crucible, of Swissvale, PA? The photo shown in Classic Freight Cars is
interesting, but confuses me as far as the car's heritage goes. Were they
second-hand cars?


Re: What are your recommendations for HO decals for meat reefers?

mforsyth127
 

Charlie,
 
Personally, I'm vexed by "Reefer Madness", and am on a quest to build many that moved on the Erie in the early 50's.
 
Some of the suggestions given a very good. Might I also add Oddball decals as a potential source. I model in "O" scale, but Oddball will make any set they offer in a variety of scales...AND THEY HAVE REEFERS!!! You'll need to look through his online list, to see what interests you. I ordered a few months ago, and his service is prompt, and pricing is good.
 
http://www.oddballsdecals.org/
 
Champ still makes the decals for Kingan's, ART, Morell, Swift, MDT/NRC, etc.
 
Microscale also offers a slew of reefer decals..
 
http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=REEFER
 
Matt Forsyth
 
Modeling the DL&W, Erie, PRR, NYC
and LV, in "O" Scale, Elmira, NY 1951




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Re: What are your recommendations for HO decals for meat reefers?

golden1014
 

Group,

The Sunshine decals are all available separately. I order decals from Sunshine now and then. I write a letter explaining exactly what I want, and send a check for $6.00 for each set. Then I wait. Sometimes I have to wait for 60 days, and sometimes--as was the case the last time I ordered decals--I wait nine months.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote:

Charlie, while Clover House does early era stuff, they offer dry transfers for meat reefers suitable for the 50's. I have used
their sets for Decker (gone by the 50's) Armour and Swift cars. And don't forget Sunshine Models offers a line of meat reefers
suitable for the 50's and may have the decals available separately.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Vesuvius box car

Scott Pitzer
 

I don't have the book handy, but I remember thinking that the car shown had peculiarities I associate with Pittsburgh and Lake Erie.
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

List;



Does anyone on the list know anything about the box cars owned by Vesuvius
Crucible, of Swissvale, PA? The photo shown in Classic Freight Cars is
interesting, but confuses me as far as the car's heritage goes. Were they
second-hand cars?


Re: Vesuvius box car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

List;



Does anyone on the list know anything about the box cars owned by Vesuvius
Crucible, of Swissvale, PA? The photo shown in Classic Freight Cars is
interesting, but confuses me as far as the car's heritage goes. Were they
second-hand cars? When did they first come out in Vesuvius paint? What are
the key features of the car(s)?



Thanks!



Elden Gatwood



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Re: PRR F22/F23

pgrace
 

Hi Rich,

HO

Patrick

Richard Yoder wrote:

Hi Patrick.
I have the drawings for the car as it is a current "O" scale brass model
project.
What scale are you building in?

Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
www.richyodermodels.com

est 1999

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Subject: [STMFC] PRR F22/F23

Guys,

I am trying to build a couple of the PRR F23 flats and cannot workout
how the
brake gear is fitted to the car. Does any one have a photo of the
underside of a completed
model they could either post in the photo album or e-mail to me.

Many thanks!

Patrick Grace
Colchester - UK

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Re: What are your recommendations for HO decals for meat reefers?

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Charlie, while Clover House does early era stuff, they offer dry transfers for meat reefers suitable for the 50's. I have used
their sets for Decker (gone by the 50's) Armour and Swift cars. And don't forget Sunshine Models offers a line of meat reefers
suitable for the 50's and may have the decals available separately.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: PRR F22/F23

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Patrick.
I have the drawings for the car as it is a current "O" scale brass model
project.
What scale are you building in?

Sincerely,
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
Call between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST
www.richyodermodels.com


est 1999

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Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] PRR F22/F23

Guys,

I am trying to build a couple of the PRR F23 flats and cannot workout
how the
brake gear is fitted to the car. Does any one have a photo of the
underside of a completed
model they could either post in the photo album or e-mail to me.

Many thanks!

Patrick Grace
Colchester - UK




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Re: weapons

randyhees <hees@...>
 

Somewhat off topic, but while traveling in Mexico some years ago, I once was offered a chance to try bull fighting... I accepted, probably fueled by too much tequila. I was the second to try. The bull took took the cape away and hooked the guy before me down low, near where the solder landed per a previous conversation (leaving a world class bruise)

Having seen that (but being too stupid to back out) I, after losing the cape to the bull chose to grab his horns and twist him to the ground on his back, grabbing his legs and claiming victory... it was an ugly but successful solution.

We are better off building model freight cars...

Randy Hees

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As for me, I think I shall switch to a much safer hobby such as bull-fighting.

Gene Green


Re: Santa Fe "Sand Car"

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Marty Quaas, formerly of Riverside, CA and now of Alaska, took a
picture of the sand car on the link below in May 1964 in Corona,
CA. The caption reads, "This car labeled "ENGINE SAND" was just
west of the Santa Fe's Corona depot."

The image is from Jim Lancaster's citrus packing house website
(http://ljames1.home.netcom.com/scph.html)

Here is the link:

http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/ph/scph/
corona_sandcar_5-31-64_01_mq.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/cbjnhx

Can anyone identify the origins of this car?


















It's a former Santa Fe Tk-C, Tk-D, Tk-E, or Tk-F tank car, built in
1901-1904 with wood underframes and later rebuilt with steel
underframes. After WW II, a number of these cars were converted into
sand cars with domes removed and hatches added to the top of the tank.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



Stephan,



I couldn't get St. Thomas out of my brain to save me.  The Canadian Div had special inside arrangements in their cabooses for conductors and I believe special ladders, rails, etc. on their locomotives and tenders.   St. Thomas was agress in getting the early refurbishing and repainting work.  The Wyoming shops seem to do special equipped cars for auto parts.  Is that PM/C&O photo collection available up in your parts?



I almost didn't post the message . . . because of my brain-f#$%@*.  Getting old is tough.



Al Kresse
Al: What's the PM/C&O photo collection you refer to? It sounds interesting. There have been a few books done by the British Railway Modellers of North America (Some handle) of Pere Marquette and other roads (Wabash and NYC/MC/CASO) through St Thomas and a couple of books of those same roads through Niagara but by and large Canadian modellers seem either unaware or uninterested in them. It's seems a shame to me because they were a very interesting part of railroading in this country. I've posted a couple pictures of St Thomas cars in a folder called King Street Cars and the Speedwitch PM car is waiting for me in the basement. I just need to summon up the energy to get it built. You're right, getting old is not for the faint of heart.

Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Re: Pot Yard, 1925

Jack Mullen
 

Andy Carlson asked:

Where is the NP boxcar?????
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

It's in Proviso.

Jack


Santa Fe "Sand Car"

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Marty Quaas, formerly of Riverside, CA and now of Alaska, took a picture of the sand car on the link below in May 1964 in Corona, CA. The caption reads, "This car labeled "ENGINE SAND" was just west of the Santa Fe's Corona depot."

The image is from Jim Lancaster's citrus packing house website (http://ljames1.home.netcom.com/scph.html)

Here is the link:

http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/ph/scph/corona_sandcar_5-31-64_01_mq.jpg

or

http://tinyurl.com/cbjnhx

Can anyone identify the origins of this car?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, Ca


Re: C.D.L.X. Historical Info.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:49 AM, gledhilldan wrote:
You mention that you have some twenty photos of their leased tank
cars would you mind listing the Companies involved.I realize some
of their tanks were moving wine,but did they not lease more to oil
companies?





Most of the cars just had CDLX reporting marks and numbers. Only
three of the photos show stenciling for lessees. One is the
relatively well known W. C. Whittaker shot of an STC ARA III painted
aluminum and stenciled for Fruit Industries Ltd. wines. The other
two are an insulated GATC Type 30 and a non-insulated STC car in
asphalt service and stenciled for the Western Asphalt Co. of Santa
Maria.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

water.kresse@...
 

Stephan,



I couldn't get St. Thomas out of my brain to save me.  The Canadian Div had special inside arrangements in their cabooses for conductors and I believe special ladders, rails, etc. on their locomotives and tenders.   St. Thomas was agress in getting the early refurbishing and repainting work.  The Wyoming shops seem to do special equipped cars for auto parts.  Is that PM/C&O photo collection available up in your parts?



I almost didn't post the message . . . because of my brain-f#$%@*.  Getting old is tough.



Al Kresse

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Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 8:50:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:


Al: Not to be a wise guy (OK maybe a little bit) south of Toronto is Lake Ontario. The PM shops were in St Thomas about 120 miles southwest of here. Those cars were built in Canada and were in general revenue service. They're mentioned in Richard's excellent book on single sheathed boxcars.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse


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From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

sparachuk <sparachuk@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:


Al: Not to be a wise guy (OK maybe a little bit) south of Toronto is Lake Ontario. The PM shops were in St Thomas about 120 miles southwest of here. Those cars were built in Canada and were in general revenue service. They're mentioned in Richard's excellent book on single sheathed boxcars.
Stephan Parachuk
Toronto


Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



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Focus on Freight Cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

I purchased a copy of Richard Hendrickson's excellent volume on Single Sheathed Box and Automobile Cars and then in a senior moment bought a second copy. If anyone wants a copy for less than list, make me an offer.
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Re: C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

water.kresse@...
 

Guys,



Note the secondary (smaller) door have been fixed.   So they are just "house" cars or maybe "auto-parts" cars.  The Canadian Division marked cars were allowed to roam off the mainline I believe (guessing).  The PM did have a Canadian Division.  Their shops south of Toronto repainted these cars right after the merger before the C&O for Progress mono went into affect . . . . supposedly these shops did a fantastic refurbishing and repainting job trying to impress the boys down south.  Apparently there were some unique work rule related tweaks to hardware needed to go off mainline. 



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 4:49:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O single-sheathed 288xxx series auto box car

On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Here's an interesting C&O single-sheathed auto box car image on  
Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co288054jpb.jpg

This is a former Pere Marquette car that Speedwitch is producing as  
an HO scale resin kit.

I can't read the door lettering, but it is interesting to note the  
small lettering above Chesapeake to the right of the doors. It  
seems to read "Canadian Div". Were these marked for tax/customs  
purposes for cars in a pool service between US and Canadian  
manufacturing plants?













Eric, the door stenciling reads "SINGLE DOOR RETURN TO CANADIAN DIV.  
C&O RY. WHEN EMPTY".

Richard Hendrickson



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