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Re: Mold release...

eabracher@...
 

Jack, spray the glass with drawer slide spray. It is silicon and nothing
much sticks to it.

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Boxcar Cotton Loading

Mike Turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

In the Greenville & Northern archives, there is a document issued by the shortline railroad association specifying the standard loading for a 36ft boxcar. Single deck loading is 27 bales. Double deck loading is 42 bales. IIRC, the date was 1925. That would mean there was quite a pile of bales around a loading or unloading facility. Craig Meyers has an early 20th century photograph of Charleston, SC, showing a half dozen boxcars in a sea of bales.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC 29681


Re: Howard Ameling photos

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I have been in contact with Mr. Ameling over the past few years and he was in the process of sending his negatives to the NKP Society Archives at Cleveland State University. I cannot say that I know where this process is in terms of how much has been moved there but do know that some has.

Bill Welch


Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, the kits include both Wine and Enterprise hardware.

At 3/31/2009 01:11 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Bill,

If I'm not mistaken, Enterprise hardware is included with the P2k war emergency hoppers. Can anyone confirm this? If not, I'll check when I get home tonight. If they are correct, I have several unneeded sets I can send you.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Tim O'Connor
 

Ned

Don is very open to suggestions, and he has greatly expanded
his offerings, but he is NOT a model railroader. If you want
a freight car part, send him some useful drawings, and explain
what the parts are and why modelers would buy them.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/31/2009 12:17 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his factory on April 25.
Victor,

Perhaps you could ask him to do side stakes. If we had side stakes with rivets it would make building and customizing hoppers and gons much easier. It seems like an easy thing to tool (although admittedly sales would be modest at best)

Ned Carey


Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Edwin;



Thanks for all the info on the B&O cars! I appreciate it!



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edwin
C Kirstatter
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:37 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Freight cars equipped with skids & covers.



Maybe the first RR to equip a gondola with a
removable roof was the B&O in 1936.

At that time The B&O converted two of there
O-41 50-ton 49+ foot cars to class O-41A.

They were changed back to O-41s 8-20-42.
Another B&O innovation that was before its time.

There was an article in the Model Craftsman (RMC)
magazine of November 1940 about these cars with
one picture and a sketch of the Detachable Car
Roof Details. This made it a waterproof seal.

Another invention of John J. Tatum, Assistant
Chief of Motive Power & Equipment of the
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad.

The B&O did not follow up on this until 1957
when they converted some O-63 class 52'-5"
with covers to carry bar steel reclassed O-63E.
25 cars.

And also in 1956-57 they converted some more
O-63s to O-63D by adding corrugated steel covers
to carry coiled steel. 224 cars were converted
at their DuBois, Pa. shops.

And again in 1959 they converted 140 O-65 class
52'-6" gons to class O-65A this time using
Republic Steel Corp. Hoods.

And some more O-65s (50) to O-65C in 1957
using Std. Rwy. Equipt. Co. removeable roofs
for bar steel loading. 70 Ton cars.

And more to O-65D in 1957 (10) using Youngstown
removeable roofs. These were for Tin Plate and
rated at 70 Ton.

And some more in the 60's out of scope for this list.
ECK.
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Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Michael Aufderheide
 

Bill,
 
If I'm not mistaken, Enterprise hardware is included with the P2k war emergency hoppers.  Can anyone confirm this?  If not, I'll check when I get home tonight.  If they are correct, I have several unneeded sets I can send you.
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Mon, 3/30/09, pengrapass <bill_baker@wavecable.com> wrote:

From: pengrapass <bill_baker@wavecable.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 10:01 PM






I am making modifications to a 6-pack of the old Stewart 70-ton triple hopper car kits as I build them using the mid-90's RMJ and MM articles, by Richard Hendrickson and Stafford Swain respectively as guides. I am not going as far as replacing ladders and grab irons as the car bodies are factory painted for T&NO H-70-5 stand-ins. However I am making other modifications consistent with "layout-quality cars". I note that what door operating hardware is present relates to Wine hardware as opposed to the Enterprise hardware used by SP/T&NO. I plan on using 1/16 inch Plastruct channel for the hopper door Enterprise-style cross-beams but I have not found any detail parts to represent the handle/locks. I know I cannot be on the cutting-edge here! What have others done to represent Enterprise hardware? My sincere thanks for any suggestions!

Bill Baker
Port Orchard, WA



















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Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Charlie Vlk
 

When you see Don please remind him to open up the old Dimi-Trains N Scale tooling to find out what the mystery car is that was never run.....
Charlie Vlk

>Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his factory on April 25.

Victor,

Perhaps you could ask him to do side stakes. If we had side stakes with rivets it would make building and customizing hoppers and gons much easier. It seems like an easy thing to tool (although admittedly sales would be modest at best)

Ned Carey
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Bitleris
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware

Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his factory on April 25. He will also open up his "store" to us for special shopping. I can certainly ask him if he would consider selling the USRA Hopper Details. If there is a market for it, I am sure he will be glad to sell them. He sells the frames and details for the tank cars.
Regards Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:29:53 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware

> Tichy makes very nice Enterprise hardware, but I don't know

> if he'll sell you just the detail sprue from the USRA hopper

> car kit.

>

> Tim O'Connor

Most likely. Don's a very cooperative guy. Certainly can't hurt to enquire.

SGL

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Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Garth;



I was initially interested in what folks could relate about the skid & cover
cars, but you bet, I am also interested in the covered gons (i.e., covers
that rested on the sides/ends, rather than on a skid on the floor of the
gon).



No rush, but at some point, any additional info you could provide would be
most appreciated.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Garth
G. Groff
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:49 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers



Elden,

Are you talking about covered gondolas here? If so, between 1957 and
1964 the WP rebuilt 24 of its 6501-class 53' mill gondolas with
removable roofs, and also two of its 9001-class 65' mill gons. I don't
know how many were rebuilt within our STMFC time frame (I lack a
complete run of ORERs for this period), and since I'm at work now I
can't check on what these cars were renumbered to. I can check when I
get back from the Coast in mid-April if needed. The cars were used
between Geneva, Utah, and Pittsburg (note: no "H"), California, in coil
service for U.S. Steel. Information on this operation can be found on my
web site at: http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/steel.html
<http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/steel.html> and
http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html
<http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html> . Color photos and other data
may be found in Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO PASSENGER AND
FREIGHT EQUIPMENT from Morning Sun.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers
for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".

I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!


Elden Gatwood




Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers.

Edwin C Kirstatter <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
 

Maybe the first RR to equip a gondola with a
removable roof was the B&O in 1936.

At that time The B&O converted two of there
O-41 50-ton 49+ foot cars to class O-41A.

They were changed back to O-41s 8-20-42.
Another B&O innovation that was before its time.

There was an article in the Model Craftsman (RMC)
magazine of November 1940 about these cars with
one picture and a sketch of the Detachable Car
Roof Details. This made it a waterproof seal.

Another invention of John J. Tatum, Assistant
Chief of Motive Power & Equipment of the
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad.

The B&O did not follow up on this until 1957
when they converted some O-63 class 52'-5"
with covers to carry bar steel reclassed O-63E.
25 cars.

And also in 1956-57 they converted some more
O-63s to O-63D by adding corrugated steel covers
to carry coiled steel. 224 cars were converted
at their DuBois, Pa. shops.

And again in 1959 they converted 140 O-65 class
52'-6" gons to class O-65A this time using
Republic Steel Corp. Hoods.

And some more O-65s (50) to O-65C in 1957
using Std. Rwy. Equipt. Co. removeable roofs
for bar steel loading. 70 Ton cars.

And more to O-65D in 1957 (10) using Youngstown
removeable roofs. These were for Tin Plate and
rated at 70 Ton.

And some more in the 60's out of scope for this list.
ECK.
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Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his factory on April 25.
Victor,

Perhaps you could ask him to do side stakes. If we had side stakes with rivets it would make building and customizing hoppers and gons much easier. It seems like an easy thing to tool (although admittedly sales would be modest at best)

Ned Carey
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Bitleris
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware



Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his factory on April 25. He will also open up his "store" to us for special shopping. I can certainly ask him if he would consider selling the USRA Hopper Details. If there is a market for it, I am sure he will be glad to sell them. He sells the frames and details for the tank cars.
Regards Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:29:53 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware























> Tichy makes very nice Enterprise hardware, but I don't know

> if he'll sell you just the detail sprue from the USRA hopper

> car kit.

>

> Tim O'Connor



Most likely. Don's a very cooperative guy. Certainly can't hurt to enquire.



SGL



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Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

My past experience with Tichy (and probably others) is that they don't like to sell one or two sprues. I still have a note taped to my computer desk that says less than 200 x$'s and more than 200 x$'s. The very best way is get together with a group and order a lot. That way it makes it worth his time.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
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Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Victor Bitleris
 

Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his factory on April 25. He will also open up his "store" to us for special shopping. I can certainly ask him if he would consider selling the USRA Hopper Details. If there is a market for it, I am sure he will be glad to sell them. He sells the frames and details for the tank cars.
Regards Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:29:53 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware























Tichy makes very nice Enterprise hardware, but I don't know
if he'll sell you just the detail sprue from the USRA hopper
car kit.
Tim O'Connor


Most likely. Don's a very cooperative guy. Certainly can't hurt to enquire.



SGL



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Howard Ameling's New Email Address

Larry Kline
 

I forgot that Yahoo doesn't show the complete email address on the
web. The full address is :

nkp2 (at) verizon (dot) net

Begin forwarded message:

From: Larry Kline <lndkline@verizon.net>
Date: March 31, 2009 9:10:20 AM EDT
To: STMFC list <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Howard Ameling's New Email Address

From the NKP Yahoo group
Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA
-------------------------------------------
Posted by: "John Fryar" nkphts@mac.com nkp2503
Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:17 pm (PDT)

Howard Ameling has asked me to let you know that his new email
address is:

nkp2@verizon.net

Thanks!

John Fryar


Howard Ameling's New Email Address

Larry Kline
 

From the NKP Yahoo group
Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA
-------------------------------------------
Posted by: "John Fryar" nkphts@mac.com nkp2503
Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:17 pm (PDT)

Howard Ameling has asked me to let you know that his new email
address is:

nkp2@verizon.net

Thanks!

John Fryar


Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Charles Hladik
 

Ned,
I think the old Grandt line narrow gauge flat details might work for the
"stakes" you want.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 3/31/2009 12:41:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nedspam@comcast.net writes:




Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his
factory on April 25.

Victor,

Perhaps you could ask him to do side stakes. If we had side stakes with
rivets it would make building and customizing hoppers and gons much easier. It
seems like an easy thing to tool (although admittedly sales would be modest at
best)

Ned Carey
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Bitleris
To: _stmfc@yahoogroups.stm_ (mailto:stmfc@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware

Our (CPD13) division will be going on a tour to see Don Tichy and his
factory on April 25. He will also open up his "store" to us for special shopping. I
can certainly ask him if he would consider selling the USRA Hopper Details.
If there is a market for it, I am sure he will be glad to sell them. He sells
the frames and details for the tank cars.
Regards Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com)
From: _schuyler.larrabee@schuyler.la_ (mailto:schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:29:53 -0400
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Enterprise hopper door hardware

Tichy makes very nice Enterprise hardware, but I don't know
if he'll sell you just the detail sprue from the USRA hopper
car kit.
Tim O'Connor
Most likely. Don's a very cooperative guy. Certainly can't hurt to enquire.

SGL

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Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Elden,

Are you talking about covered gondolas here? If so, between 1957 and 1964 the WP rebuilt 24 of its 6501-class 53' mill gondolas with removable roofs, and also two of its 9001-class 65' mill gons. I don't know how many were rebuilt within our STMFC time frame (I lack a complete run of ORERs for this period), and since I'm at work now I can't check on what these cars were renumbered to. I can check when I get back from the Coast in mid-April if needed. The cars were used between Geneva, Utah, and Pittsburg (note: no "H"), California, in coil service for U.S. Steel. Information on this operation can be found on my web site at: http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/steel.html and http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html . Color photos and other data may be found in Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO PASSENGER AND FREIGHT EQUIPMENT from Morning Sun.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".
I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood




Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;



What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".



I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.



Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.



Thanks!



Elden Gatwood





._,___


Re: CB&Q to IHB 03-28-59

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That also makes sense. I used to see DRGW drop-bottom (maybe former
drop-bottom) gons in the area back in the day.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 8:16 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q to IHB 03-28-59




No, the LG means Loaded Gondola. CK must be a designation
for some place in Chicago, where CB&Q interchanged to IHB.

At 3/30/2009 06:53 PM Monday, you wrote:
That makes sense Tim but Argentine ore was shipped years ago. The loads show
ore LG/CK, would this mean large chunks?
Those hoppers would have been about half full unless they were actual ore
cars.

Mark


Re: Enterprise hopper door hardware

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
And I forgot to add: the T&NO (SP) cars rode on National Type B trucks. Available from Proto 2000.
And in the steam era hardly ever left central Texas. But we can assume Bill Baker is modeling T&NO.

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