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Re: MP Composite Gondola

Charles Morrill
 

Jace,
I checked my old decal Champ and Walthers diagrams. MP 7126 is the Champ MP gondola lettering set. So doubt any real prototype info was used in building this model. The car sounds like it will be a good candidate for updating to present day modeling standards.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Kahn" <harumd@...>
To: <stmfc@...>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] MP Composite Gondola



At the recent Chicago O scale show I picked up a couple of really well-built cars, probably from
the 1950's, a Borden (Chicago) milk car with full underbody detail and a MP composite gondola.
It is lettered for MP (rather than a subsidiary) and numbered #7126, with a builders date of 1924.
Assuming the model builder was working from prototype data (the level of workmanship argues
for such care), there is one obvious discrepancy: there are no hand-grabs or ladders on the car
ends. This is a standard 40' or so car, not a mill gondola with drop ends.
I went to my 1934 ORER and found no cars with four-digit road numbers, so could there have
been a renumbering in the previous decade? There were #7000 series steel-underframe gondolas
listed (although apparently drop-bottom ones, which this model does not represent).
Can any MP gurus out there cast light on what is going on? By 1924, I'd have thought ICC rules
would have mandated grabirons or ladders on car ends.


Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.





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Re: Wabash hand brake

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I was sirprised that that big old hand wheel on the car in the photo with the Sunshine mini-kit instruction was not in RP Cyc 10 the air brake issue.
Clark Propst


Re: MP Composite Gondola

jerryglow2
 

I have a diagram book showing 2 types of composite gondolas: a USRA one and one with bracing in all panels. Unfortunately they do not show or state safety appliances but all had 5 digit numbers with no notations of renumbering.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Justin Kahn <harumd@...> wrote:


At the recent Chicago O scale show I picked up a couple of really well-built cars, probably from
the 1950's, a Borden (Chicago) milk car with full underbody detail and a MP composite gondola.
It is lettered for MP (rather than a subsidiary) and numbered #7126, with a builders date of 1924.
Assuming the model builder was working from prototype data (the level of workmanship argues
for such care), there is one obvious discrepancy: there are no hand-grabs or ladders on the car
ends. This is a standard 40' or so car, not a mill gondola with drop ends.
I went to my 1934 ORER and found no cars with four-digit road numbers, so could there have
been a renumbering in the previous decade? There were #7000 series steel-underframe gondolas
listed (although apparently drop-bottom ones, which this model does not represent).
Can any MP gurus out there cast light on what is going on? By 1924, I'd have thought ICC rules
would have mandated grabirons or ladders on car ends.


Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.





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Re: The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler

jerryglow2
 

I really appreate the e-mags including SCL Modeler. I like your offering it in hi-res - it was only a 2 min D/L on my Comcast connection and it extra definition is sppreciated esp since my club is now working with the local Historical Society to build a layout for them and we need historical data.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,
 
The latest edition of The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler is uploaded on the ACL & SAL Historical Society website and is ready for your viewing.  You can access the SCL Modeler site at:
 
http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/index.htm
 
We're trying something a little different this time by making available for download a low-res version (~35 megs) and a higher-res version (~70 megs).  Let us know if you like the option.
 
Naturally, as soon as this latest magazine was uploaded, I found a half dozen typos. After two weeks of editing they still seem to appear out of nowhere. Please forgive my mistakes--I'll fix them and post a corrected copy in a few weeks. 
 
For those of you who are interested in purchasing a CD with all the issues of the SCL Modeler from the society, we are providing the full-res versions (~75 megs ea.) on the CDs so you can best view documents in From the Archives.
 
As always, we appreciate your positive, constructive comments to make our product better. And if you have any model photos or article ideas, we'd love to hear from you at Golden1014@...
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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MP Composite Gondola

Justin Kahn
 

At the recent Chicago O scale show I picked up a couple of really well-built cars, probably from
the 1950's, a Borden (Chicago) milk car with full underbody detail and a MP composite gondola.
It is lettered for MP (rather than a subsidiary) and numbered #7126, with a builders date of 1924.
Assuming the model builder was working from prototype data (the level of workmanship argues
for such care), there is one obvious discrepancy: there are no hand-grabs or ladders on the car
ends. This is a standard 40' or so car, not a mill gondola with drop ends.
I went to my 1934 ORER and found no cars with four-digit road numbers, so could there have
been a renumbering in the previous decade? There were #7000 series steel-underframe gondolas
listed (although apparently drop-bottom ones, which this model does not represent).
Can any MP gurus out there cast light on what is going on? By 1924, I'd have thought ICC rules
would have mandated grabirons or ladders on car ends.


Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.





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helium tank car

John Riba
 

Hello Everyone,

The brake system on the helium car looks like a passenger car type. The universal valve might be out of sight behind the brake cylinder.

John Riba


The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
The latest edition of The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler is uploaded on the ACL & SAL Historical Society website and is ready for your viewing.  You can access the SCL Modeler site at:
 
http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/index.htm
 
We're trying something a little different this time by making available for download a low-res version (~35 megs) and a higher-res version (~70 megs).  Let us know if you like the option.
 
Naturally, as soon as this latest magazine was uploaded, I found a half dozen typos. After two weeks of editing they still seem to appear out of nowhere. Please forgive my mistakes--I'll fix them and post a corrected copy in a few weeks. 
 
For those of you who are interested in purchasing a CD with all the issues of the SCL Modeler from the society, we are providing the full-res versions (~75 megs ea.) on the CDs so you can best view documents in From the Archives.
 
As always, we appreciate your positive, constructive comments to make our product better. And if you have any model photos or article ideas, we'd love to hear from you at Golden1014@....
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: Wabash hand brake

Paul Lyons
 

Gene,

I am going to see Ted the week after next and I will broach the subject again with him. However, when he has time, I know his brake wheel focus has been on?producing a Klasing wheel. I suspect?most folks?on this list would think that is the right priority. I know, as an SP modeler, I sure do!?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:05 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash hand brake






Paul,
If it is the hand wheel I have in mind you might mention to Ted that I have a copy of the Miner blueprint for that hand wheel.

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso

--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@... wrote:

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Wabash hand brake

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Paul,
If it is the hand wheel I have in mind you might mention to Ted that I have a copy of the Miner blueprint for that hand wheel.

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso

--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@... wrote:

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Nice photo of USNX 1001 helium car

Bruce Smith
 

On Thu, March 26, 2009 5:32 pm, Richard Brennan wrote:
Bruce

I took the information from Jay's clinic handout... which is very
thorough.
He would be the best source to verify dates... (...and he used to be on
STMFC)
To me it looks like build and re-weigh may be the same: 10-26.
Certainly a possibility. I think I have heard of cars that were stenciled
with a scale station instead of NEW when built, but it was pretty darn
rare <G>!

I believe the brakes are a dual system to deal with the heavy car...
hence also the clasp brake trucks.
These would be pre-AB... which came in '29 and was not AAR-adopted until
1934.
I thought that they were too early for AB, but that reservoir looked
interesting. The later cars with more tanks certainly had dual brakes,
but this car is a 70 ton car and in 1926 there were plenty of those
without dual brakes.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Wabash hand brake

Peter Ness
 

Hi Clark,
While I'm not familiar with the brake wheel you're describing, I can't help but wonder; if it's about as big as you say, is it possible an S scale detail part might be workable for that 3' diameter? Or perhaps the wheel spokes and shortened and a new wire rim?

Regards,
Peter

--- In STMFC@..., "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

While I haven't read the rest of the replies. I was thinking along those lines while on my 'cool off' walk.
Clark Propst


Re: Nice photo of USNX 1001 helium car

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Bruce

I took the information from Jay's clinic handout... which is very thorough.
He would be the best source to verify dates... (...and he used to be on STMFC)
To me it looks like build and re-weigh may be the same: 10-26.

I believe the brakes are a dual system to deal with the heavy car... hence also the clasp brake trucks.
These would be pre-AB... which came in '29 and was not AAR-adopted until 1934.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 08:14 PM 3/25/2009, Bruce Smith wrote:
On Wed, March 25, 2009 9:38 pm, Richard Brennan wrote:

Excellent! direct photo link:
http://ww2usvisors.dreamhosters.com/FO124.jpg

per Jay Miller's clinic: This was a Bethlehem Steel Company car - built
1926.
Are you sure about the build date? It looks like it was reweighed 10/26.
And, are those AB brakes?


Re: Wabash hand brake

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

While I haven't read the rest of the replies. I was thinking along those lines while on my 'cool off' walk.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Clark;



Because tooling that handbrake would be incredibly time intensive (ask Kadee
how long it took them to do their wheels), and not that many cars had that
wheel. I have gotten the same response on requests for an early Peacock or
any Klasing wheel.



Since a significant portion of all freight cars got their hand brake wheels
broken at some point, take a Miner housing and put a replacement Miner wheel
on it and tell people (in the unlikely event that anyone would ask) that it
needed a replacement! You can even put a freshly-painted wheel on a highly
weathered car, so they DO ask...



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
rockroll50401
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash hand brake



Next question:
Why would you put out a kit without one of the most recognizable components?
I have spent time and money on a kit that I can't finish!
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , cobrapsl@
wrote:

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have
seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I
have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:06 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hand brake






I'm assembling the Wabash steel rebuild mini-kit Sunshine put out a few
years ago using the Tichy steel rebuilt car.

The only photos of the B end I have are the one in the instructions and a
very poor Sidney Wheeler snap shot. Both have some unusual hand brake. The
hand wheel appears to be about 3' in diameter! Did they put any hand brakes
on these cars at are available in HO scale?

Thanks for any help with this,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa










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Re: Wabash hand brake

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Clark,

I have a few photos of the cars in question showing later
Miner hand wheels (D-3279 or D-3384) which had replaced the
early wheel. So you can use the Miner hand brake with the
later wheel.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@... wrote:

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:06 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hand brake






I'm assembling the Wabash steel rebuild mini-kit Sunshine put out a few years ago using the Tichy steel rebuilt car.

The only photos of the B end I have are the one in the instructions and a very poor Sidney Wheeler snap shot. Both have some unusual hand brake. The hand wheel appears to be about 3' in diameter! Did they put any hand brakes on these cars at are available in HO scale?

Thanks for any help with this,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa












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asychis@...
 

FYI

The Amarillo Railroad Museum has just received (yesterday) a limited run of
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DF loader markings. Six road numbers, two reweigh dates. Ready to run. For
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Thanks,

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Re: Wabash hand brake

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Clark;



Because tooling that handbrake would be incredibly time intensive (ask Kadee
how long it took them to do their wheels), and not that many cars had that
wheel. I have gotten the same response on requests for an early Peacock or
any Klasing wheel.



Since a significant portion of all freight cars got their hand brake wheels
broken at some point, take a Miner housing and put a replacement Miner wheel
on it and tell people (in the unlikely event that anyone would ask) that it
needed a replacement! You can even put a freshly-painted wheel on a highly
weathered car, so they DO ask...



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
rockroll50401
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash hand brake



Next question:
Why would you put out a kit without one of the most recognizable components?
I have spent time and money on a kit that I can't finish!
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , cobrapsl@...
wrote:

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have
seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I
have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:06 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hand brake






I'm assembling the Wabash steel rebuild mini-kit Sunshine put out a few
years ago using the Tichy steel rebuilt car.

The only photos of the B end I have are the one in the instructions and a
very poor Sidney Wheeler snap shot. Both have some unusual hand brake. The
hand wheel appears to be about 3' in diameter! Did they put any hand brakes
on these cars at are available in HO scale?

Thanks for any help with this,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa












Re: Wabash hand brake

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Next question:
Why would you put out a kit without one of the most recognizable components?
I have spent time and money on a kit that I can't finish!
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@... wrote:

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:06 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hand brake






I'm assembling the Wabash steel rebuild mini-kit Sunshine put out a few years ago using the Tichy steel rebuilt car.

The only photos of the B end I have are the one in the instructions and a very poor Sidney Wheeler snap shot. Both have some unusual hand brake. The hand wheel appears to be about 3' in diameter! Did they put any hand brakes on these cars at are available in HO scale?

Thanks for any help with this,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa










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Re: Latest issue of the ACL-SCL Modeler

Misc Clark
 

it's not out yet... that link that you deleted goes to the current issue so
you haven't missed anything...
Clark Cone

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:24 AM, <tmolsen@...> wrote:

John Golden,

Somehow in sorting out email, I managed to delete the email that you sent
giving the link for the latest ACL-SCL modeler. Would it possible for you to
send me the link that you provided earlier as it is not yet on the ACL-SCL
website.

Thanks much!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@... <tmolsen%40udel.edu>


Re: The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is a full house

Misc Clark
 

no they didn't, thanks for the heads-up!
reagrds, Clark C

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:35 PM, <tgregmrtn@...> wrote:

Clark,

Did anyone mention to you that we created a Yahoo Group for this year's
Shake N Take clinic on the UP Stock car. It is titled simply that Shake N
Take.

Greg Martin





Re: Wabash hand brake

Paul Lyons
 

Clark,

It is a very early Miner wheel that the Wabash seemed to like, as I have seen it on other cars besides this one. There is no HO detail part for it. I have spoken to Ted Culotta about it, but it is way down his "to do" list.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:06 am
Subject: [STMFC] Wabash hand brake






I'm assembling the Wabash steel rebuild mini-kit Sunshine put out a few years ago using the Tichy steel rebuilt car.

The only photos of the B end I have are the one in the instructions and a very poor Sidney Wheeler snap shot. Both have some unusual hand brake. The hand wheel appears to be about 3' in diameter! Did they put any hand brakes on these cars at are available in HO scale?

Thanks for any help with this,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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