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Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

water.kresse@...
 

About the same time as the C&O was experimenting with skid shock absorbers and cover shapes at their Wyoming Shops in Grand Rapids.



Thanks for sharing the images.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 10:42:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie60150adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50154adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50107.jpg

Confirming your ERIE listing.  Not sure of the date when these covers came into use, but my
impression is around '56 or so.

SGL

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:18 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".

I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Re: Wabash Boxcar in Atlanta, IL

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:

Nice display of a grain elevator and single sheathed Wabash boxcar.

http://rypn.sunserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27262


What a super boxcar restoration and display but a double door auto car for shipping grain???? Was this a "common practice"??

Don Valentine


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Brian,

I've ordered both ways and Martin has always been glad to hold my check, eventually cash it, and eventually ship whatever I had ordered.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian J Carlson
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Dumb Sunshine ordering question


This is a dumb question but based on the recent emails regarding sunshine I
want to send an order in now. Since to date I have always bought directly
from Martin at Timonium or Naperville, (Or had others buy me stuff) I
haven't ordered directly. Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

tmolsen@...
 

Brian,

Martin will be at Timonium this weekend (4-4 and 4-5).

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Dumb Sunshine ordering question

tyesac@...
 

Brian,

Both ways have worked for me.? If you specifiy your own list of kits by kit number, be sure to include the car description.? I'd also recommend you list possible substitutions if logically possible.? Then prepare to wait!

Tom Casey


Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@bluemoon.net>
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:10 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Dumb Sunshine ordering question






This is a dumb question but based on the recent emails regarding sunshine I
want to send an order in now. Since to date I have always bought directly
from Martin at Timonium or Naperville, (Or had others buy me stuff) I
haven't ordered directly. Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Dumb Sunshine ordering question

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

This is a dumb question but based on the recent emails regarding sunshine I
want to send an order in now. Since to date I have always bought directly
from Martin at Timonium or Naperville, (Or had others buy me stuff) I
haven't ordered directly. Can I write down the kit numbers I want, with the
new prices and send a check, or do I have to use the info sheets/order forms
collected at various shows and from Jim Hayes' site?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: RMC

Bob McCarthy
 

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Andy Miller <aslmmiller@rcn.com> wrote:

From: Andy Miller <aslmmiller@rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:41 AM






It was on the counter at my LHS today, but I still have not yet received my subscription copy in the mail.

Andy Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC

A. Premo wrote:
Any news on RMC?
It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole
problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I
understand.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: RMC

Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
 

It was on the counter at my LHS today, but I still have not yet received my subscription copy in the mail.

Andy Miller

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


A. Premo wrote:
> Any news on RMC?

It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole
problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I
understand.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RMC

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I talked with Bill Schaumburg yesterday. He is preparing a review for one of my products for a future issue. I also received my courtesy copy of the April issue. - Al Westerfield

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Re: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie60150adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50154adb.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie50107.jpg

Confirming your ERIE listing. Not sure of the date when these covers came into use, but my
impression is around '56 or so.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:18 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com; STEEL@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Freight cars equipped with skids & covers

Folks;

What railroads do you know of that had cars equipped with skids & covers for
coiled steel sheet shipment? I am most interested in cars equipped with
skids & covers, not purpose-built "coil cars".

I do know that NKP, B&O, Erie, P&WV, URR, DT&I, and PRR had their own
versions, and would be very interested in anyone knew of sources for photos
of these cars, also.

Do you know what dates these might have been put on a specific road? I
already know some of the history of their development; I am trying to flesh
out the magnitude of this service being offered by the RRs, and the details
on each car.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

._,___










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Re: Assistance Needed

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "A. Premo" <armprem@> wrote:

I am currently in the process of attempting to build a Rock Island
double sheathed boxcar.The plans are silent as to the location of "Rock
Island".My question is,just where is it supposed to be located?Right or left
of the door.Admittedly,I am not too familiar with the Rock Island Line even
though "it's a mighty fine road.".Armand Premo

On page 34 of "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" by Kline and Culotta there is a photo of RI 157435, a USRA DS boxcar. It has "Rock Island" to the left of the door, above the reporting marks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

water.kresse@...
 

That is correct.  The coils were not even wrapped in paper in many cases.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 9:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Freight cars equipped with  covers.

Al Kresset wrote:
In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden  
skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so) . . . On  
thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . .  
just separated by blocks of wood.
      The thicker gauge material is largely hot-rolled and will  
ordinarily see further processing, thus less concern about scratches,  
dents and rust. Any gauge near final use thickness will be shipped  
with protection.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresset wrote:
In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so) . . . On thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . . just separated by blocks of wood.
The thicker gauge material is largely hot-rolled and will ordinarily see further processing, thus less concern about scratches, dents and rust. Any gauge near final use thickness will be shipped with protection.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RMC

James Fellows
 

April

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Premo
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


April or May ?A.Premo
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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC

> It's out, a friend of mine picked up an issue earlier this week in Ohio.
> I have not seen an issue in New Hampshire yet.
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> Any news on RMC?Armand Premo
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Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

water.kresse@...
 

In the late-50s the C&O started experimenting with gons with wooden skided troughs for smaller steel coils (48" diameter or so).  These had various canvass (yes) and steel covers.  The unions crane operators wouldn't remove and properly stow the cavass covers like todays truck drivers do, so crane removed steel covers became the standard . . . . and they helped to lose more business for the railroads.  On thicker guages they might ship the steel coils less any covers . . . just separated by blocks of wood.



Al Kresse

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From: "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@verizon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:08:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Freight cars equipped with  covers.

From my 1961 ORER (probably also relevant to pre-1961 traffic), some
non-steel, non-tin, GBR/GBSR cargoes:

NYC - GBSR, aluminum billets
SOU - GBSR, aluminum and steel mill products
C&O - GBR, Army tank engines
NKP - GBSR, special loading
ATSF - GBR, AEC material

There were several GBSRs that were used for coils on pallets.

KL


----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Rueter

Besides cut steel sheet/Tin plate, what else is transported in covered gons,
after WWII, in the mid west.
I'm more curious about covered low side gons, that seems to low, for coiled
steel.
(or were coils laid on their sides, eye to the sky)


Re: RMC

armprem
 

Thank you Tony.Armand P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


A. Premo wrote:
Any news on RMC?
It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole
problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I
understand.


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: RMC

armprem
 

April or May ?A.Premo

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RMC


It's out, a friend of mine picked up an issue earlier this week in Ohio. I have not seen an issue in New Hampshire yet.

Jim Fellows
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RMC


Any news on RMC?Armand Premo







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Re: Freight cars equipped with covers.

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

From my 1961 ORER (probably also relevant to pre-1961 traffic), some non-steel, non-tin, GBR/GBSR cargoes:

NYC - GBSR, aluminum billets
SOU - GBSR, aluminum and steel mill products
C&O - GBR, Army tank engines
NKP - GBSR, special loading
ATSF - GBR, AEC material

There were several GBSRs that were used for coils on pallets.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Rueter

Besides cut steel sheet/Tin plate, what else is transported in covered gons,
after WWII, in the mid west.
I'm more curious about covered low side gons, that seems to low, for coiled steel.
(or were coils laid on their sides, eye to the sky)


Re: RMC

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

A. Premo wrote:
Any news on RMC?
It's fine, Armand. I've checked with people at Carstens, whole problem was a one-off, or so they believe. Printing is completed, I understand.


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RMC

James Fellows
 

It's out, a friend of mine picked up an issue earlier this week in Ohio. I have not seen an issue in New Hampshire yet.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Premo
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RMC


Any news on RMC?Armand Premo

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